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-- Apple ditches IBM and Motorola and moves to Intel chips
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damn another example of how cheap and simple technologies always win over more complex and expensive ones even if they're theorically better.
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| Originally posted by ShadoWolf forgive my ignorance, but how would OSX run on CISC-based processors? |
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| Originally posted by malek OSX is based on BSD, which in turn runs on many platforms. |
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| Originally posted by VERTiG0 I thought OSX was just NeXT or whatever it's called, which is an x86 OS? |
Sweet...thanks Malek 
this is pretty exciting stuff actually!!!
I can't wait to see what they'll do with the new notebooks I sure have been wanting to get my hands on one for A WHILE!...Primary reason I didn't was due to school and academic reasons - I need PC for things such as development...but now that all will be possible there's no reason for me to stay in this world 
And I should use Apples educational discount before I graduate...so they better hurry up!
A little OT, but what kind of development did you do, Jon?
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| Originally posted by zokissima A little OT, but what kind of development did you do, Jon? |
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| Originally posted by VERTiG0 No, they just need to make everything cheaper. |
But things should improve now since they have decided to go with Intel...
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| Originally posted by PartyHarlequin Screw Macs... I just ordered an Alienware Area-51 ALX SLI It's time to get jiggy with dual nVidia 6800 Ultra 256s and 2gb of DDR2 Ram, with a 148 GB 10,000 RPM harddrive... and silent liquid cooling w/SLI solution motherboard and a 3.6 ghz Intel processor. I can't wait... The video games will be even harder to look away from  and to boot an Audigy Platinum 4 sound card. I could start producing tracks It's so... beautiful |
Some more quotes and interesting facts:
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| The move will be made possible by work that's been ongoing at Apple for some time. Apple's Mac OS X has been leading a secret double life, having been compiled for both for Intel and the PowerPC, Apple's current processor of choice, Jobs said in the keynote. The company will support the PowerPC�right now it uses IBM's PowerPC 970FX chip�for some time to come. |
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| Jobs' explanation for the move? Apple, which has been maintaining a feature�complete version of OS X for Intel chips�a project code-named Marklar�in secret for some time, could not build the machines it wanted with IBM PowerPC chips inside, given their power consumption. Intel won out, he said, on watts. "We have a good relationship with IBM. They've got a product roadmap. Today the products are really good. But as we look out into the future ... we can envision some awesome products we want to build. Intel's processor roadmap aligns with our vision more than others," Jobs said in an interview broadcast on CNBC shortly after his keynote ended. |
i don't mind apple products, i use/d them a lot, they have their bad quality just as much as any other product. I recently visited the apple store in yorkdale to report my problem with the powerbook lcd I had.. let me tell you, these apple people sure hire the dumbest people of all to work in their little genius bar.
First of all, the guy mentions how white spots on the lcd are "normal" and occur frequently. I did mention that no, it doesn't and apple does claim full responsibility for this defect... Then he says how "A mark on the back of the screen caused the lcd to turn white spots..." it was a blue crayon lying around on my work table, I didn't know I had to full clense my laptop before bringing it in for repair, anyway, i smudged it off for him and admired how stupid he really is..
Then he calls his partner, and of course, his dumb ass genius bar partner couldn't agree more with his theories, and the argument turned to me waiting 2 weeks for a new screen. I said it would be fine... and all the sudden, they couldn't do it.
At that point I was pretty pissed, I coulda snapped easily but I just told them to not please waste my time and I left (with my defective lcd powerbook).
A bunch of the things I had mentioned to them were:
-My friend got his repaired at a non-official apple dealer, no questions asked. They at least knew about the problem than an Apple store.
-I phoned apple myself, and they agreed to repair it as they sent me a box to ship it out, I just thought it would be easier to come to the store so I wouldn't have to depart with my machine for 2-3 weeks.
and I forgot to throw this in their face, but Im afraid i would turn really mad next time I go, which would be never to put up with those asses -
http://www.apple.com/support/powerbook/displayprogram/
sorry for the rant guys, i know it's not apple as much as a few retards working on client service, I just wish they'd argue less and do their job. I just want my screen fixed. Now ill have to go downtown to do so.
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| Originally posted by ++ EGO ++ -I phoned apple myself, and they agreed to repair it as they sent me a box to ship it out, I just thought it would be easier to come to the store so I wouldn't have to depart with my machine for 2-3 weeks. |
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| Originally posted by malek never bring your computer or whatever else for repairs at a retail store, you'll just waste your time and wait longer. deal directly with the manufacturer. |
I know that with PCs DIY is the way to go, with pretty much anything. How easy is it to upgrade/maintain parts for Macs?
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| Originally posted by TrickDaddE ...And Pay half of what you could buy a new system for or replacement parts!!! |
^^^^nice VERTiG0! OSX running on commodity Intel compatible hardware gives me joygasms!
You can't go wrong with a UNIX based core and a pretty 3D GUI. I use a KVM switch to toggle between my XP box and Linux/KDE box. KDE is a great desktop environment, but can't touch OSX in eyecandyness!
Isn't OSX a gigantic memory hog though, even moreso than Windows?
Pop goes this bubble, maybe?
After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that." However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac."
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http://news.com.com/Apple+throws+th...ml?tag=nefd.top
To back this claim up, apparently Apple won't be using Open Firmware. This pretty much means their machines will be booting a non-standard BIOS.
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http://developer.apple.com/document...iversal_binary/
So... it's pretty apparent that you need to buy an Appleized Intel box in order to officially run OSX. However there are a lot of smart kernel hackers out there who could probably develop a patch set to circumvent the Apple hardware requirement. Open OSX?
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| Originally posted by SurrJRS Pop goes this bubble, maybe? After Jobs' presentation, Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller addressed the issue of running Windows on Macs, saying there are no plans to sell or support Windows on an Intel-based Mac. "That doesn't preclude someone from running it on a Mac. They probably will," he said. "We won't do anything to preclude that." However, Schiller said the company does not plan to let people run Mac OS X on other computer makers' hardware. "We will not allow running Mac OS X on anything other than an Apple Mac." source: http://news.com.com/Apple+throws+th...ml?tag=nefd.top To back this claim up, apparently Apple won't be using Open Firmware. This pretty much means their machines will be booting a non-standard BIOS. source: http://developer.apple.com/document...iversal_binary/ So... it's pretty apparent that you need to buy an Appleized Intel box in order to officially run OSX. However there are a lot of smart kernel hackers out there who could probably develop a patch set to circumvent the Apple hardware requirement. Open OSX? |
Joygasm!
My IRC minions are looking for this as we speak
http://apple.slashdot.org/article.p...4&tid=179&tid=1
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| Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger for x86 Leaked? Posted by CmdrTaco on Sunday June 12, @09:19AM from the believe-it-when-i-boot-it dept. patr1ck writes "Mac Daily News is reporting that Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger for x86 processors has been leaked to the internet already. Apparently the version running on the development kit machines is easily transfered to run on any x86 machine. Conspiracy theorists unite: an Apple marketing scheme?" |
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| Report: Apple Mac OS X 10.4.1 for Intel hits piracy sites Saturday, June 11, 2005 - 12:14 PM EST "There is nothing at all that prevents the version of Mac OS X that runs on the developer transition machines from running on any PC with compatible components," Jeff Harrell writes for The Shape of Days. "The Intel-based Power Macintoshes that Apple is showing at their developer conference are based on an Intel motherboard, generic Intel graphics and off-the-shelf Pentium 4 CPUs... I estimate that we're down to a matter of hours before Mac OS X 10.4.1 for Intel hardware is available for download on Internet software piracy sites and peer-to-peer piracy networks. (Update: A reader who for obvious reasons wishes to remain anonymous just demonstrated to me that the software is, in fact, already available on Internet software piracy sites.) If I can think through this stuff, Apple's management can think through this stuff. This is the most awe-inspiring stealth marketing move I've ever seen." "According to reports, Apple's bundled iLife applications, major selling points for the Mac operating system, are already Intel-native and run at full speed... Given Apple's experiences with software piracy, particularly the rampant software piracy that spread developer builds of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger all over the Internet this past spring, Apple's management from the top down knows full well that this developer preview will be in the hands of every kid with a cable modem within days of its release. Most of them will be able to install it on their own computers and run it and the full suite of iLife '05 applications at full speed, and run most existing Mac software in translation. As a result, Apple will give thousands, possibly millions, of people a taste of Mac OS X running full speed on their own PCs. Apple's giving their potential future customers a free taste, that's what they're doing. It's a try-before-you-buy deal," Harrell writes. Also, full article (by Jeff Harrell @ ShapeOfDays.com)... Mac OS X on Intel: Try before you buy? Item the first: Apple is not staffed entirely by idiots. This is self-evident, and it's important to what follows. Keep this in mind as we proceed. Item the second: The Intel-based Power Macintoshes that Apple is showing at their developer conference are based on an Intel motherboard, generic Intel graphics and off-the-shelf Pentium 4 CPUs. This information has just become public in the past few hours. (Comments I made to the contrary yesterday and on Monday were erroneous. The source who fed me that information has been sent to bed without any supper, and says to tell you he's very sorry and that it won't happen again.) Item the third: It's safe to assume, given the timeframe, that the developer transition kits that Apple will ship within a couple of weeks will be fundamentally similar to, if not outright identical to, the Power Macs on display at the conference. Item the fourth: The Power Macs on display at the show run a one-off build of Mac OS X 10.4.1 that incorporates the few necessary changes that were required to get the operating system running on the Intel hardware. This build includes Apple's bundled iLife '05 suite of applications. Item the fifth: Because Intel's LaGrande security technology is not yet incorporated into any shipping products, it's safe to assume that it's not present in these transition-kit computers. Item the sixth: Given items two through five, apart from the constraints introduced by hardware-software interfaces, there is nothing at all that prevents the version of Mac OS X that runs on the developer transition machines from running on any PC with compatible components. Item the seventh: Because the Intel version of Mac OS X that's being distributed to developers is a one-off build, future software patches, including all-important security patches, will not install on top of it, making it totally useless to anybody who's not a developer of Mac software. Item the eighth: Given items two through seven, I estimate that we're down to a matter of hours before Mac OS X 10.4.1 for Intel hardware is available for download on Internet software piracy sites and peer-to-peer piracy networks. (Update: A reader who for obvious reasons wishes to remain anonymous just demonstrated to me that the software is, in fact, already available on Internet software piracy sites.) Item the ninth: If I can think through this stuff, Apple's management can think through this stuff. See item one. Item the tenth: This is the most awe-inspiring stealth marketing move I've ever seen. Think about it. Apple releases a developers-only preview release of Mac OS X for Intel. It's a fully functional release of the operating system, not a beta or prerelease copy. It will work reliably, and it will run the vast majority of existing Mac applications unmodified via the Rosetta translation technology. But because this is a one-off developer release, it's of very little value to computer owners. Future software updates, like the soon-to-be-released 10.4.2 update, won't install. Existing Mac software will run, but it will run in translation, which means it will be frustratingly slow. But according to reports, Apple's bundled iLife applications, major selling points for the Mac operating system, are already Intel-native and run at full speed. Given Apple's experiences with software piracy, particularly the rampant software piracy that spread developer builds of Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger all over the Internet this past spring, Apple's management from the top down knows full well that this developer preview will be in the hands of every kid with a cable modem within days of its release. Most of them will be able to install it on their own computers and run it and the full suite of iLife '05 applications at full speed, and run most existing Mac software in translation. As a result, Apple will give thousands, possibly millions, of people a taste of Mac OS X running full speed on their own PCs. Apple's giving their potential future customers a free taste, that's what they're doing. It's a try-before-you-buy deal. It's possible that any one of the ten items above -- well, except number one -- is wrong either in detail or completely. It's possible that I'm totally off-base here. But I don't think so. I think there's a possibility, a very real possibility, that I'm right about this. And that thought gives me the chills. In a good way. |
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