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Originally posted by arnoldjch The American meadia over exagerrates things and lies A LOT. Its sad that many Americans fall for everything they say. THE MEDIA IS RESPONSIBLE FOR HOW WE VIEW THE WORLD, and i wouldnt always blame the American media always also the Euro, although all of the news channel the one i trust the most is BBC News. But still all of you people view America as a country of lies, imperealist etc. This is a country that allows citizens to do almost what the hell they want, in a free society crazy shiet happens like serial killers emerge because the govt. dosent get to involve with civilians and their way of living.

I would say, BBC and CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation)

Good points.

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burning the flag of your nation is disrespectful.

That's exactly the point. Why else would you burn it? Warmth?

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showing that you dont care for the freedom you are enjoying today.

Or rather the contrary - disrespecting the flag and all it represents simply because you do value your freedoms.

It's just a piece of cloth dammit. And there's nothing wrong with burning it. It's a form of free speech and political protest (agaisnt the state, not the people).

Are we allowed to burn things in public areas? For example if I brought out a bunch of various flags of no common origin and decided to start burning them all in my neighborhood park would that be legal or would I be arrested for starting a fire in the first place? In that case would that mean you could only burn the flag in your own private property?

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Are we allowed to burn things in public areas?

sure, in designated areas. for instance in bbq pits or grills in public parks and beaches

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil For example if I brought out a bunch of various flags of no common origin and decided to start burning them all in my neighborhood park would that be legal or would I be arrested for starting a fire in the first place?

that would depend where you burned them. if you burned them in a dseginated area, then no. if didn't burned them in a designated area, such as the sidewalk, then you may be arrested. although you may be able to defend yourself citing the 1st amendment, but probably not if you were burning them to keep warm

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil In that case would that mean you could only burn the flag in your own private property?

no. but even then, you could be arrested and defend yourself citing the first amendment, or not.

confusing? :/

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange sure, in designated areas. for instance in bbq pits or grills in public parks and beaches

So burning is only confined to very restricted areas such as bbq pits and grills. You couldn't just take something and burn it in the middle of the park or out on a public street.

Seems to me anyways that they say, sure you can burn a flag anywhere you want, however you really can't burn anything in a public area without being arrested so you really can't burn a flag anywhere without being arrested.

It is quite confusing the boundaries between what is legal and isn't.

Crap like this (as well as the screwup in Iraq and the religious wackoness we've seen over stuff like stem cell research, etc) is why the republicans are going to lose BIG in 2006 and 2008.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil So burning is only confined to very restricted areas such as bbq pits and grills. You couldn't just take something and burn it in the middle of the park or out on a public street. Seems to me anyways that they say, sure you can burn a flag anywhere you want, however you really can't burn anything in a public area without being arrested so you really can't burn a flag anywhere without being arrested. It is quite confusing the boundaries between what is legal and isn't.

in some places, things are legal, unless banned by law. in others, things are illegal, unless made legal by law. assuming that you're in the former, if you want to burn a flag you have several choices:

1) burn it on private property and not risk arrest (but here you could run afould of local nuisance and zoning laws);

2) burn it on public property that is designated for burning like a bbq pit outdoor grill etc., and not risk arrest;

3) burn it on public property not designated for burning things and risk getting cited for arson or the like (but here you may be able to defend against an arson (or whatever charge) by claiming your 1st amendent right. (i think this is how it would come into play.) its fact specific though and limited tho.

i don't think a judge would think that you're exercising your right to free speech if you soaked 100 flags with gasoline and light a bonfire visible for city blocks. on the other hand if, you burned one flag you probably could easily defend that as an exercise of free speech. accordingly, you probably wouldn't get arrested at all. that is, of course, if it is prohibited by the constitutional amendemnt.

its peculiar tho, because the constituion and some amendments were written to protect the individual from the gov't. this 'amendment' would protect an inanimate object from the people. wierd :/

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange in some places, things are legal, unless banned by law. in others, things are illegal, unless made legal by law. assuming that you're in the former, if you want to burn a flag you have several choices: 1) burn it on private property and not risk arrest (but here you could run afould of local nuisance and zoning laws); 2) burn it on public property that is designated for burning like a bbq pit outdoor grill etc., and not risk arrest; 3) burn it on public property not designated for burning things and risk getting cited for arson or the like (but here you may be able to defend against an arson (or whatever charge) by claiming your 1st amendent right. (i think this is how it would come into play.) its fact specific though and limited tho. i don't think a judge would think that you're exercising your right to free speech if you soaked 100 flags with gasoline and light a bonfire visible for city blocks. on the other hand if, you burned one flag you probably could easily defend that as an exercise of free speech. accordingly, you probably wouldn't get arrested at all. that is, of course, if it is prohibited by the constitutional amendemnt. its peculiar tho, because the constituion and some amendments were written to protect the individual from the gov't. this 'amendment' would protect an inanimate object from the people. wierd :/

Lets say you're at a protest against the Iraq war or something, and you decide to burn the US flag. If you were to bring along one of those portable bbq's and burn your flag in it (while cookin up some mean burgers) you'd be getting away with it.. no dramas, true?

How often do you spot your neighbor burning his American flag in his front lawn while spitting at a replica of Bush's face?

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Well, I've never seen it happen; has it already become illegal?

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My thoughts on the American flag burning debate are quite simple. Our country stands for many things. Some of them very positive (freedom of speech, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, etc.), others horrible (curruption, tryanny, war, murder, etc.). I don't believe we are known as a country full of flag burning lunatics.

Does burning the flag damage our image as the United States? Sure, but so does going overseas and fighting war after unjustified interventionist war. We seem to pride ourselves on activities that seem insane, and then question things that are harmless. The freedoms that this country stands for are being attacked, and we need to stand up for what we think is important and what should be looked at. The REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED Congress, along with their dictator needs to wise up and learn from their democratic COUNTERPARTS and actually begin focusing on legislation and the war. They need to stop their quest for complete world domination, and try and help our country. Making the flag burn illegal would do absolutely nothing in the long run. It would get overtuned as soon as we kick these bastards out of office in 2006/2008!

I guess you see where I'm coming from in regards to politics, eh.

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Statement from Dupz via his spokesman I have a few greivances to air. First, the people I hate: 1. Mormons (They're tools) 2. Christians (Isn't it obvious why?) 3. Catholics (The Pope sucks) 4. St_Andrew (Gets all the hot ewes) The people I like: 1. Jews (They killed Jesus) 2. Nazis (They killed Jews) 3. Muslims (They like to blow things up) 4. Renegade (He's so dreamy!) More people I hate: 1. The rest of you turds. End communication.

Does Dupz hate lil' ol' me as well?



I reserve the right to burn WHATEVER the hell I want WHENEVER the hell I want via the First Ammendment. Burning the flag is a sign of protest, arnoldjch, in case you didn't realize that. You just said that it's okay to protest, but now you're saying that it's okay to protest, however, not like that. So... let me get this straight, I should pass all my forms of protesting before you, in case you find it offensive? I think not.

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Originally posted by dubblies Does burning the flag damage our image as the United States? Sure, but so does going overseas and fighting war after unjustified interventionist war. We seem to pride ourselves on activities that seem insane, and then question things that are harmless. The freedoms that this country stands for are being attacked, and we need to stand up for what we think is important and what should be looked at. The REPUBLICAN CONTROLLED Congress, along with their dictator needs to wise up and learn from their democratic COUNTERPARTS and actually begin focusing on legislation and the war. They need to stop their quest for complete world domination, and try and help our country. Making the flag burn illegal would do absolutely nothing in the long run. It would get overtuned as soon as we kick these bastards out of office in 2006/2008!

"We'll kick him out in November" - Liquid X, a year ago.
What are you anti-Bush people doing to change things? From where I'm sitting it seems as though the neo-cons has a very efficient machine running, with subliminal messages everywhere. As a foreigner I notice them, but I think that the average American does not, but takes in the message of being under threat and that only the good old patriots in the GOP can keep them safe. And where's the response from those of you who can see through it? In news-papers, magazines, and on the net, and always in lengthy prose that the stupid amongst you will not read, or find patronizing. You people need to sway the stupid, and you're not doing it right now.

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Originally posted by trancaholic "We'll kick him out in November" - Liquid X, a year ago. What are you anti-Bush people doing to change things? From where I'm sitting it seems as though the neo-cons has a very efficient machine running, with subliminal messages everywhere. As a foreigner I notice them, but I think that the average American does not, but takes in the message of being under threat and that only the good old patriots in the GOP can keep them safe. And where's the response from those of you who can see through it? In news-papers, magazines, and on the net, and always in lengthy prose that the stupid amongst you will not read, or find patronizing. You people need to sway the stupid, and you're not doing it right now.

No, it's happening, just 8 months too late unfortunately.

Bush's approval is down to 42. Tied for the lowest rating since he's been President. No President has ever been re-elected with lower than a 45 I believe. Bush's was 48-ish or 49-ish in November.

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Originally posted by Dupz Lets say you're at a protest against the Iraq war or something, and you decide to burn the US flag. If you were to bring along one of those portable bbq's and burn your flag in it (while cookin up some mean burgers) you'd be getting away with it.. no dramas, true?

if you exercising your right to free speech then yes, you could probably 'get away with it', bbq or no bbq. if you're NOT exercising you're right to free speech, then it would probably be illegal if not in the bbq. whether it's illegal in the bbq would depends if you can bbq at the protest site.

however, if the amendement passes, then it would be illegal anywhere. is that clear?

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