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Re: Re: go CD only?

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Go CD. The best decision you'll ever make.

Although I don't own CDJs yet...I have to agree. I've said this a lot on this forum, but I bought 140 records this past two years, at least 10 of them are warped or pretty much worn out due to playing, dust etc. Others are one there way, even though they are kept in locked metal cases, they still collect dust. I could have owned approximately 1,000 MP3s of the songs I liked if AudioJelly was around two years ago when I first got my TTs. Vinyl doesn't last forever, but a CD should last a long time.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 ...there aren't many records stores that sell prog and trance in the Detroit area)

wtf, melody's and memories on gratiot pwned when I was there.




and dont even think about it, sell the two decks and get another 1000. You clearly cannot afford to keep up on vinyl the way you can with digital tracks, so why cripple yourself.


i have the same setup (2 turntables and one cdj) and it blows. I hate going back and forth, you get sick of having so many cool tracks on cd and not so many cool ones on vinyl. Soon though I will have another cdj and all will be good. Luckily I don't have to sacrafice my tables


good luck with it all.

This is why I always tell people not to buy turntables if they can't afford paying for black crack. Go with the CDJs.

True, but situations change. I have a full crate of records that I acquired in about 6 months last year.

Why not ditch one TT and get one more CDJ?
Then you've got the best of both.
Can still play your records and get records of stuff you can't find on legal MP3.

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Originally posted by nrjizer True, but situations change. I have a full crate of records that I acquired in about 6 months last year.

i�m in the same situation, i haven�t bought a record for the past 2 years perhaps, when i ran out of money for vinyls i sold a couple of things and bought a dual denon cd player (2100f), and let me tell you, after spinning with vinyl trying to mix with cds will be really boring!
until now i haven�t realised that, but i haven�t used the cd player for a while so i will sell it and get final scratch or something, and if that doesn�t work then i�ll wait whatever it takes until i can afford new vinyl again...
if you want to use cds and vinyl that�s cool but please don�t sell your beloved techs!
just a personal opinion, other people prefer cds, mp3s,etc... choose what you really like, djing it�s a hobby for me and with cds all the fun was gone...
peace

What I would suggest for anyone is to get CDJs and one turntable as some people have noted. This is something I will probably do next year (get a turntable) so that I can still play records and record them onto my computer, but in the meantime I think the CDJs would be great. It doesn't seem boring to me, maybe to other people, I mean I don't own them yet but in my opinion I will be able to do more with them than I could with my turntables, and I am all about creativity so the more creative I can get, the better. Not saying you can't be creative with turntables, but it just seems like you have more at your disposel with CDJs.

I have the same setup (2 x mk2 + 1 cdj 700S) , personally I am still a fan of my records and will always buy some, even if its one, there is nothing like vinyl. But some of the tracks I can agree that I get tired of, but recently I began selling some records ebay and to my surprise, i sold 9/10 literally, and to give you an idea of what they were "castles in the sky" so i guess whats trash to someone is treasure for someone else. Sell those old records and work up for new ones

Regardless of what you do, if you dont like some of your old tunes you should sell them on ebay or even on the TA forums and buy some new records that you actually like.

I must say I'm a lot more attached to my records than I am to my turntables. You can always buy a turntable later, you may never again be able to find some of your records though.
I'd say try to sit tight for a while though and see if you can save for any cdj you can. If you buy only mp3's for a while, you can still play new tracks, but hopefully put the savings from not buying records towards a new cdj.

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Originally posted by Ryan0751 Would you sell your children? Didn't think so If you can't swing another CDJ-1000, how about a less expensive deck like the CDJ-200? Then you can start downloading fresh music from places like beatport or djdownloads and start fresh.

Yes..you could,black market biotch. But could you buy them back....probably not.


now can you sell your tech's? yes, and could you buy them back, yes.


Children adn Electronics have are a different element of love If you need the cash go for it, and if there is a budget rise then get one back on ebay. i use 2 cdj's and a TT. that TT is enough for me so far, until i get a budget rise ill get another.

start a fresh!!!!!!!!

Im thinking the same, and i think im goign all digital, bottom line is no matter what anyone on this site says, vinyl WILL die with the arival of CD's. It's just a matter of time. Nearly all top DJ's use CD's now, and yea at the moment there arnt to many decent legal mp3 download sites but this will be just a matter of time. I showed a true vinyl whore yesterday the difference between a digital download and a vinyl and he stright away said he wanted CD decks, the quality is so far superior, fuck this "its so warm " crap. It sounds like shit pretty much... At the end of the day its down to you, but the more research i seem to do, the more it points towards CDJ's as the future.

Vinyl is sooooo dead. We have cassette tapes now! Why would anyone continue to use vinyl?

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Originally posted by Unknown DJ Im thinking the same, and i think im goign all digital, bottom line is no matter what anyone on this site says, vinyl WILL die with the arival of CD's. It's just a matter of time. Nearly all top DJ's use CD's now, and yea at the moment there arnt to many decent legal mp3 download sites but this will be just a matter of time. I showed a true vinyl whore yesterday the difference between a digital download and a vinyl and he stright away said he wanted CD decks, the quality is so far superior, fuck this "its so warm " crap. It sounds like shit pretty much... At the end of the day its down to you, but the more research i seem to do, the more it points towards CDJ's as the future.

Might want to try cleaning your vinyl, also if your comparing mp3 to vinyl, I have no idea how you can say mp3 quality is far superior?! If at most I would give it the same, wav audio maybe would be far superior in some circumstances.

On a side note, there is a major discussion going on in the california thread about laptop djing, maybe you guys would like to read or add some input on your opinions, check out the thread here:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=1

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Originally posted by DJ Xtracktor Might want to try cleaning your vinyl, also if your comparing mp3 to vinyl, I have no idea how you can say mp3 quality is far superior?! If at most I would give it the same, wav audio maybe would be far superior in some circumstances. On a side note, there is a major discussion going on in the california thread about laptop djing, maybe you guys would like to read or add some input on your opinions, check out the thread here: http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=1

Well even records from two years ago that i've cleaned, the quality is still poor and has degraded. Sure some of my records have better quality than others, but with MP3s that have 320 Kbps bitrate available for way less than a single record, you've got sound quality that rivals, if not exceeds vinyl. In the future you'll be seeing MP3s (or MP4s even) that have extremely large bitrates (think 576 kbps or above) , the quality will continue to get even better. With vinyl, unless they come up with some new fancy pressing technique or make thicker records that don't get warped as easily, CD/Digital mixing will be the future for a good number of DJs, both for pros and hobbyists like myself. And no cleaning vinyl either! CDs don't attract dust as easily as vinyl and if a CD gets dinged up, you can just burn another one instead of buying a whole new record for 10 bucks!

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Originally posted by Spirit5 Well even records from two years ago that i've cleaned, the quality is still poor and has degraded. Sure some of my records have better quality than others, but with MP3s that have 320 Kbps bitrate available for way less than a single record, you've got sound quality that rivals, if not exceeds vinyl. In the future you'll be seeing MP3s (or MP4s even) that have extremely large bitrates (think 576 kbps or above) , the quality will continue to get even better. With vinyl, unless they come up with some new fancy pressing technique or make thicker records that don't get warped as easily, CD/Digital mixing will be the future for a good number of DJs, both for pros and hobbyists like myself. And no cleaning vinyl either! CDs don't attract dust as easily as vinyl and if a CD gets dinged up, you can just burn another one instead of buying a whole new record for 10 bucks!

Yea, see your point at least with preparing for the future, quick question what needles are you using? Sounds to me that you have too much weight on your tone arm and maybe some negligence storing your records? I use cds as well, but my purchases of 320 bit rates at the moment from beatport still do not match my vinyl. Wish they would allow .wav downloading, but i think thats asking too much Just out of curiousity, what is your opinion on laptop djing with ableton? Thanks for the reply

My vinyl gets cleaned regulary mate, i get all my mp3's from tidy or beatport, and they are either 320 or remastered VBR at a stupidly high rate, and yes, i think they sound alot better, ive been mixing vinyl for 5 years and i feel that the digital age will take over, as someone preivously said, digital formats will just get better, whereas im afraid vinyl will not...

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Originally posted by DJ Xtracktor Yea, see your point at least with preparing for the future, quick question what needles are you using? Sounds to me that you have too much weight on your tone arm and maybe some negligence storing your records? I use cds as well, but my purchases of 320 bit rates at the moment from beatport still do not match my vinyl. Wish they would allow .wav downloading, but i think thats asking too much Just out of curiousity, what is your opinion on laptop djing with ableton? Thanks for the reply

I WAS using Shure Whitelabels. I had a bit of weight on my tonearms with my TTXs when I had them, because the tonearms were quite light compared to other turntables like Technics. It wasn't that, it was the records because they were only two years old, hardly played, and sounded poorer than the newer ones I own and play a lot more. I bought Techs a few weeks ago, and took them back due to the fact that I was playing the same tunes over and over, and wanted a bigger collection, and not pay an arm and a leg for more vinyl in order to do so. Digital DJIng is going to take off for sure in a few years, and the bit rate of MP3s will increase as I've said.

My opinion of Laptop DJing, well I think it's neat, considering I started mixing on MixMeister back when I was 16. I still use it, as I don't have CDJs right now, but should get the CDJ 1000 MK2s in a week or so. Ableton live is definitely becoming a popular program for DJs to use, as it allows them to have much more creativity, and for them to make loops, edits, remixes etc. I haven't used it, and I am only speaking from stuff I've read. It would be nice if I had more time and money so I could buy it, but maybe next year I'll look in it. Right now it's the CDJs, and I'm sure i'll have a blast. Vinyl is not going to stay around forever, as Unknown DJ has said. There is just so much more you can do with CDJs/Digitial DJing. Things need to progress, and DJing is for sure.

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I WAS using Shure Whitelabels. I had a bit of weight on my tonearms with my TTXs when I had them, because the tonearms were quite light compared to other turntables like Technics. It wasn't that, it was the records because they were only two years old, hardly played, and sounded poorer than the newer ones I own and play a lot more. I bought Techs a few weeks ago, and took them back due to the fact that I was playing the same tunes over and over, and wanted a bigger collection, and not pay an arm and a leg for more vinyl in order to do so. Digital DJIng is going to take off for sure in a few years, and the bit rate of MP3s will increase as I've said. My opinion of Laptop DJing, well I think it's neat, considering I started mixing on MixMeister back when I was 16. I still use it, as I don't have CDJs right now, but should get the CDJ 1000 MK2s in a week or so. Ableton live is definitely becoming a popular program for DJs to use, as it allows them to have much more creativity, and for them to make loops, edits, remixes etc. I haven't used it, and I am only speaking from stuff I've read. It would be nice if I had more time and money so I could buy it, but maybe next year I'll look in it. Right now it's the CDJs, and I'm sure i'll have a blast. Vinyl is not going to stay around forever, as Unknown DJ has said. There is just so much more you can do with CDJs/Digitial DJing. Things need to progress, and DJing is for sure.

Point well taken, really good to hear your views, although I have never had a record go bad on me, i keep mine in sleeves, each with gruve glide fluid and shure whitelabels as well. Comparing my records to what I have at 320k bit rate, the vinyl sounds better...but I am going to agree as the bit steps get smaller soon it will surpass vinyl and will be easier to carry, play, buy etc...if all the releases were available in .wav format at the moment, then I think I would go with the all digital setup, but until that day, still going to be saving up for the pvc 12inch plates

As for ableton, I totally agree with what you said, especially where the creativity factor is what matters, not just the matching of tracks.

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Originally posted by DJ Xtracktor Point well taken, really good to hear your views, although I have never had a record go bad on me, i keep mine in sleeves, each with gruve glide fluid and shure whitelabels as well. Comparing my records to what I have at 320k bit rate, the vinyl sounds better...but I am going to agree as the bit steps get smaller soon it will surpass vinyl and will be easier to carry, play, buy etc...if all the releases were available in .wav format at the moment, then I think I would go with the all digital setup, but until that day, still going to be saving up for the pvc 12inch plates As for ableton, I totally agree with what you said, especially where the creativity factor is what matters, not just the matching of tracks.

I guess my original ones I didn't keep in the best of shape as my newer ones considering it was 6 months before I got a proper metal case for them. I was using a red crate for them.....but I still think vinyl is a hassle to clean even when they are new and kept in cases. Am so happy that now, two years later, I can find all the same tracks on MP3 at 320 Kbps, which is really good quality in my ears. I'm not a super audio-phille, I really can't tell that big of a difference. Maybe if I had super acute hearing....or could just hear better but I don't...

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Originally posted by Spirit5 I'm not a super audio-phille

Yep thats me....

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