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Yes I am an insensitive clod!

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Originally posted by Durafei While I understand that we wanna continue partying etc., I also understand these islanders. If I lived on that island for 20 years, and then all of a sudden I can't sleep due to loud music during pretty much every friday/saturday night - I'd be complaining ! Before you dismiss their complaints, why don't you put yourself in their shoes for a minute. Have you considered that it might actually be loud over there ?

Personally, I'm not dimissing the complaints.

I've been on the island, staying with friends at the Marina, many weekends in the past 5 years and never have heard anything more than the usual city noise carrying across the lake, as would be expected in an area of 5 million people.

What I am saying, however, is that these people need a bit of a reality check. While the business in question should make allowances for noise carrying over the water, these islanders need to remember what city they live in and the bending over backwards city council has made to let them enjoy their island paradise. If I wanted quiet, I would move north (which I have done)...

Re: The Docks Nightclub - A health hazard?

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Originally posted by Reversed Residents of the Toronto Islands have been the hardest hit by "excessive, overwhelming, invasive and abusive" noise.

.....then MOVE



You want to be 'one with nature' on an island? Move up north. You want to live in a city? Live in Toronto.

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Originally posted by amb_ Regardless of what they might think, they need to realise they still live in the City of Toronto, the largest urban area in Canada, and less than 3km away from one of the most densely populated area in North America. Business should not and will not be held hostage by a small group of nay-sayers.

BANG on Chris....and if condos do go up well WHO WAS THERE 1st anyway???...the club(s) we're there first...this bullshit is really pissing me off ...its like that old couple who has a house next to a golf course...the course was there since the 1920s & they moved in there big ass mansion in 1999...what the FUCK....HELLO????

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Originally posted by Durafei While I understand that we wanna continue partying etc., I also understand these islanders. If I lived on that island for 20 years, and then all of a sudden I can't sleep due to loud music during pretty much every friday/saturday night - I'd be complaining ! Before you dismiss their complaints, why don't you put yourself in their shoes for a minute. Have you considered that it might actually be loud over there ?

I haven't dismissed any complaints.. but they do afterall live in a city.. and a city that has millions of people and millions of different noises each and every single night...

if i hear a noise that is keeping me up all night long.. do i call to bitch to anyone.. no, it is part of living in a city and you get used to it.. move to the country if you want silence..

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Originally posted by magikb I haven't dismissed any complaints.. but they do afterall live in a city.. and a city that has millions of people and millions of different noises each and every single night... if i hear a noise that is keeping me up all night long.. do i call to bitch to anyone.. no, it is part of living in a city and you get used to it.. move to the country if you want silence..

They are not complaining about noises from the city. They are complaining about a particular nightclub called "The Docks", which according to them has been in violation of noise regulations for years.

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Originally posted by Durafei They are not complaining about noises from the city. They are complaining about a particular nightclub called "The Docks", which according to them has been in violation of noise regulations for years.

They aren't? Isn't the Docks a part of the city, making a positive contribution to the welfare of Toronto (contrary to the islanders in their own right)?

Obviously they can't complain about city noise, but this nightclub is an easy target to villify.

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Originally posted by amb_ They aren't? Isn't the Docks a part of the city, making a positive contribution to the welfare of Toronto (contrary to the islanders in their own right)? Obviously they can't complain about city noise, but this nightclub is an easy target to villify.

So basically you are saying that if it wasn't for the Docks, these islanders would find something else to complain about ?

OK. Let me elaborate my point of view on this situation.

If the Docks is indeed violating noise regulations specified by the city of Toronto - the Docks should go, not the islanders.

If, on the other hand, Docks is not violating any regulations - the islanders can fuck off, even if they can't sleep at night.

There !

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Originally posted by Durafei OK. Let me elaborate my point of view on this situation. If the Docks is indeed violating noise regulations specified by the city of Toronto - the Docks should go, not the islanders. If, on the other hand, Docks is not violating any regulations - the islanders can fuck off, even if they can't sleep at night. There !

That would seem to make sense.

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Originally posted by Durafei OK. Let me elaborate my point of view on this situation. If the Docks is indeed violating noise regulations specified by the city of Toronto - the Docks should go, not the islanders. If, on the other hand, Docks is not violating any regulations - the islanders can fuck off, even if they can't sleep at night. There !

Or they should comply with the applicable regulations, yes.

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Originally posted by Durafei So basically you are saying that if it wasn't for the Docks, these islanders would find something else to complain about ?

They have and do

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Originally posted by amb_ Or they should comply with the applicable regulations, yes.

After tiesto, i think i can say they have been (at least on that night). Outside the club, there wasnt any loud music really, so i cant see how that would keep them up.

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Originally posted by Durafei OK. Let me elaborate my point of view on this situation. If the Docks is indeed violating noise regulations specified by the city of Toronto - the Docks should go, not the islanders. If, on the other hand, Docks is not violating any regulations - the islanders can fuck off, even if they can't sleep at night. There !

agreed. it's pretty simple.

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Originally posted by amb_ Or they should comply with the applicable regulations, yes.

Docks seemed to comply with applicable regulations during Tiesto party.

Do you know what happened ? You couldn't hear shit ! Everybody was complaining that the volume was way too low.

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Originally posted by Durafei Do you know what happened ? You couldn't hear shit ! Everybody was complaining that the volume was way too low.

Agreed. But maybe they JUST started complying now.. who knows really. All i know is that its a shame, because it really put a big damper on that party for me.

There should be a website where the Docks can communicate with those residing on the island - perhaps in an effort to warn them of up-coming events (such as ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Tiesto??) and in some way that may give them the option of leaving for the night or at the very least recognizing the *posibility* of increased volume coming from the establishment.

Call me naive - but it sure would be nice if people could reach amicable solutions via compromising for once. I realize that laws are in place for such disagreements - but maybe the Docks would be more willing to accept any potential validity of the islanders' complaints if they weren't always running to City Hall and vice versa. It becomes tiresome, annoying and irritating to say the least when you have to travel the tiers of a beauracracy for a solution that may just as easily be reached with an hour discussion that voices the concerns of both sides involved and a resolute effort to reach a satisfying compromise.

I'd bet that the islanders wouldn't have half as bad a reputation if they weren't always beaking off to municipal government and that establishments along the waterfront would be MUCH more open to compromise if they felt the island residents were working WITH them as opposed to constantly AGAINST them.

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Originally posted by Durafei Docks seemed to comply with applicable regulations during Tiesto party. Do you know what happened ? You couldn't hear shit ! Everybody was complaining that the volume was way too low.

I would have to agree with this. My ears weren't even ringing after being in the club for 6 hours. You couldn't hear much at the back of the club either.

More important to me would be the fire safety codes. With all the nightclub fires and deaths recently in the US and nightclubs being bombed in the rest of the world, there should be some type of plan in place for this in case the building needed to be evacuated. There doesn't seem to be many ways to exit the premises quickly and safely.

However, I don't think the Docks will be shut down. That club is way too vital to the economy of the city. A big event there fills up hotels, feeds taxi drivers, and makes people spend money in other area businesses and tourist destinations. Also, everything else the Docks offers brings in money, plus there has to be at least a few hundred people that the club employs on a regular basis. There has to be a way to contain the noise inside the club without it travelling over the water. I can empathize with the islanders because my neighbors upstairs keep me awake almost every night

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Originally posted by Irishaddict There should be a website where the Docks can communicate with those residing on the island - perhaps in an effort to warn them of up-coming events (such as ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Tiesto??) and in some way that may give them the option of leaving for the night or at the very least recognizing the *posibility* of increased volume coming from the establishment. Call me naive - but it sure would be nice if people could reach amicable solutions via compromising for once. I realize that laws are in place for such disagreements - but maybe the Docks would be more willing to accept any potential validity of the islanders' complaints if they weren't always running to City Hall and vice versa. It becomes tiresome, annoying and irritating to say the least when you have to travel the tiers of a beauracracy for a solution that may just as easily be reached with an hour discussion that voices the concerns of both sides involved and a resolute effort to reach a satisfying compromise. I'd bet that the islanders wouldn't have half as bad a reputation if they weren't always beaking off to municipal government and that establishments along the waterfront would be MUCH more open to compromise if they felt the island residents were working WITH them as opposed to constantly AGAINST them.

beautifully said

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Originally posted by amb_ You should do something like hook up with some sound testing equipment and record/video record the results.

No need.

Word on the street is that the by-law folks are camping out on the island fairly ofent to try and "catch The Docks in the act".

The city, counselors and by-law enforcement are harassing the nightclub industry on all fronts.

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Originally posted by Durafei If the Docks is indeed violating noise regulations specified by the city of Toronto - the Docks should go, not the islanders.

The Docks isn't violating noise regulations. Why do you think parties keep happening there? Because they follow the rules!

What does one do when a lobby group continually tries to change regulations in their favor? This is what the islanders are trying to do. They set out rules, don't like the outcome and then decicde to try and change them as they see fit. Meanwhile The Docks is forced to cough-up legal money to perpetually defend itself. Litigation is bitch.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker No need. Word on the street is that the by-law folks are camping out on the island fairly ofent to try and "catch The Docks in the act". The city, counselors and by-law enforcement are harassing the nightclub industry on all fronts.

See, I've spent many weekends on the island and never had a problem sleeping... I was wondering how this can go on like they claim.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker This is a serious problem. If this happens to The Docks - it will not stop there. Next will be the entertainment disctrict, then The Guvernment. This is a serious and calculated attack on the nightclub industry. What ever happened to that petition or plan for action?

this is no different than they type of attitudes behind smoking bans....

Our society whines, our society gets... and since the city gets all its money from condo taxes, they win.

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Originally posted by Durafei While I understand that we wanna continue partying etc., I also understand these islanders. If I lived on that island for 20 years, and then all of a sudden I can't sleep due to loud music during pretty much every friday/saturday night - I'd be complaining ! Before you dismiss their complaints, why don't you put yourself in their shoes for a minute. Have you considered that it might actually be loud over there ?

Maybe they should consider that toronto is a major city that is growing all the time. Im sure when condos and business goes up there they will bitch about that too. I say we just continue what they were doing in the 60s and level the rest of those shanties to make way for more parks.

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Originally posted by amb_ See, I've spent many weekends on the island and never had a problem sleeping... I was wondering how this can go on like they claim.

Money talks.

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