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Posted by ijozef on Jul-05-2005 21:41:

Very useful Dave,now can you recomand a good samples CD,library...
the VEC is a little hard for me

Posted by Dave West on Jul-05-2005 22:04:

quote:
Originally posted by DigiNut
Can I clarify two things here:

1. Eq after compression or before?

2. When you say "notch", are you actually referring to cutting away that very tiny band around 800 Hz? Or should I be thinking more along the lines of boosting a range of frequencies in that area (bandpass), and if so, what would you say is a good starting point for the gain and Q factor?

Looks like some kick ass advice here, thanks!

1 - EQ always before, if after, the limiting gets screwed

2 - Yes, at 800 or wherever that sample needs it. Most need a cut of between 9 and 18db on a q of 1. Just move the eq band from around 300-800 and it should just pop out. I typically cut the whole 18db at either 400 or 800, again depending on the sample.

I never boost kick drum frequencies - anywhere. Remember a cut a 800 will provide a boost at 1k.

As for samples. For the non-kick stuff I use raw 909 samples from the Drum Fundamentals CD.

For kicks, I quite like all of the Uberschall stuff. I don't like anything too effected. Also stay away from anything that has already been through the processing mill.

Posted by DigiNut on Jul-05-2005 23:59:

Much obliged Dave.

I tried it on the track I've been working on - doesn't seem to be packing significantly more heat than what I was doing before (compressor + leveller on the kick + multiband compressor with heavy bass compression on the master track), but I have a lot of kicks of unknown origin so who knows what's already been done to it...

Nonetheless, thanks again, this page is going on my bookmarks.

Posted by PDM on Jul-07-2005 18:52:

Good, now the problem would be to get those mono kicks, or would work if I use a stereo kick, use the stereo enhancer and set it at -100 and render? I don't know.... maybe?

Posted by Chronosis on Jul-07-2005 19:09:

Posted by PDM on Jul-07-2005 19:58:

Yes, Wavelab.

Posted by Chronosis on Jul-07-2005 20:18:

quote:
Originally posted by PDM
Yes, Wavelab.

Well there must be a channel converter. Try to search for it.

Posted by PDM on Jul-07-2005 22:29:

I see, thank you for the info mate.

Posted by DigiNut on Jul-07-2005 22:33:

quote:
Originally posted by PDM
Good, now the problem would be to get those mono kicks, or would work if I use a stereo kick, use the stereo enhancer and set it at -100 and render? I don't know.... maybe?

If you're using Cubase, the easiest way I can think of would be just to route it to a mono group channel and put the compressors/effects on the group. Same concept in FL I believe.

That's if you've got a big library of stereo kicks and you don't want to go through the trouble of converting them all to mono.

Edit: I missed where you said you have wavelab, even if you've got a whole shitload of kicks, you can just use Wavelab to batch process them down to mono.

Posted by WinterWave on Jul-08-2005 22:36:

tested in FL Studio 5, works like a charm... very nice post mate!

Posted by Reactance on Jul-11-2005 10:43:

Ya ! wtf:

Posted by Dj Pyster on Jul-12-2005 11:02:

Sounds great man, tryed it out in FLStudio, works like a charm.

Posted by Liquid8 on Jul-12-2005 13:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Dave West
Here's the same basic loop but this time done in Cubase using the TC Native compressor.

http://www.dwsounds.com/music/kick_...mple_cubase.mp3

Both loops have been "Mastered" using the TC Powercore Master X3 but you can get the same result using the VintageWarmer or Waves L2/L3.

Mastering in this sense, is just a temporary fix to get the track levels to demo standard. If you do indeed write the next Ibiza Floor-Filler then it's safe to assume that you won't be mastering it.

ok, just checked the samples...

damn, how can you give advices on making a "PERFECT kick" if yours doesn't sound right ? Do you really think that you made a pro-sounding 'perfect' kick ??
Compare your kick to Lange's, Pulser's, Above & Beyond's kicks and you'll understand what I mean

No offence, but I just don't understand why you're giving advices on something you have to learn yourself

Posted by Dave West on Jul-12-2005 13:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Liquid8
No offence, but I just don't understand why you're giving advices on something you have to learn yourself

http://www.dwsounds.com/music/music_remix_96k.mp3

Posted by Liquid8 on Jul-12-2005 13:57:

quote:
Originally posted by Dave West
http://www.dwsounds.com/music/music_remix_96k.mp3

and so what ?
just another amateur remix

Posted by Tech0rz on Jul-12-2005 21:30:

Re: The Perfect Kick - Here's How

quote:
Originally posted by Dave West
The Kick and Bass must be compressed together.
So create a stereo Group in Cubase or a stereo Bus object in Logic.
Set the kick channel output to that group or bus.

Anyway to do this in FL Studio?

Posted by ijozef on Jul-12-2005 23:25:

Re: Re: The Perfect Kick - Here's How

quote:
Originally posted by Tech0rz
Anyway to do this in FL Studio?

sure u can,Send each track to it own FX(i.e. kick to FX1 and bass to FX2)and the output of FX1 and FX2 to FX3.
Cheers!

Posted by Tech0rz on Jul-12-2005 23:29:

easy as that

Cheers!

Posted by Reactance on Jul-13-2005 06:30:

Its people like u that make this forum bad why dont u show us a better remix huh and if u cant f off man to some other forum if u think u a pro !
Big up to the guy that posted this cool thread !

Posted by Speactra on Jul-13-2005 09:21:

Reactance: I think that you're talking about the same person

I don't take this thread to serious, I have my own ways to make "my sound". But it gave me some ideas to improve that Thx Dave!

Posted by Dave West on Jul-13-2005 09:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Speactra
Reactance: I think that you're talking about the same person

I think he's talking to Liquid8, who seems to find amateurism a bit offensive.

Posted by Tech0rz on Jul-13-2005 12:28:

Theres no such thing as the perfect kick, anyone with any understanding of EDM will know that. But the post can help you get your perfect kick (or close to) for your song, if you utilise the information to its full effect. Of course you make your own changes, but the thread wouldn't of sparked as much interest if the title was "The better than average kick - Here's how"

Yea?

Posted by Dave West on Jul-13-2005 12:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Tech0rz
Yea?

Absolutely.

The point of the thread was to help those (you needed it it) to move from trial-an-error to the beginnings of a more structured approach. Then as you say, move on from there.

Posted by Liquid8 on Jul-13-2005 12:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Reactance
Its people like u that make this forum bad why dont u show us a better remix huh and if u cant f off man to some other forum if u think u a pro !
Big up to the guy that posted this cool thread !

I never said I was a pro. That's why I do not give advices on how to make a 'perfect kick' But I still have my ears opened and I'm allowed to have my own opinion.

I think the person who posted the tutorial has a lot to learn, because his kicks are reeeeally far from being pro and perfect But he really thinks he made a pro-sounding kick (and remix) so he's allowed to teach people here.

And here's an example of a REAL professional kick

SAMPLE

Just compare this with Dave's "PERFECT kick"

Cheers

Posted by Dave West on Jul-13-2005 13:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Liquid8
And here's an example of a REAL professional kick

Just compare this with Dave's "PERFECT kick"
Cheers

So this is Pro then? Well now, there's a lesson for us all. As a matter of interest - I've lined up your "Pro" kick alongside mine from my Music Remix and Darude's kick from "Feel The Beat".

Listen to the comparison here

No question mate, yours has that Pro touch, no doubt about it.
Yeah - In a parallel universe maybe. One that's populated by the hard-of hearing.

You're clearly suffering from a chronic hearing disability - wash those ears out mate.

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