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crikey, which one is radagast?

Saw sasha 3 weeks ago, and the set was 75% dirty assed basslines. Needless to say I fucking loved every second of it.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 crikey, which one is radagast?

haha isn't it obvious?

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue Check out this liveset. It is my personal favorite and definitely gives a representation of what dirty music sounds like. -Hernan Cattaneo - Live at Mixmasters (June 6, 2002)

What i've heard from Hernan so far is really quite different from what i consider "dirty". More like nice atmospheric prog house. Anyway, haven't heard that particular set, he could have played a totally different mood there.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 Minimal for me, sorry. These last couple bandwagons have brought some excellent music IMO, i guess it'll eventually reach the overloaded point like progressive did, but so far i've been loving it. Lawler isn't bad tho.

see i don't know where i stand on this because i definitely think that the little electro craze and minimal stuff has brought some great tunes too. i'm pretty picky about the glitchy techno type stuff though...it has to be high quality for me to like it just like all the other genres...


but i've really liked what dj's have been playing lately...sasha, lawler, sander, zabs...etc...i like all of that stuff...

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue IMO, there is no "gimmick" and I never really associated naughty behavior with the dirtyness of a track. I could see how you would jump to that conclusion, but I think it is way off. The "dirtyness" of a track refers to the overall tone and vibe it gives off. To start, tribal house and much of the older Twilo progressive house as well as some tech/deep house sound like this and you really need to properly listen to it to get a sense for what elements comprise this sound. I'm sure what is considered dirty to one person is not to another, so I'll try to break it down from my experience. I'd say that one main characteristic which makes a track dirty is its groove. The percussion and low rumbling bass are crafted in a way that a tight and very danceable foundation is formed. If anything, the gimmick would revolve around the ability to dance rather than being a sexual ass. Another thing that seems prevalent is the tone. Many of these tracks have sort of a brooding, dark tribal feel which is accentuated by the use of certain synths and pads. I like to think of the synths to be almost industrial and warehouse sounding and that gives some nice substance to the percussion already going on. Vocal effects, reverb, and middle eastern chants/sounds add even more depth and the combination is one that results in a wicked sounding tune. The vocals could be haunting in nature or more of a Deep Dish style affair. Also, the pads and melodies that are present are not the obnoxious in-your-face shit that sounds like something from the early days of Nintendo. They are more layered, subtle, and interlocked than that of other types of dance music. Of course not all the tracks classified as being dirty are completely dark. Some have more of a lighter feeling, such as Tarrentella & Redanka's Instrumental of Datar's track "U". It just depends on the track. Maybe someone else can help me out here because it is kind of hard to explain. Check out this liveset. It is my personal favorite and definitely gives a representation of what dirty music sounds like. -Hernan Cattaneo - Live at Mixmasters (June 6, 2002) Also, check out stuff from Chus & Ceballos, Steve Porter's earlier work/remixes, Lexicon Avenue, and Satoshi Tomiie as well as Steve Lawler, Danny Tenaglia, and Behrouz.

spot on.

UnWorldly,

I don't know how to describe the difference between the way the genres sound, but I know its dirty when it makes me say "dude this is fuckin' siiiiiiick". You get this evil grooving feeling in you.

Try this tune on for size : Lil Mo' Yin Yang - Reach (Little More Mix). Nothing really crazy but it should give you a hint of the difference.

mmmm.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 What i've heard from Hernan so far is really quite different from what i consider "dirty". More like nice atmospheric prog house. Anyway, haven't heard that particular set, he could have played a totally different mood there.

Yeah, I agree. His newer sound is more on the atmospheric side, which still sounds quite nice. The set I listed is from 3 years ago and back then, at least from what I can tell, he played more of the groovy and dirty prog house. Hernan's a great dj, nonetheless.

About the original topic, I don't know. I'm somewhat on the fence. I would REALLY love to see the prog scene go back to the 2000-2003ish sound and take things dark, dirty, and deep again instead of what prog has become over the last year and a half or so. As for tribal, I'm enjoying the whole Chus & Ceballos "Iberican House" sound and that has been giving me plenty of the dirty vibes. As for the tech/minimal/electro sound right now, I do enjoy some of it but not all of it. I'd consider GU:027 to be on the minimal and electro side at times and I have fully enjoyed that mix. Desyn Masiello's Bedrock cd I liked as well. However, Balance 007 and Fabric 20 by Fortier and Diggers I can't get into. I don't care much for the really, really glitchy and techy sound. I prefer more of the deep house sound, such as stuff from the Moon Harbour label and tracks like "Le Champagne" by Trentemoller if it's more of a tech house tip.

So, let the dirtyness return to progressive, but other than that, I'm pretty much set.

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