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Originally posted by Axolotyl Yeah I love it how anyone who has Pioneers recommends them just because everyone else has them or they are the industry standard. They are the most featureless decks and yet still the most expensive. I wouldnt part with my S5000's for shit. The rubber buttons on them are great especially when your trying to pitch bend. You can get a lot of travel in them and as a result feel very tactile. Yes, they have more features and are more complex, but learn to mix on these and you can pick up the idiot proof Pioneers within 15 minutes. Shit, I'm not even going to go on about the features cos its embaressing to Pioneer owners.

Thank you. Wanna be friends?

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Originally posted by jupiterone i really dont understand what idiot would break off buttons....do people like jerk off with their cd decks or something....

I wouldn't be too suprised if a few pioneer owners here do

wow, sounds liek pioneer killed someones dad......and raped their mom.

This is almost as bad as Tiesto vs PVD!!!

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Originally posted by Tygon This is really what I'm looking for. The 1000s are made of more metal too right? Not so much plastic? I'd rather pay an extra couple hundred bucks for a better feel! That's why I was considering the Techs...... but my option seems very clear now.

Nope, there is NO metal in the 1000's, except the case underneath. When you pick it up it feels like a $40 DVD player you got at WalMart. The buttons and wheel have a nice feel to them, and the performance of the unit is great, but I do wish it had a more solid feel to it for a grand.

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Originally posted by alligator you've never used one? you'll know what i mean after you touch them and compare their feel to the cdj1000mk2

Toy like? No, they are rubber and feel different for sure, but they aren't "toy like". I do like the Pio's better though (that's what I have). I wish the Pioneer was built like the 5000 though, they are very heavy and solid.

All this debate over button?! What about the inbuilt 30 seconds of sample data, the choice of rotating or pitch bend platter, up to 4 cue points or loops, platter effects like drag and echo, reverse play and dump, ability to play 2 tracks at once or play the same track on two channels with a delay offset? Oh sorry, I forgot someone said the buttons look like toys. Yeah.. get a Pioneer.

Lets face it, if you want to mix creatively, originally and try out the new possibilities that the best CD decks will allow... get a Dennon. If you want to look cool, think your Tiesto, blend in with the rest of the Pioneer crowd and are scared of ever walking into a club and not knowing how to use their setup straight away... get a Pioneer.

i have the 1000s. I love them.

Your preference only. If your a club DJ youll see CDJ-1000s everywhere. That and the good old 600.

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Originally posted by Axolotyl All this debate over button?! What about the inbuilt 30 seconds of sample data, the choice of rotating or pitch bend platter, up to 4 cue points or loops, platter effects like drag and echo, reverse play and dump, ability to play 2 tracks at once or play the same track on two channels with a delay offset? Oh sorry, I forgot someone said the buttons look like toys. Yeah.. get a Pioneer. Lets face it, if you want to mix creatively, originally and try out the new possibilities that the best CD decks will allow... get a Dennon. If you want to look cool, think your Tiesto, blend in with the rest of the Pioneer crowd and are scared of ever walking into a club and not knowing how to use their setup straight away... get a Pioneer.

a cd player that is built on features and buttons - therefore toy like...but regardless a dj ain't a dj i guess unless he can press a button and add a break, or oh wait and echo...if you don't know how to mix the denon's won't make you better. yes they have tons of features, which if used corectly will add to your set. but in order to use each feature a few times during a 2 hour set you'll have to play each song for about 6-7 minutes to have enough time to add one or two effects on it (unless of course you use effects when you bring in your cued song, opps i didn't mean to spoil your trick here). don't get me wrong but unless you're playing for 10 people, i woudln't want to hear a song for 8 minutes, to every beat, and see you press a button and make an echo, loop or bring in some sort of an addition, i want to see your skills, amaze me with your track selection. tell me your story of how you make me enjoy my time if i pay to be there. play me the essential part of the song, get me in a trance where i can say yes, he build upon his talents. now if you can only pull of a set with your denon features, then how do you expect others to respond?

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Originally posted by alligator a cd player that is built on features and buttons - therefore toy like...but regardless a dj ain't a dj i guess unless he can press a button and add a break, or oh wait and echo...if you don't know how to mix the denon's won't make you better. yes they have tons of features, which if used corectly will add to your set. but in order to use each feature a few times during a 2 hour set you'll have to play each song for about 6-7 minutes to have enough time to add one or two effects on it (unless of course you use effects when you bring in your cued song, opps i didn't mean to spoil your trick here). don't get me wrong but unless you're playing for 10 people, i woudln't want to hear a song for 8 minutes, to every beat, and see you press a button and make an echo, loop or bring in some sort of an addition, i want to see your skills, amaze me with your track selection. tell me your story of how you make me enjoy my time if i pay to be there. play me the essential part of the song, get me in a trance where i can say yes, he build upon his talents. now if you can only pull of a set with your denon features, then how do you expect others to respond?

So something that is built on features and buttons (back to the buttons I see) is a toy? What logic is that dude?

No, I dont play at clubs and no I dont charge for entry to the parties that I do play at. So therefore that makes my opinon invalid or something does it? I already stated that if you want to have a deck with features then Dennon is the one to go for, if you want to mix at clubs, then go the Pioneers.

And I really have no idea what your referring to when you say "using effects to bring in my cued song" and that your somehow spoiling my trick? Yes, most DJ's have tricks. Isnt that what its all about? If you can explain this better, I might be able to respond to it, but your just not making a lot of sense here dude.

What has time got to do with applying effects? Your saying it takes 8 mintues to do a trick with a deck? What sort of trick are we talking here? Not really dude... for example... set up your cue... 3 sec reverse play... followed by a backspin with a flanger for arguements sake and then cue back into a loop. OK, thats like 4 tricks or effects in the space of about 5 seconds mate. Something like that is a bit excessive (but can sound excellent if you do it right), I'm just showing that fx dont need to dominate a set. But then I mix psytrance and tech which is a lot more forgiving of experimenting and beatchopping than what uplifting is, which seems to be based mainly on track selection and not clashing the melodies.

Anyway, I'm preaching to a brick wall here. Pioneer and trance are synonymous. OK, you win Dennons buttons are GaY =)

I'm sorry but more bells and whistles on a turntable doesn't make you a better DJ, it doesn't make the turntable better, and it shouldn't be the reason you buy a specific brand either.

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Originally posted by Axolotyl So something that is built on features and buttons (back to the buttons I see) is a toy? What logic is that dude? No, I dont play at clubs and no I dont charge for entry to the parties that I do play at. So therefore that makes my opinon invalid or something does it? I already stated that if you want to have a deck with features then Dennon is the one to go for, if you want to mix at clubs, then go the Pioneers. And I really have no idea what your referring to when you say "using effects to bring in my cued song" and that your somehow spoiling my trick? Yes, most DJ's have tricks. Isnt that what its all about? If you can explain this better, I might be able to respond to it, but your just not making a lot of sense here dude. What has time got to do with applying effects? Your saying it takes 8 mintues to do a trick with a deck? What sort of trick are we talking here? Not really dude... for example... set up your cue... 3 sec reverse play... followed by a backspin with a flanger for arguements sake and then cue back into a loop. OK, thats like 4 tricks or effects in the space of about 5 seconds mate. Something like that is a bit excessive (but can sound excellent if you do it right), I'm just showing that fx dont need to dominate a set. But then I mix psytrance and tech which is a lot more forgiving of experimenting and beatchopping than what uplifting is, which seems to be based mainly on track selection and not clashing the melodies. Anyway, I'm preaching to a brick wall here. Pioneer and trance are synonymous. OK, you win Dennons buttons are GaY =)

my simple statment is that the addition of such features wont' make you a better dj if you still don't know how to beatmatch. therefore unless you know the basis of mixing, and using tt's, or cd players the effects will be more damaging than helping to you. bring in your cued song - mix in the next song...
to disaprove with your theory that pioneers are in clubs everywhere, all over where i live denon's 3000 or 5000 are currently used in clubs, why because mostly all the djs that play there know how to beat count and can't mix a song in to save their lives without an addition of flagger, break or whatever else.
back to my point, because this is dragging on without any purpose, the effects are useless if you're a shity dj, and if you can mix well without them then they will help you in your set. but that doesn't mean you must buy a cd player with build in features (you can get an efx).

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Originally posted by Tygon Big difference between the 800s and 1000s?

Here are some feature differences:

CDJ-800

Smaller footprint (305W*105H*330D) than CDJ-1000 (320W*105H*370D).
NEW: Quick Return for beginning scratchers
NEW: Lighter feel jog dial for beginning scratchers
NEW: Auto Beat Loop
NEW: Tempo Control +-100% Pitch control
NEW: DJ Function Digital Out (including sending scratch, pitch, master tempo digital data info through digital outs)
Smaller Capacity Internal Cue/Loop Memory: 1 points per CD up to 500 CDs
No facility for external memory (no MMC)
Minimum Tempo Step only 0.05%
Only one Vinyl Speed Adjust
Only one adjust for both touch & release (it CAN do a "break" still)
No Wave Display
No Tempo Reset
No Hot Cue memory buttons
No CD Text
No Calendar Display
BPM Counter: same as 1000
Sound Skipping Prevention: Shock Proof Memory & Floating Suspension (Oil Damper): same as 1000
Legato Link Conversion: same as 1000

CDJ-1000

Wave Display
3 Hot Cue memory buttons
Cue/Loop Internal Memory 10 points per CD up to 100 CDs
Cue/Loop External Memory (MMC): 100 points per CD up to 10000 CDs = 1,000,000 points of memory!
Tempo Control �24% Pitch control
Minimum Tempo Steps on the pitch control 0.02%
Tempo Reset function button
Wave Display
CD Text
Two Vinyl Speed Adjust
Separated adjust for Touch & Release
Commercial design
Calendar Display
BPM Counter
Sound Skipping Prevention: Shock Proof Memory & Floating Suspension (Oil Damper)
Legato Link Conversion

Hmmm... I'm really not seeing much of a reason to pay the extra couple hundred bucks for the 1000s.

My decision has become much easier thanks to this thread

i guess the feel of the 800 is not as realistic as the 1000, but hey neither are vinyl.

hope you enjoy either player (whichever one you're gonna buy)

also neither of these two play mp3, so if you like your mp3 cd's then think about the cdj 200

Well I figure... if I buy the 800 I can get used to them over time even if they're not as realistic. If a club has 1000s, it'll be an easier adjustment than the other way around.

Nah I don't use mp3 CDs... I burn 1 track per CD... which is also a reason that CD Text is useless.

Currently my resident club has these CD decks which I've become quite comfortable with. If I can get used to these, Pioneers will be a breeze!

i've tried using those at a pub a few times (note to mention it was after i fell inlove w/ the mkII) and the jog on those double decks is just horrible.

i couldn't stand them, also the way you cue between the denon and pioneer is different. but i stand by my opinion never buy double decks. (although cheap bars, pubs and/or cheap clubs will have those)

jeeze still a war about "Toy Buttons" going on?

Well this is no cheap club... not sure why they went with these... but I don't question... I just play

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Originally posted by Tygon Well this is no cheap club... not sure why they went with these... but I don't question... I just play

cheap towards their equipment. but then again we're only employed to play, and since we're not tiesto or pvd we can't really get away with saying get me my choice or i won't play.

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Originally posted by jupiterone jeeze still a war about "Toy Buttons" going on?

Nope... no war anymore... just a conversation now...

To be honest with you, I think they may have actually put in these Denons before the 5000s, 800s and 1000s were even around... I mean they've got a million dollars in sound and lighting alone.. I don't think they went cheap on the equipment... they just haven't changed the setup in years.

hey tygon i'm downloading your latest mixes of your website (trance side)...can't wait to hear them

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Originally posted by alligator hey tygon i'm downloading your latest mixes of your website (trance side)...can't wait to hear them

Sweet... I'm always open for feedback... check PM

This is misleading...

The following were all added to the CDJ-1000MK2's:
Tempo Control +- 100%
DJ Function Digital Out
Lighter feel jog dial (well not at light as the 800, but lighter than the MK1's)

The comparison below was for the original CDJ-1000MK1.

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Originally posted by alligator Here are some feature differences: CDJ-800 Smaller footprint (305W*105H*330D) than CDJ-1000 (320W*105H*370D). NEW: Quick Return for beginning scratchers NEW: Lighter feel jog dial for beginning scratchers NEW: Auto Beat Loop NEW: Tempo Control +-100% Pitch control NEW: DJ Function Digital Out (including sending scratch, pitch, master tempo digital data info through digital outs) Smaller Capacity Internal Cue/Loop Memory: 1 points per CD up to 500 CDs No facility for external memory (no MMC) Minimum Tempo Step only 0.05% Only one Vinyl Speed Adjust Only one adjust for both touch & release (it CAN do a "break" still) No Wave Display No Tempo Reset No Hot Cue memory buttons No CD Text No Calendar Display BPM Counter: same as 1000 Sound Skipping Prevention: Shock Proof Memory & Floating Suspension (Oil Damper): same as 1000 Legato Link Conversion: same as 1000 CDJ-1000 Wave Display 3 Hot Cue memory buttons Cue/Loop Internal Memory 10 points per CD up to 100 CDs Cue/Loop External Memory (MMC): 100 points per CD up to 10000 CDs = 1,000,000 points of memory! Tempo Control �24% Pitch control Minimum Tempo Steps on the pitch control 0.02% Tempo Reset function button Wave Display CD Text Two Vinyl Speed Adjust Separated adjust for Touch & Release Commercial design Calendar Display BPM Counter Sound Skipping Prevention: Shock Proof Memory & Floating Suspension (Oil Damper) Legato Link Conversion

difference between, it's not a complete feature list!

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