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PS: im just waiting for the day that a well respected 50 year old detective says "shizzle"

ahahahahhaha

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Originally posted by Form&Funktion OH NO....NOT THE: I diss you so you stab me.....THING AGAIN. Fuckin wankers!!!

are you dissin' me.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I think it's time for System to review their Thursday night format. Nights like that make it hard for everyone when bullshit happens.

Fat Chance.

It's too popular.

The last time I was there, it was thuggy, and it seemed like a lot of minors.

The big difference between Thursdays and Breathe Fridays, is that for Breathe, you can wait by the bar patiently to get served for a drink. On Thursdays, you get pushed around at the bar by pushy and unapologetic patrons.

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Originally posted by Mr. Furious Fat Chance. It's too popular. The last time I was there, it was thuggy, and it seemed like a lot of minors. The big difference between Thursdays and Breathe Fridays, is that for Breathe, you can wait by the bar patiently to get served for a drink. On Thursdays, you get pushed around at the bar by pushy and unapologetic patrons.

The problem with nights like that is that you make lots of money for a few months, then someone gets shot and your whole club is history.

I blame it on the music...just like my parents did when I listened to Heavy Metal....The music is telling them to get drunk, stab their fellow man and try to grind with every woman in site

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I blame it on the music...just like my parents did when I listened to Heavy Metal....The music is telling them to get drunk, stab their fellow man and try to grind with every woman in site

I agree....Although this is probably going to spark a debate with hip hop fans.

It's like Bill Cosby says about hip hop culture perpetuating the very slave names (nigga) that his generation fought so long and hard to erradicate.

Lots of people in the hip hop community claim that using that word is supposed to be empowering and somewhat emancipating in the sense that they now use it, and it's no longer just a term used by white slave masters.

....I see that as being counterproductive....

IMHO, there is very little about the hip-hop 'culture' that has any redeemable qualities. Buncha f***ing stupid kids (I use the term figuratively)

Hip hop music isnt to blame. Its the lifestyle it brings with it and the types of people it attracts. Hip hop music didnt cause the stabbing outside of system but it certainly attracted the types of people most likely to purpetrate such an act.

All hip hop does is further condone it as a way of solving your problems.

haha, yeah hip hop is to blame for violence. The same way dance music is to blame for drug use.

'something bout those little pills, unreal, the thrills they yeild, until they kill a million braincells'

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy haha, yeah hip hop is to blame for violence. The same way dance music is to blame for drug use. 'something bout those little pills, unreal, the thrills they yeild, until they kill a million braincells'

no doubt that the chance of drug use is much higher at an electronic event than a hip hop party (unless u count weed)..same goes the other way for violence.

You guys can't seriously blame hip-hop (or rap, w/e) for the actions of these people. Hip hop is a style of music, like rock, jazz, folk, pop, EDM, etc; like all other musical genres, is a fusion of lyrical and instrumental components. It is unfair to associate hip hop with violence as there are many artists in this genre who produce and create intelligent, aware music that has the potential to educate listeners (ie: Common, Mos Def, Black Eyed Peas, and too many others to list here).

In my opinion, the problem lies both in the individual artists and the public who creates demand for such artists. Whether such artists do it for the money, or actually believe the images they portray, is irrelevant. Such artists tarnish the hip hop scene and give it a bad reputation... too bad they are in the majority these days.

Back in the day, violent messages in hip hop were an expression of the conditions facing black, inner-city residents. In such a climate, violetn hip hop lyrics were accepted because they embodied the frustration and repression of a group of people.. however, now that hip hop has been popularized, there is no need for violent messages in hip hop.

Hip hop music doesnt cause violence as i said...but it sure does attract those who commit it.

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Originally posted by zokissima IMHO, there is very little about the hip-hop 'culture' that has any redeemable qualities. Buncha f***ing stupid kids (I use the term figuratively)

I used to think the same way til I started dating someone who is big into hip hop and has been for about 15 years. There is a lot of crap out there, yes, but there's also a lot of very intelligent, non violent, non derogatory hip hop out there. Hip hop was the voice of a big group of people for a long time - as you can tell from the lyrics of some of the music.

I recently bought him a huge lot of classic hip hop as a housewarming gift and was surprised to enjoy a lot of it.

stop making this about hip hop people.

there was a stabbing linked to one of the clubs we go to. that is bad, no matter what night it was and no matter who was there.

and there is damn good hip hop out there.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Hip hop music doesnt cause violence as i said...but it sure does attract those who commit it.

While it may not be a direct cause, it definitely influences it.

The same as how the environment of an after hours is an influence for drugs.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess stop making this about hip hop people. there was a stabbing linked to one of the clubs we go to. that is bad, no matter what night it was and no matter who was there. and there is damn good hip hop out there.

why dont the stabbings happen on fri and sat then?

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Originally posted by Mr. Furious While it may not be a direct cause, it definitely influences it. The same as how the environment of an after hours is an influence for drugs.

exactly what i said

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Originally posted by Jayx1 why dont the stabbings happen on fri and sat then?

Cause all the hip hop crowd got their lips around the pipe on the weekends! LOL

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess ...And there is damn good hip hop out there.

I agree.

...But I consider GOOD hip hop to be like A Tribe Called Quest, or Mos Def, or Common....All of which isn't played at System on Friday's.

Instead, they play Ludacris, Fifty Cent, G-Unit...Y'know the kind with lyrics like "move bitch, get out da way, get out da way bitch"....Or Fifty Cent talking about how a 9mm is handgun is his best friend.

Some might say that that's not hip hop, but rap....either way....

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Originally posted by Mr. Furious While it may not be a direct cause, it definitely influences it. The same as how the environment of an after hours is an influence for drugs.

Totally not comparable.
Explain to me what drugs are to an after hours, and then see if the same applies to hip hop and violence.

go on...try.

This tread is going off on a bit of tangent, but it's a useful one. As much as I hate using the 'blame it on the music' argument (nothing worse than sounding like your parents), I think it could be valid in this case.

Almost every week, we hear about a stabbing, a shooting, a major brawl, SOMETHING, at a club. The one thing that all of these different incidents have in common is that they all take place at clubs playing hip-hop/reggae.

I don't think this is much of a coincidence. Here we have an aggressive style of music that encourages and glorifies disresepect and raging because you can. Add alcohol and you have a recipe for anarchy. The second problem, nobody is discouraging this behaviour at hip hop clubs. Nobody in that particular party community seems outraged that jerkoff gang-bangers are shooting innocent party-goers.

I've been to a good number of parties over the past few years and from my vantage point, fights (let alone other violence) at house/trance nights/raves/etc. are exceedingly rare. The only time I've seen somebody even threaten to beat the hell out of somebody was at Tiesto in December (Boyfriend caught girlfriend with guy's tongue halfway down her throat). Even cops I've talked to like Trance shows because it's a relatively easy night for them. Violence simply isn't a problem in the House/Trance community.

Drugs may be another issue. The House/Trance community has had its share of drug problems. Few things scare parents more than hearing about kids overdosing on E. The fear of drug use has led politicians in some cities to ban large parties (Guelph is a good example). The difference between the Hip Hop and House communities is how they handle their particular problem. Promoters, DJs and party-goers have recognized this problem, and while still tolerating drug use, don't glorify it as a necessary part of the culture. The hip hop community, on the other hand seems to be revel in the supposed masculine ability to be a thug... er... asshole.

In response to criticism, the House/Trance community has placed certain restrictions on parties. For instance, how many all ages events are there? Once in a blue moon! This restricts (somewhat) underaged kids running into problems with E and other drugs. We have also striven to protray the positive elements of our subculture as the defining characteristics of being a fan. The vibe at most House/Trance parties is unbelievable - Freedom, Love, Unity, Peace. We are the New Aquarians (as opposed to neo-hippies).

The Hip Hop subculture has a long way to go. It's time to go beyond the 'Life ain't nothin' but bitches and money' theme that has been the hallmark of hip hop for the past 15 years. I miss the good old days, when hip hop used to be about questioning the racist double-standard of 'The Man' (See Run DMC and Public Enemy). Now it's just tyring to be as shocking as possible to give comfortable middle class white kids something to supposedly rebel with.

Pretty shallow.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 why dont the stabbings happen on fri and sat then?

because no one goes to system on Fridays and Saturdays anymore.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 exactly what i said

Whoops, muh bad.

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Originally posted by Skipper Totally not comparable. Explain to me what drugs are to an after hours, and then see if the same applies to hip hop and violence. go on...try.

Electronic music often contains lyrics about drugs.

Rap music often contains lyrics about violence.

Match. Set. Point.

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Originally posted by Skipper

Who did you date? Ghostface Killah!!?!

bahah Hip Hop, you used to be so clever and fresh, now you make me laugh. CHUCKLE CHUCKLE

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