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Originally posted by St_Andrew Exchange rates like that doesnt mean shit if you didnt know it.

lol

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Why do you have this anti EU constitution obsession btw, you dont seem to know a lot

You're confused all right. I guess you've never read my sig. How you could conclude I've an "anti EU constitution obsession" is one of the larger fallacies I've seen written here so far...

-Noble

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu lol You're confused all right. I guess you've never read my sig. How you could conclude I've an "anti EU constitution obsession" is one of the larger fallacies I've seen written here so far... -Noble

Fallacies? Canadian? Toronto? Hmmmm...

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z @TheNobleEu: You've really got a knack for being irritating/pissing people off.

Hey, this is a political forum. People will disagree -- and people here that initially flamed me have retracted their remarks. I'm also certain that most of the people posting here are fairly young.

Strange, your tone is so much different in our Islam discussion thread, brother.

This from my "friend" that tells me:

1. He doesn't know even the most basic content or context of the Qur'an;
2. Asserts he nonetheless knows the Qur'an better than his Imams and Mullahs, since they are "full of shit" and uneducated;
3. Claims this although he can't read Arabic;
4. Thinks he can pick and choose what he likes from the Qur'an and ignore the human and women's rights problems it contains;
5. Denounces anything he doesn't like in the Qur'an/things happening in the Muslim world as "not real Islam."


And on the notion of my being a n00b, lol. I've been around here for ages -- the owner of this board is a personal friend. This is just a new profile (check the date).

So -- who here knew DJ Fuzion/Cinar? That's the big reason I came to this forum in particular, I understand he really liked it.

Toodles,
-Noble

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Originally posted by George Smiley Fallacies? Canadian? Toronto? Hmmmm...

I was thinking the same thing (I guess). But there hasn't really been any mentions of invasions in this thread yet.

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Hey, this is a political forum. People will disagree

People are not disagreeing with you - they are simply incapable of following your lines(?) of reasoning. For instance, the "lol" with with you answered St_Andrew was really hard to put into context.

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu and people here that initially flamed me have retracted their remarks.

Who?

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu I'm also certain that most of the people posting here are fairly young.

Define fairly young - and then please go on to explain your reason for being so sure. I mean, if you're 40 or 50 then you're probably right, but if you're a 15 year old kid (as I suspect) then you're very wrong.

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Originally posted by trancaholic I was thinking the same thing (I guess). But there hasn't really been any mentions of invasions in this thread yet.

This is your second bigoted comment in the two posts I have been talking to you (although you weren't the originator). See why I conclude what I do?

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Originally posted by trancaholic Who?

You for one, mea culpa. Shaolin's another.

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Originally posted by trancaholic Define fairly young - and then please go on to explain your reason for being so sure. I mean, if you're 40 or 50 then you're probably right, but if you're a 15 year old kid (as I suspect) then you're very wrong.

See above.

Maybe I'll just do myself a favour and ignore trolling.

Have fun,
-Noble

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu lol

Ehm, yeah, good argument!

I know an even better abbrevation: WTF!

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You're confused all right. I guess you've never read my sig. How you could conclude I've an "anti EU constitution obsession" is one of the larger fallacies I've seen written here so far... -Noble

Really, why would you have a sig with anti EU constitution stuff in it if you werent anti EU consittuiton? and if you have a political sig, you are most likely a strong believer in it! hence my conclusion...

hey noble
wtf are u doing in this forum?u are pretty confusing ...and i don't really know where u found all your infos ....
stop to confuse everyone or get out from here

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu You for one, mea culpa. Shaolin's another.

When exactly did I flame you? By saying you can be irritating? I don't think that I'm the only one who feels that way.

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Strange, your tone is so much different in our Islam discussion thread, brother.

Not really. You can just be a little irritating that's all. And I sort of share Youpes's frustration so I said "nice response." I don't see how that incredibly rude or qualifies as flaming.

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu This from my "friend" that tells me: 1. He doesn't know even the most basic content or context of the Qur'an; 2. Asserts he nonetheless knows the Qur'an better than his Imams and Mullahs, since they are "full of shit" and uneducated; 3. Claims this although he can't read Arabic; 4. Thinks he can pick and choose what he likes from the Qur'an and ignore the human and women's rights problems it contains; 5. Denounces anything he doesn't like in the Qur'an/things happening in the Muslim world as "not real Islam."

When did I "tell" you that I don't even know the most basis contents or context of the Qur'an? That's something YOU asserted. And just cuz I don't know Arabic doesn't mean it's impossible for me to understand the Quran, especially when I already told you that when I do have difficulty with some parts(translations ofcourse) or they just sound really weird or whatever, I ask people who're good at both languages to explain stuff. And all that other stuff, I've already adressed in the other thread and I'm not going to bother to do it again as you basically don't seem to take into consider what anyone else says and just force your views on everyone else.

EDIT: If you have something to say to me, then you can PM me as I don't want to hijack this thread.

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu And on the notion of my being a n00b, lol. I've been around here for ages ... This is just a new profile (check the date).

What? So you're a troll then??!

I mean, isn't that what trolls do? Get banned in one identity and create mutliple identies to bug us all? If you've been here around for ever why you so ashamed for your old identity?

Damnit, who 'round here is our resident troll-basher?


Perhaps we should wake Lira from his vacation on the shores of Ipanema?

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z Not really. You can just be a little irritating that's all.

I invite people to to read the thread themselves.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z When did I "tell" you that I don't even know the most basis contents or context of the Qur'an? That's something YOU asserted.

First you told me I had no idea what I was talking about (as a knee-jerk reaction) when I initially responded to the above thread -- several times you basically told everyone in this forum in general that, "...since so many of you have minimal understanding of Islam..." you were going to educate us.

You then reiterated your denials of what other people had said about Islam oppressing women. I then posted the relevant Surahs and verses. You then retracted your statements that I was wrong (totally legit), expressed pleasure that "I had done research," but then denied nonetheless that the Qur'an preeches inequality. Your justification was that the Qur'an can be "interpretted in many different ways/whatever you don't like is not true Islam" -- a blanket dismissal, that conjures a get-out-of-jail-free card that you think vetos whatever you please, which you reserve the right to invoke at your whim.

Your posts and your remarks express your unfamiliarity with the Qur'an. I'm not the Muslim here, you are. I don't mean that insultingly, and I don't have a problem with that (that's your business), but if you find it "irritating" when I respond with material that disproves your "impressions" about Islam and what "you think" is in the Qur'an (as distinct from "the facts"), that's your problem too, not mine.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z And just cuz I don't know Arabic doesn't mean it's impossible for me to understand the Quran,

That's like saying you can fully understand Fermat's Enigma without being able to count to 10.

The Qur'an isn't written in English. To understand it fully on its own terms, you have to approach it from its perspective. I'm afraid that's a basic fact of life, and not debatable.

(When did you ever think you would see a Westerner telling that to a Muslim about their own Holy Book?)

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z ...I'm not going to bother to do it again as you basically don't seem to take into consider what anyone else says and just force your views on everyone else.

Again, ain't "my view." It's the Qur'an's.

Keep in mind that most Holy Books polish the nasty terminologies out and replace it with flowery English that has no bearing on what the original text says. (The nasty terminologies and situations have a tendancy to be rather embarrassing for ecclesiasticals of the 21st century).

Funny how the guilty party always tries to preempt by accusing the opposition of what they have done themselves, hmm?

Thanks, but I already called a stop to our talk since it was going in circles with me presenting annotated Arabic translations and commentary on the grammar and Arabic religious vocabulary and you simply responding "no it doesn't say that" (when you are in no position to dispute that) and when you have the text in front of your face and/or can go look it up for yourself.

Ok if you like, but then we have no basis for common discussion.

You're just wasting our collective time, and at this point we're just wasting bandwidth.

Cheers,
-Noble

Umm, look noble, I don't think you realize it, but most european members of this board are pro and not anti EU. The thing is that you simply have a too shallow understanding of the EU and its internal processes to make a sufficiently valid statement that everyone will agree with. Hence the reason why everyone is against you on one point or another.

and the deadlock continues:

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London insists any change must be linked to reform of EU farm subsidies

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French President Jacques Chirac is refusing to discuss any cut in farm subsidies and says the rebate should "under no circumstances be linked to a reform of farm expenditure".

doesnt look good... probably gonna end up keeping UK rebate, and no reform in CAP =/ but yeah, i still like that blair is putting some pressure on france here! CAP reform is a lot more needed than the UK rebate reform...

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Originally posted by St_Andrew Members of the EEC (Im not sure this is the name in english tho?) Norway Iceland Lichtenstein Switzzerland (im pretty sure) is not a member of EEC, but ratifies every new treaty by itself. They are part of the free trade agreements (rome treaty) and just passed the schengen treaty tho!

EFTA

http://secretariat.efta.int/


yes, Switzerland is in the EFTA.

it's not, however, in the EEA

http://secretariat.efta.int/Web/Eur...ea/introduction

Switzerland also ratified several "EU" treaties, but it not a member.


There's also the Council of Europe, which includes many more countries than the EU.

http://www.coe.int/T/e/Com/about_coe/

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Originally posted by ShadoWolf EFTA http://secretariat.efta.int/ yes, Switzerland is in the EFTA. it's not, however, in the EEA http://secretariat.efta.int/Web/Eur...ea/introduction Switzerland also ratified several "EU" treaties, but it not a member. There's also the Council of Europe, which includes many more countries than the EU. http://www.coe.int/T/e/Com/about_coe/

None of them are anything to do with the EU

And thats not the Council of Europe or even te European Council

Unless the website ends in .eu it has nothing to do with the EU (EU members just happen to be members, like NATO or UN)

i hope everything goes well because once i am done with collage here i go to austria to leave there forever. It would suck if i couldn't travel to europe without being bothered of showing my id

So it's official, summit ended in a failure... no big suprises but still a dissapointment!

going to cry

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Umm, look noble, I don't think you realize it, but most european members of this board are pro and not anti EU. The thing is that you simply have a too shallow understanding of the EU and its internal processes to make a sufficiently valid statement that everyone will agree with. Hence the reason why everyone is against you on one point or another.

I never said anyone here was anti-EU, and at no time conveyed any such suspicion.

Just FYI, I will no longer respond to distortions of what I have said (see above), blatant fabrications, or juvenille blanket statements.

If I don't respond, it's because:

1. I'm either ignoring the above categories;
2. Because I can't be bothered to spend the time to repost what I've already said (RTFP);
3. Because I can't be bothered to llustrate how I said "X" and you (and most others in this thread) somehow magically came away with "Y".


I really don't have the time to hand-hold anyone. It's a basic courtesy to pay attention and not misrepresent people. You'd expect to find educated people in a political forum -- but just like all things internet, one person misrepresents you, and then the mindless hoardes descend.

I've been the subject of multiple bigoted remarks (due to being Canadian), and have even been accused of being anti-EU in this thread, when my nick is "TheNobleEU." The ratio of ADD extant around here is astonishing -- I can only conclude some people here are dyslexic and/or suffer from the internet-virus of reading one sentence and responding without reading a whole post first.

And I could care less who agrees or doesn't agree with me. Are you here, in this political forum, because you "want everyone to agree with you?"

If you are, I'm afraid you're on a fool's errand.

If everyone agrees around here, then:

1. People here aren't making their true political opinions known;
2. People here don't possess the intellectual responsibility/maturity to develop an opinion.


Take your pick. Any other condition results in conflict of interest and discussion.

That this need be pointed out speaks volumes...

Cheers,
-Noble

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu I can only conclude some people here are dyslexic

I take offence at that I am. What does it have to do with anything exactly?

And why'd you change your name DigiNut?

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Originally posted by TheNobleEu Are you here, in this political forum, because you "want everyone to agree with you?"

Well there's that and I'm also here to educate the people who dont agree with me, sometimes with hard facts, sometimes with insults, both seem to do the trick!

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Originally posted by Dervish I take offence at that I am. What does it have to do with anything exactly?

Well to be fair he was right!

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And why'd you change your name DigiNut?

Different dates of birth...

I dunno the fallacy comment, the fact that he's been here before, the lack of sence the over complication of the argument to distract from being wrong.....




And as for being lysdexic has nothing to do with

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The ratio of ADD extant around here is astonishing -- I can only conclude some people here are dyslexic....

my ADD is entirely separate from my crap handwritting.

And how could it be a ratio, with respect to what thouse without? And what is extant?

Has he considered that maybe he has "the lysdexia"? Just a heads up like.

(Just following the thread hi-jack he started to avoid the issue of not making sence)

I'll try to string some words togeather about the actual topic despite my grave affliction of dyslexia.


Bottom Line:

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Even with the rebate, Britain's net contribution - after taking account of farm subsidies and regional grants paid to the UK by the European Commission - has totalled more than �40bn over the years, a sum only exceeded by Germany and double the amount paid by the French.

>LINK<

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That is why he has launched a ferocious attack on the common agricultural policy, which eats up more than 40 per cent of the EU budget to support an industry that represents barely 2 per cent of the European economy. Most European countries, especially the Nordic states, see investing in high technology as the best way of resisting competition from China - and they are correct. In the end, Mr Blair will trade a reduction of the British rebate if he can end the waste of agricultural subsidies, although that may not happen until the end of the next EU budget round in 2013.

>LINK<

And the old arse was just bringing up the rebate to deflect (as alot of you have pointed out) the fact that he fucked up with respect to getting the constitution through.

What does DNA stand for?

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