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Posted by trancaholic on Jul-07-2005 15:17:

quote:
Muslim leaders join condemnation

Muslim women in headscarves are warned to be vigilant
Muslim leaders have condemned the attacks on London and said they fear their communities could now fall prey to vigilante attacks.
Muslim Association of Britain president Ahmed Sheikh said the attacks would make the Muslim community less safe.
He said women in headscarves might be in particular danger and warned all Muslims to be especially vigilant.
Muslim News editor Ahmed Versi noted one of London's biggest Muslim areas, around Aldgate, had been targeted.
Mr Sheikh said the unique good relationship Muslims had with the government and society was threatened.
"The person who did this was targeting along with wider British society the Muslim community, ruining the good relationship we have."
He said the police should consider extra protection for mosques and Islamic schools and said Muslims, particularly women in headscarves, should be vigilant and avoid unnecessary journeys.
"It is scary. A tiny element of the community will make use of this. It is a blow to us, to all of us. It is a moment of sadness and we send our condolences to the families of those who have been killed or injured."
Sir Iqbal Sacranie of the Muslim Council of Britain said he utterly condemned the attacks.
"We are simply appalled and want to express our deepest condolences to the families.
"These terrorists, these evil peoplewant to demoralise us as a nation and divide us.
"All of must unite in helping the police to hunt these murderers down."
Mr Sacranie admitted "there may well be elements who want to exploit this tragedy and incite hatred".
Attacks danger
Mr Versi said he had already received one threatening e-mail about the blasts.
"There might be some increase in attacks on the Muslim community especially visible aspects of Islam like mosques, community centres and women with headscarves.
"Recently there have been a lot of attacks on Muslim women on buses in London, it has increased during the last few months."
But he said the immediate Muslim revulsion at the attacks could help calm the situation.
"I don't think there'll be as high a number of attacks as after 11 September because Muslims have come out very strongly, especially Muslim leaders, condemning the attacks.
"I'm sure many Muslims will have been injured as well... one of the bombs - at Aldgate - was near to the east London mosque, it's a very heavy Muslim area.
"Muslims have to be vigilant now, especially the mosques, and I hope the police will increase security on mosques and Islamic centres."
Other religious leaders also offered their condolences and condemned the attack.
Chief Rabbi Sir Jonathan Sacks said: "These terrible events have brought home to us the full evil that terror represents.
"It is not the weapon of the weak against the strong but the rage of the angry against the defenceless and innocent. It is an evil means to an evil end.
"I will be asking all our congregations to say special prayers for the victims and their families this Sabbath. We grieve for the dead, pray for the injured and share our tears with the bereaved."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660411.stm

Good to see islamic leaders acting quickly on this one.


Posted by MisterOpus1 on Jul-07-2005 15:20:

Damn. All I can say, at least for now. My heart goes out to the Brits.


Posted by Cyrus King on Jul-07-2005 15:36:

you religious people have a truly fuked up god.


Posted by Dupz on Jul-07-2005 15:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
you religious people have a truly fuked up god.


I didnt know we had any Islamic extremist tranceaddicts


Posted by Lebezniatnikov on Jul-07-2005 16:22:

I just woke up a little while ago and saw the news first thing. I'm truly sorry...

I was going to ask yesterday if the US could borrow Tony Blair for a couple of years... but I suppose you'll be needing him now.


Posted by jonSun on Jul-07-2005 16:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
you religious people have a truly fuked up god.


I bet your throwing a party tonight.


Posted by shaolin_Z on Jul-07-2005 17:12:

This just ruined my day (probably my week, and my month). My deepest condolences to the British people, the vitims, and their families. When is this fucking madness going to stop?


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Jul-07-2005 18:00:

Egypt's envoy in Iraq killed

As if we needed more, "Egypt's top envoy to Iraq, Ihab al-Sherif, has been killed, the country's information ministry confirmed Thursday.

The announced came after a Web posting attributed to al Qaeda in Iraq claimed the diplomat was dead.

"We, the al Qaeda in the land of the two rivers, announce that the verdict of God against the ambassador of the infidels, the ambassador of Egypt, has been executed, praise be to God," the statement said."


Posted by Phil r on Jul-07-2005 18:51:

if this is to do with the olympics (and i don't really think it is...) if you were in paris, would you be feeling a bit fukd up right now?

because if they put bombs in both cities to explode depending on who won, that means there's a load of un detonated bombs in paris :|


Posted by shaolin_Z on Jul-07-2005 19:18:

quote:
Originally posted by Cyrus King
you religious people have a truly fuked up god.


Cyrus, where've you been man? Haven't seen you on the forums in a while.


Posted by Michael19 on Jul-07-2005 19:40:

quote:
Originally posted by Phil raa
if this is to do with the olympics (and i don't really think it is...) if you were in paris, would you be feeling a bit fukd up right now?

because if they put bombs in both cities to explode depending on who won, that means there's a load of un detonated bombs in paris :|




no chance in hell this was olympic related i think.


More to coincide with the G8 summit. I suppose the olympic announced was just a bonus.


Posted by hardcore trancer on Jul-07-2005 19:53:

quote:
Originally posted by jonSun
I bet your throwing a party tonight.


why?because he hates extremism?


Posted by George Smiley on Jul-07-2005 20:13:

God I thought we'd escaped all the bullshit about al-Qaida but I was wrong!

Just seen the Charles Clarke (Home Secretary) interview and they asked him whether this attack might have had anything to do with the UK involvement in Iraq...

He said that they would have attacked us anyway. He said their aim is to destroy our democracy and way of life! He says that Spain was attacked in Madrid and they only had a little bit to do with Iraq (!)

Mi5 and the police are subserviant to the Home Office - go figure why nobody had a clue about this with this joker in charge of them!

Surely the BBC can find someone who knows what they are talking about?! Here's a hint...dont ask politicians!


Posted by Spacey Orange on Jul-07-2005 20:16:

i find it totally f'n ridculous that high-level politicians are saying that this is attack on all of the nations, the civilized world, and humanity and the that the attacks are indiscriminate and against innocent civilians. bollocks.

1. the attacks were not against all nations. they were against england, a 'coalition' country. non-coalition countries were not attacked.

2. the attacks were not 'indiscriminate'. see above.

3. the attacks were not against innocent civilians. the english just re-elected tony blair. they had a chance to throw him out but they didn't.

i feel sorry for the people that lost loved ones and the injured, but not the nation (if that's at all possible.)


Posted by shaolin_Z on Jul-07-2005 20:34:

quote:
Originally posted by George Smiley
God I thought we'd escaped all the bullshit about al-Qaida but I was wrong!

Just seen the Charles Clarke (Home Secretary) interview and they asked him whether this attack might have had anything to do with the UK involvement in Iraq...

He said that they would have attacked us anyway. He said their aim is to destroy our democracy and way of life! He says that Spain was attacked in Madrid and they only had a little bit to do with Iraq (!)

Mi5 and the police are subserviant to the Home Office - go figure why nobody had a clue about this with this joker in charge of them!

Surely the BBC can find someone who knows what they are talking about?! Here's a hint...dont ask politicians!


quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i find it totally f'n ridculous that high-level politicians are saying that this is attack on all of the nations, the civilized world, and humanity and the that the attacks are indiscriminate and against innocent civilians. bollocks.


Well ofcourse politicians will say that. They're trying to divert attention from the real reaons of the attocity to generate support for their policies. They take advantage of the fear and anger caused by such events to generate public support for their proposed policies and solutions. It's not very hard to manipulate a scared and angry public. It's called propoganda. I forgot who said this but, "Propaganda is to democracy what violence is to totalitarianism."

And rightnow, we're seeing it at work. Expect lots of bullshit answers from politicians and people in power. Expect them to play on your emotions. Expect them to say things that will fuel anger and hatred.

Atleast some people are aware of the motivations for such attrocities:

quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange
1. the attacks were not against all nations. they were against england, a 'coalition' country. non-coalition countries were not attacked.

2. the attacks were not 'indiscriminate'. see above.

3. the attacks were not against innocent civilians. the english just re-elected tony blair. they had a chance to throw him out but they didn't.

i feel sorry for the people that lost loved ones and the injured, but not the nation (if that's at all possible.)


Posted by Phil r on Jul-07-2005 20:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Michael19
no chance in hell this was olympic related i think.


More to coincide with the G8 summit. I suppose the olympic announced was just a bonus.


yeah....i agree.


Posted by squirrelly on Jul-07-2005 20:57:

I just woke up and that's the main headline on Washington Post. Imagine waking up, still kind of not all there yet, and getting online out of habit and seeing those pictures and the huge 'LONDON BOMBING' headline. I was a bit thrown off. I don't think it has anything to do with the Olympics to be honest, it's just good timing. And the death toll numbers are going to be off for a little while, everyone's just making assumptions for now, I'm sure we'll find out the real numbers later on tonight.


Posted by Q5echo on Jul-07-2005 21:09:

London has seen 126 terrorist attacks in recent history by not just the IRA. Popular front for Liberation, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad and now Al Quaeda apparentlty. so don't you kids start suckin each others dicks being Islamic Extremist appologists for something as coherent as indescriminate mass murder. the same coherency the WORLD has experienced for decades from these "assholes of the fringe"

this statement here is the dumbest knee-jerk i've seen so far about this though

quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange
the attacks were not against innocent civilians. the english just re-elected tony blair. they had a chance to throw him out but they didn't.


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Jul-07-2005 21:11:

quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i find it totally f'n ridculous that high-level politicians are saying that this is attack on all of the nations, the civilized world, and humanity and the that the attacks are indiscriminate and against innocent civilians. bollocks.

1. the attacks were not against all nations. they were against england, a 'coalition' country. non-coalition countries were not attacked.

2. the attacks were not 'indiscriminate'. see above.

3. the attacks were not against innocent civilians. the english just re-elected tony blair. they had a chance to throw him out but they didn't.

i feel sorry for the people that lost loved ones and the injured, but not the nation (if that's at all possible.)


"I feel sorry for the people"
I'm sure you do. Its one thing to be against governments and their policies but its another to be so calous that you seem to be non chalant about this act that you make such comments that do not even acknowledge the individuals who perpetrated such behavior for the fanatics that they are.

Mind you I grew to be anti-Bush, however I hope you can be rest assured that a society with people who perpetrated such an act would have no room for you or me, we would be viewed as heathens and infidels who should be treated with the lowest contempt, because they do not reason with unbelievers.


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Jul-07-2005 21:15:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo

this statement here is the dumbest knee-jerk i've seen so far about this though


For once we actually agree on something, that statement was unreal.


Posted by Dj O'Callaghan on Jul-07-2005 21:18:

All politcians speak out of their arses however...

quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange 3. the attacks were not against innocent civilians. the english just re-elected tony blair. they had a chance to throw him out but they didn't.


Well mate, if member of your family were out in San Francisco or wherever the fuck your from, and for an example a bomb went off on a tram or something and they died would they be innocent? They might of voted for Bush or Kerry fuck knows it's a possibility you will probably never face.

The attack was against innocent people the Uk has a population of nearly 60 million people do you think all of them voted for Blair? Do you think out of the people who died all of them voted for him! It is a lose of innocent life their civilians for fuck sake just like you! It was just people going about their daily lives going to fucking work, doing their shopping etc! Their not based at some army base! their not a military target so how the fuck can say their not innocent!?


Posted by Yoepus on Jul-07-2005 21:20:

quote:
Originally posted by Spacey Orange
i find it totally f'n ridculous that high-level politicians are saying that this is attack on all of the nations, the civilized world, and humanity and the that the attacks are indiscriminate and against innocent civilians. bollocks.

1. the attacks were not against all nations. they were against england, a 'coalition' country. non-coalition countries were not attacked.

2. the attacks were not 'indiscriminate'. see above.

3. the attacks were not against innocent civilians. the english just re-elected tony blair. they had a chance to throw him out but they didn't.

i feel sorry for the people that lost loved ones and the injured, but not the nation (if that's at all possible.)



You realize if there was a terrorist attack in San Fransico and you were one of the killed I could say the same thing.

If this isn't an attack on humanity, I don't know what is.

Enjoy hell.


Posted by Yoepus on Jul-07-2005 21:22:

quote:
Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan
All politcians speak out of their arses however...



Well mate, if member of your family were out in San Francisco or wherever the fuck your from, and for an example a bomb went off on a tram or something and they died would they be innocent? They might of voted for Bush or Kerry fuck knows it's a possibility you will probably never face.



Bah, post-whore! Got in 1 sec before me.
Oh well, same analogy but mines was more eloquent


Amazing how great minds thing alike eh?


Posted by NYCTrancefan on Jul-07-2005 21:23:

quote:
Originally posted by Yoepus
You realize if there was a terrorist attack in San Fransico and you were one of the killed I could say the same thing.


Enjoy hell.


I was thinking the same thing but then I realize I'm better than that. If this attack had happened in Paris, Berlin, heck Brussels I would have still been pissed off because I know the people who do this were sitting somewhere celebrating in a free and democratic society, whose ideals they exploited to murder others.


Posted by Yoepus on Jul-07-2005 21:27:

quote:
Originally posted by NYCTrancefan
I was thinking the same thing but then I realize I'm better than that. If this attack had happened in Paris, Berlin, heck Brussels I would have still been pissed off because I know the people who do this were sitting somewhere celebrating in a free and democratic society, whose ideals they exploited to murder others.



Right, I don't think there is a better term to describe these people then simply savages.
They exploit the fundamental concensus free societies have made to run governments and lives in peace and respect to push a political agenda. Pathetic.

Giving these terrorist any justifcation for their grievance would be equivlant to justifying a guy who kills 100 people in Spain because they were about to allow gay marriage and he disagrees with the state of Spain and the voters who elected their new president who allowed this law to pass. You'd never hear that, why hear it about islamo-facism?

How can anybody be an apologist for this????


What happened in London is just a sad waste of life. What did they expect to achieve? To move one of the greatest nations this earth has ever seen by harrasing its citizen in one of the most pathetic attacks witnessed? A nation that withstood WWI, WWII, and the IRA, is going to be moved by this??

Come on.


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