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| Originally posted by Wyndham can anyone do anything remotely eddie halliwell style.. hes fuckin nuts.. i know how he does it all, just dont have the equipment to try and practice it  Would be cool to hear from anyone thats tried his cd scratching, beat juggling etc??? |
eddie halliwell is beyond amazing.
i checked him out at godskitchen in the uk last year and the guy just TORE the place up... sickening what he did on those cdj's! it's obvious that he just lets things take over as he's up there, totally improvised and on a whim. i was thinkin... if that were recorded and you listened to it on a cd, it just wouldn't be the same. it's definitely something to see live!
some advice to those that're looking for new ways to be creative... mess around, screw up, and try every which combination of things you can think of to come up with things on your own... you'll realize that once you relax and just get comfortable with mixing your tracks, new things will just come to you.
so keep at it! ... just don't overdo the flanger =o/
some shit i ususally do..
i always bring my copy of Sp�cial Scratch 5 to my gigs.. so if i get bored with the song playing, i just chuck in some scratching (be careful with trance tho) or just some vocals, eg. a 2 bar phrase by Snoop Dogg.. people seem to like it even tho its hip hop..
If u want to be totally aweseome, go buy a sampler, and bring along your favourite vocal samples, riffs etc.. a brilliant example is Tidy Vision or Tidy Boys live at Tidy Weekender 2.. Tho its not trance, its pretty sick. they are two people tho, so either bring along a mate, or learn how to do four things at a time (1beatmatch the next song to the one playing, 2beatmatch the vocal/riff sample, 3listen to the playing tune to find a nice place in the tune where it would work great, 4cut/loop whatever u want to do with it) it usually works very well in mid transition..
u can also use cd players for this, tho its a bit more complicated since u will have have everything cued up and shit, and u can only play one loop at a time..
if i do this, i normally just imagine what tempo i will be playing at, let the turntable run with a song i know i will be playing, and just beatmatch every single sample to that tempo, then make sure there are no silence before it starts, and just have auto-que on, on the cd player.. i like to suddenly either turn off the tt, or wait for a nice break where everythings go quiet, and drop something silly.. like the badger badger tune..
btw: heres a clip of what the tidy boys did once.. (recorded live)
its brilliant 
http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...BW171UKN246MOBU
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| Originally posted by dj_alfi btw: heres a clip of what the tidy boys did once.. (recorded live) its brilliant http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...BW171UKN246MOBU |
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| Originally posted by dj_alfi btw: heres a clip of what the tidy boys did once.. (recorded live) its brilliant http://s36.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=...BW171UKN246MOBU |
ok, heres a few tips am gonna try and explain, hope they come in handy;
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Delay Effect;
set the delay to about 1/4 (or what ever you prefer, it'll need to be pretty low though)
set the volume to full on the effect and set the parameter to whatever you prefer.
as the song playing is nearing the end of the breakdown, just before the beat kicks back in, flick the effects fader from dry -> wet & then leave a small delay (about half a second) & switch the phono/line switch over to line (or to the oposite of where the source is coming form) then just as its starting to fade away flick the phono/line switch and the effects fader back just in time for the first kick to start!
it doesnt have to be done at breakdowns, but thats about the best place to practice doin it till you get the hang of it!
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cuttin;
set the brake on deck 2 to low (short stoppin distance)
have song 1 playing & song 2 playing on the other channel (not through the speaker though) [they dont have to be in sync but it would help], and as song 1 is on the last beat at the end of a phase, cut the fader over from channel 1 to channel 2 and stop deck 2 on a beat then switch the crossfader back to channel 1 again for the start of the next phase.
If you have three decks then this can sound crackin by adaptin that ^^^
but when you switch back from channel 2 bring in the third channel along with channel 1.
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power off;
if you have 2 copies of the same record, have one of them playing though the speakers & just coming up to the end of a break down power the deck off and gently bring in copy 2 in time for the beat to start again.
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have 2 copies of the same record playing BUT have one at around half a beat later than the other bring in the second copy at a build up before the breakdown, leave in in through the whole breakdown and power off deck 1 and let deck 2 play on.
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Filters ;
Set the Low Pass Filter's Parameter to 0.
As channel 1 is playing out and you about to mix channel 2 in, put the Dry/Wet fader over to Wet (applied to channel 2) and start fading in channel 2 using the effects parameter's, by bringing it from 0 all the way up to 100 then switchin the wet/dry fader over to dry and the fading out channel 1.
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Do the exact same but using the High Pass Filter, so that it starts off by playing the high sounds and fades he bass and mid sounds in!
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You can do it the oposit way round to fade a song OUT;
set the High Pass Filter to 100.
as song 1 is playing out, start bringing in song 2 with the Eq's (or faders) the start bringing the effects parameter's down from 100 to 0 which will fade out song 1.
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Filtered Echo;
set the Time to 1/2.
set the parameter to 100.
as your coming up to a breakdown slide the Wet/Dry fader to the middle then start bringing the parameter down until you reach about 70ish then slide the fader back to Dry in time for the breakdown.
perfect example of this is leading into the breakdowns on "Teifshwarz - wait & see [Alter Ego Mix]
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Beat Jugling Using Delay;
set the delay effects time to 4.00
set its parameter to 000
Assign the effect to the appropriate channel.
instead of flicking between 2 decks to beat jugle, simply let the part or the sample/song play then switch the effects dry/wet fader from dry -> wet. then while the effects processor is playing the sample reverse the record back to the beginning of the bit you want it to repeat. After the part has reached the end of the part you are repeating switch the effects fader back to dry and release the record at the same time. Keep repeating it and make the swiching between deck & effects a bit quicker each time until you're just looping maybe one ore two words/beats, then let the tune spin 
it takes abit of practice to get it so that the effects processor doesnt repeat the reversing of the record, but after youve practiced it a couple of time its easy!
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ill add some more when ave had a chance to get used to using these effects 
some nice tips there wee_rooney
There are plenty extremely technical DJ's out there. You could always listen to them and hear what they do. It obviously matters what it is you're mixing. Trance would be harder to manipulate, whilst Techno is literally made for it.
Any tips for people that only have tt's like myself?
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| Originally posted by xstalkrx Any tips for people that only have tt's like myself? |
^ thats an interesting way to beat juggle. if im spinning breaks, or there are breaks in a track, ill use the turntablism form of beatjuggling, where you actually backspin a few beats on each TT.. i cant explain it, but just do a quick search for DMC competition beat juggling or somethin like that.
dj craze is the man.
other just TT tricks:
find an acapella/beatless song (eg today i use deep dish - say hello (reprise) and then layer it over tracks (same key!), and then let the track finish with the lyrics playing, and then quickly drop in the original version.
for example, use greece 2000, towards the end layer say hello reprise, and then when the greece 2000 beats end, throw on the house version of say hello, and drop in the bassline at the beginning of a phase. sounds amazing (i did this exact thing in my radio show today, and some other djs at the station went nuts)
there is alot you can do, 3 turntables REALLY opens things up though, you can beatmatch 2 songs, and then really switch tracks around and cut and sample, without a sampler. eg play 1/3 of one track, switch to the breakdown of a different track, and then cut into the breaks section of a third track. ah its so fun!
an effects unit w/sampler is an excellent investment too. a kaoss pad is GREAT because you can alter the way tracks sound in tons of ways with that XY interface.
just get comfortable, practice, and have fun. the creativity will come.
razzi.
http://www.john00fleming.com/john_00_fleming_learn.html
Here are Some Tricks, Explained by Johnn '00' Fleming =)
http://www.i-dj.co.uk/technique/
Here are all kind of techniques, from different artists.
cool site!
Re: Advanced Mixing Techniques: Phasing, Doubeling and Advanced EQ Techniques
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| Originally posted by Scorchio Hi. Ok, So I have been DJing for about 3 years on CDs and vinyls, and I've got to a point where I'm not satisfied with my mixing, I'm already well trained in beatmatching and EQing but I would like to learn how to make my mixing more interesting and creative, switching frequencies doesnt do it to me anymore, and so I would appriciate it allot if some of you could drop your tips about your advanced EQing, Drop Mixing, Phasing and Doubeling as an effect (I saw Derrick Carter do this its awesome!) Thanks in advance. |
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| Originally posted by PutBoy There are plenty extremely technical DJ's out there. You could always listen to them and hear what they do. It obviously matters what it is you're mixing. Trance would be harder to manipulate, whilst Techno is literally made for it. |
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| Originally posted by wee_rooney ok, heres a few tips am gonna try and explain, hope they come in handy............... ..ill add some more when ave had a chance to get used to using these effects |
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| Originally posted by Liam werd up, nuo 5 effect tips! I'll share how i use those same effects a little differently later on. I can't wait to try some of these, thanks wee_rooney! |
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| Originally posted by PutBoy Beatjuggle? There is a cool technique, it's sounds good with breaks and hip-hop and the like anyways. You cue the 1/4 of one track with the 2/4 of the other track, and you X-fade so that the clap is heard every beat. Kind hard to explain. Let's do diagrams: KICK - CLAP - KICK - CLAP < - Tune 1 CLAP - KICK - CLAP - KICK < - Tune 2 Move the X-fade across for every beat. You could get a nice effect. You should only do this a couple of bars though, like a break-down kinda thing. If you have the same tracks playing on both decks, it's... well, try it. Pretty basic though, I guess |
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| Originally posted by Nemesis44 Not beatjuggling but a nice effect. Beatjuggling is much harder and will take a lot of practice. It's basically the creation of a beat using the kick and snare of a record and applying the Fader by using scratch techniques. An example would be taking a standard 4/4 beat and turning it into a hip hop style beat by changing the placement of the kicks. Sounds wicked when done well but not useful for trance DJs. Cheers Nem |
This is very interesting
Spin backs...
What is the correct way to do spinbnacks? I read that on the recess site, but I don't really understand it. When is the correct time to drop one, and how??
I do them with the "live" record, just before the bass kicks in on the the cued track. Turn the gain down on the live track before you do it though!
I will mix in the cued track, starting the first beat at the first bar of the main lead/melody of the live track, then after a phase (32 beats I think?) ill increase the high slightly & reduce the mid of the outgoing (live) track, whilst bringing in the cued track further. Then right at the end of the live track's lead/melody, i'll spin it back quickly then slide the crossfader all the way over onto the cued track just in time for the bass to kick in. Sounds awesome when done correctly, and you have to pick the right records aswell...
A good example is Musique Vs U2 - New Years Dub (Mauro Picotto Mix) into The Green Martian - Industry! Judge Jules did this years ago, I saw it on rapture TV & then practiced it
When mixing the outro with the intro of the incoming song gets a bit stale, do this: match up the end of the outro with the beginning of the climax. You should start to bring in the next record at the beginning of the build up. When nearing the climax, the volume should be around 80%-90%, then go 100% when you reach the climax. The idea isn't original of me, I read it somewhere off the internet.
This thread is pants!
I think we need some input. Nem scratches head... will be right back.
Cheers
Nem
Long time since I posted here
(I haven't mixed for the past month 
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When theres a breakdown/break in a track, and it is building up (cresendo), I like to "scratch" the cued record on every beat of the live track. Adds more to the building/rising effec.
Listening to a lot of Carl Cox and Roger Sanchez mixes helped me with this.
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