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Originally posted by AnitA Finally!!! Someone on this AUTA i can agree with!! @ batemanscott - You get the "lets get extremely fucked up" crowd wherever you go these days. Funny how it always seems to be related to the people who listen to the 'harder' music, like the crowd at GK won't be off their heads LOL

Im not saying u dont get em everywhere, just that with the hard scene the percentage of munters like that is way higher than other genres.

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Originally posted by AnitA And funny your overseas friend said the 'hard dance' scene is dying out, when obviously, with such huge parties and djs in Europe, it's still kicking. You can't compare that to what we have here.

ur wrong there mate, the hard parties numbers are going backwards big time. look at dj mag top 100 for example, its a plain and simple popularity contest but how many hard djs do u see up there??

Hard is dying worldwide and we are only now catching up with the global trend.



*btw, im not having a go at the style or the ppl, just stating facts

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Originally posted by AnitA Finally!!! Someone on this AUTA i can agree with!!

Do you go to Bass Station to go see DJ Nick Compound? He plays hard dance..

i was actually suprised to see the line up, i think you must be very new here to be complaining about a lack of hard dance music, its certainly dominated last few years.

i agree taubs and anita, though the regulars of this forums aren't really into the harder stuff so its sorta like preaching to the deaf.
i think at the big raves should cater for all the popular edm styles. i dont think that harder djs should play on any main stages tho, the fact remains that uplifting/melodic/progressive trance is alot more popular. if someone like yoji were to close main arena at gk it would clear out pretty fast imo. But put someone like that in a side room in a prime timeslot and the atmosphere in the place would be amazing. anne savage last year at gods is an example of this. i think two the best parties ive been two achieved the perfect mix, kryal last year and digital this year. both event could cater for everyone.

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Originally posted by batemanscott ur wrong there mate, the hard parties numbers are going backwards big time. look at dj mag top 100 for example, its a plain and simple popularity contest but how many hard djs do u see up there?? Hard is dying worldwide and we are only now catching up with the global trend.

Never, ever use the DJ mag top 100 to support an arguement on Dance music. How many people here actually think ATB should be in the top 10? And populatiry contest it may be, but not even a good one at that. When 3000 people from montreal can vote in a block for one of their locals to make the list, how can it truely be a reflection of the millions listening to the music?

That poll has nothing to do with global trends or even regional ones when it comes to Dance music. How many jungle or drum and bass DJs were on that list? Yet Drum n' Bass is absolutely huge in Britain, and now in South America, argueably two of the greatest places to party in the world these days. It's just that most the DJs playing those gigs are merely locals and don't have the same international stature that uplifting trance or progressive DJs and that in no way indicates a struggling genre.

And as for hard trance attracting the 'wrong kind of crowd', most people who do break into the scene go thru a period where they become more interested in the drugs than the music. I've seen it for years, it was the candy kids listening to hardcore at the old toronto raves, and when our rave scene collapsed, the 'wrong crowd' became the e-tarded uplifting trance fans. Cut them some slack. Most of us have had a night or two where we've actually been embarassed at our own drug use. Hopefully after 6 months or so they'll grow out of that phase, and those who still love to party will be great people to support your scene for years to come.

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse I think for the harder stuff to survive, it has to get a bit smarter, a bit techier or something - if someone was to come out and be melbournes answer to marco v they would kill it.

Sounds like you guys are in dire need of some proper house, some vitamin Lawler. If you can just imagine hard music happening at less that 140BPM, then house might be for you.

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Originally posted by marsh Praying won't do it- seeking out and supporting your local guys and girls will.

+1. Strong scenes come from strong locals. Strong locals encourage good parites and good productions, good productions put a city on the map, and a city noted, is a city well supported by internationals.

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Originally posted by Fpcookie i agree taubs and anita, though the regulars of this forums aren't really into the harder stuff so its sorta like preaching to the deaf. i think at the big raves should cater for all the popular edm styles. i dont think that harder djs should play on any main stages tho, the fact remains that uplifting/melodic/progressive trance is alot more popular. if someone like yoji were to close main arena at gk it would clear out pretty fast imo. But put someone like that in a side room in a prime timeslot and the atmosphere in the place would be amazing. anne savage last year at gods is an example of this. i think two the best parties ive been two achieved the perfect mix, kryal last year and digital this year. both event could cater for everyone.

No shit dude, majority of AUTAs sure love their 'trance' and can't see anything beyond it.......

uplifting/melodic/progressive trance is becoming more commercial - worldwide - so obviously it's going to dominate the harder stuff.....nothing wrong with having the best of both though....And yes, Digital sure was a great party this year catering for the trance and house heads

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy Never, ever use the DJ mag top 100 to support an arguement on Dance music. How many people here actually think ATB should be in the top 10? And populatiry contest it may be, but not even a good one at that. When 3000 people from montreal can vote in a block for one of their locals to make the list, how can it truely be a reflection of the millions listening to the music? That poll has nothing to do with global trends or even regional ones when it comes to Dance music. How many jungle or drum and bass DJs were on that list? Yet Drum n' Bass is absolutely huge in Britain, and now in South America, argueably two of the greatest places to party in the world these days. It's just that most the DJs playing those gigs are merely locals and don't have the same international stature that uplifting trance or progressive DJs and that in no way indicates a struggling genre. And as for hard trance attracting the 'wrong kind of crowd', most people who do break into the scene go thru a period where they become more interested in the drugs than the music. I've seen it for years, it was the candy kids listening to hardcore at the old toronto raves, and when our rave scene collapsed, the 'wrong crowd' became the e-tarded uplifting trance fans. Cut them some slack. Most of us have had a night or two where we've actually been embarassed at our own drug use. Hopefully after 6 months or so they'll grow out of that phase, and those who still love to party will be great people to support your scene for years to come. Sounds like you guys are in dire need of some proper house, some vitamin Lawler. If you can just imagine hard music happening at less that 140BPM, then house might be for you. +1. Strong scenes come from strong locals. Strong locals encourage good parites and good productions, good productions put a city on the map, and a city noted, is a city well supported by internationals.

Couldn't have said it better myself Andy. Too much generalising eh

A few people have mentioned 'Australia is finally catching up' with the 'trance' scene.....Imagine if the house scene takes over....QUALITY house like you guys are blessed with in Canada. Australia needs a good dose of Danny Tenaglia, Lawler, Chus & Ceballos..just to name a few.....then there'd be no turning back..... You got me!

Andy.......just read your Sasha/Lawler review.......my God.....what a crazy party....Skybar would have been amazing, especially seeing them two tearing it apart together !!! WOW!! I need to go back to T.O.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy Never, ever use the DJ mag top 100 to support an arguement on Dance music. How many people here actually think ATB should be in the top 10? And populatiry contest it may be, but not even a good one at that.

Sly guy, it is a plain and simple " popularity" contest, which tells us what? you guessed it! "whats popular"!!!!! Atb sucks balls, but he's obviously popular, so my point is still on the money.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy And as for hard trance attracting the 'wrong kind of crowd', most people who do break into the scene go thru a period where they become more interested in the drugs than the music.

I live in Melbournes cbd and have the pleasure of watching melbournes little kandy kids gurn their heads off out the front of my apartment building every weekend.
I have been to quite a few hard nights and used to enjoy hard trance quite alot so i also have had the pleasure of seeing first hand how fucked up the "majority" get at hard nights. I didnt say other genres have none of this, just far far less and they are not as openly munted in public every weekend.

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Originally posted by Sly_Guy +1. Strong scenes come from strong locals. Strong locals encourage good parites and good productions, good productions put a city on the map, and a city noted, is a city well supported by internationals.

Thank god you finished witht that comment, i almost thought you weren't the smart guy i first thought. Big +1^^

Slinky (Fergie & BK) was only nine days ago. How quickly we forget.

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Originally posted by Ghostface Slinky (Fergie & BK) was only nine days ago. How quickly we forget.

exactly ^^ , if only i could forget quicker

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Originally posted by Ghostface Slinky (Fergie & BK) was only nine days ago. How quickly we forget.

how was it, btw? i'm suprised you didnt put up a review thread! -- i thought you went?

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Originally posted by batemanscott Sly guy, it is a plain and simple " popularity" contest, which tells us what? you guessed it! "whats popular"!!!!! Atb sucks balls, but he's obviously popular, so my point is still on the money.

My point is, is that 3000 people can influence the outcome of a poll which is suppost to be representitive of millions? Seems like the cross section of the polled clubbing populace is woefully undersized.

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I live in Melbournes cbd and have the pleasure of watching melbournes little kandy kids gurn their heads off out the front of my apartment building every weekend. I have been to quite a few hard nights and used to enjoy hard trance quite alot so i also have had the pleasure of seeing first hand how fucked up the "majority" get at hard nights. I didnt say other genres have none of this, just far far less and they are not as openly munted in public every weekend.

we have the EXACT same situation in Toronto with what we like to refer as 'the cracked out asians'. A lot of the more experienced clubbers here [househeads, breakers, jungalists] refer to people like these in the exact same fashion your are doing now. It's not that drugs aren't prevalent in the house/jungle/breaks scene here, it's just the drug use is a little less obvious, or out of control. Cut em some slack, the young ones will learn, and they'll be all the better for it. But the fact is, if you like dance music, you will be around drugs and excessive drug use, whether it be by hard trancers or fluff trancers. So instead of letting it ruin your night, just either ignore it or laugh it off, because there's nothing you can truely do to stop it. And if you do havbe a problem with it, then maybe that particular scene isn't for you.

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Originally posted by tachyon how was it, btw? i'm suprised you didnt put up a review thread! -- i thought you went?

Shithouse.

Fuck me dead that was an ugly crowd. I dont think any drug available anywhere in the world could have made that an enjoyable night.




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JPL - Yeah i do agree with your point of view! Would love to see some more Marco V inspired tech-trance acts making an impact on the melbourne scene or the world scene for that matter. Bit concerned about his leaning towards house/progressive(??).

well said!

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Originally posted by xtractorfan JPL - Yeah i do agree with your point of view! Would love to see some more Marco V inspired tech-trance acts making an impact on the melbourne scene or the world scene for that matter. Bit concerned about his leaning towards house/progressive(??).

the thing is the sort of style that guys like marco v/eddie halliwell/john askew play is not for everyone. many can appreciate trance, but not all can appreciate the harder 'tek' side of their sets. second issue is the supporting acts. pharmacy parties are generally good with mixed tek/trance styles but on the past two occasions the trance is leaning towards the hardstyle which can do our heads in.

I thought i had tinitus (spelling?) after the last pharmacy event.. the ringing in my ears didn't go away for almost 4 days afterwards! Not a pleasant experience.

BTW you just listed 3 DJ's i absolutely love to hear live. I dont think one style of music will ever be appreciated by everyone. I can't really appreciate much hardstyle, 90%+ of hardstyle productions are utter shit, it takes a lot of searching to find the few 'good' tracks in existence.

The event with Thomas Krome looks pretty cool, Organ Donors have a lot of fun behind the decks which translates to fun on the dancefloor! Too bad The Metro's dancefloor is virtually non-existent and therefore i will be as well at this particular pharmacy.

I had a great time at Slinky, if some of you hated it, more fool you for going.

Master Kaos was atrocious. His tracks were all stale uplifting trance numbers. Don't know what was going on there. Murder was the bass sounded fucking awesome on the big system though. His scratching which is normally really good sounded terrible as well.

Fergie played a bit minimal and very twisted for the first hour before building it up and banging it out for the rest of his set. He was awesome. Dropped a couple of old school tracks amongst some of the most banging Swedish techno going round. I couldn't fault him, he was wicked and exactly what I was hoping for. He was dancing round during his set and during BK's set he came out on stage dancing with a bongo drum and then some angel wings. Total legend.

BK played a bit more of a party set but it was still more towards the banging techy trance he plays nowadays instead of the hard house he used to play. He was awesome as well.

The worst thing about the night was the sound. I think they had the bass way too high and were pushing it far too hard. Most of the high and mids were drowned out by the bass which was distorting crazily even by midway through fergie's set, so you can imagine what it was like by 7am. I had custom molded earplugs in and it was still far too loud.


Kaos
Dido - sand in my shoes (A&B)
rank 1 - breathing (breaks dub)
fred baker - total blackout
dk8 - murder was the bass (reworked)
cohen vs deluxe - just kick
firewall - sincere (pulser mix)
tiesto - love comes again (mark norman mix)
placebo � every you every me (brothers in rhythm mix)

Ferg
Alter Ego � Rocker (eric prydz mix)
Beyer & lenk ft Tiga - Heartbreaker
signum - what ya got for me
storm - time to burn
passive resistance � praiseworthy tunes

BK
loops and tings vs just kick (judge jules booty)
dirty stopouts - smells like teen spirit
cirez d � control freak
age of love � age of love
masif djs - no good for me
energy 52 - cafe del mar (marco v mix)
bk � revolution
dk8 � murder was the bass (chris liebing mix)
yves deruyter - born slippy

LOL @ "preaching to the deaf" on this site..


Hahahahahaaha! SO TRUE!

fark fergie started minimal and belting swedish tek towards the end? that must've been wicked!!

Yes. Yes it was.

hehe. "kaos played some stale uplifting trance numbers"

****

fergie played

"signum - what ya got for me"
"storm - time to burn"

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Originally posted by Heidi_Fleiss LOL @ "preaching to the deaf" on this site.. Hahahahahaaha! SO TRUE!

LOL @ some idea that listening to hard dance gives you musical prowess over anything.

No, you do not have a wide range of taste because you listen to trance & prog & hard dance & drum and bass & some other "EDM".

Man thats so gay.

Im offically now against anything that you can dance to.

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Originally posted by DaveBegic fergie played "signum - what ya got for me" "storm - time to burn"

yeah fair call, though Fergie got to #8 on the dj mag poll when he played hard house so when he is #1 headliner at Slinky, it�s fair enough that he drops a couple of big tracks from that period. I don�t think anyone could argue two classic hard house tracks in two and a half hours is much of an issue anyway.

Kaos still sucked. Sand In My Shoes and Breathing? he should go to the bass station naughty room for that.

what ya got for me = classic hard house? wtf?

Ya got 4 me is not Hard house. IMO tho.

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