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Posted by Trancer-X on Jul-08-2005 20:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Frase
conspiracy theories annoy me.


Yeah, critical thinking is just too laborious for so many people these days.

Alternative and conflicting viewpoints can be too much for some simple minds to handle.


Posted by Frase on Jul-08-2005 22:05:

i wouldnt say too much for simple minds, its just people decide to make out their own version of events.

Anyway regarding yesterdays attrocity, theres many flawed arguments ive heard that so called governments are behind all this

If they actually thought about the events & used their brain they'd realise from what happened, they actually might be terrorists

shocka marocka


Posted by Frase on Jul-08-2005 22:41:

how come you deleted your post ogvh?


Posted by ogvh5150 on Jul-08-2005 23:17:

quote:
Originally posted by Frase
i wouldnt say too much for simple minds, its just people decide to make out their own version of events.

Anyway regarding yesterdays attrocity, theres many flawed arguments ive heard that so called governments are behind all this

If they actually thought about the events & used their brain they'd realise from what happened, they actually might be terrorists

shocka marocka


My first thought when I heard - just on a personal basis, when I heard there had been this attack and I saw the futures this morning, which were really in the tank, I thought, 'Hmmm, time to buy.'
Hume's "first thought" on hearing of London attacks: It's "time to buy" futures

You get your news from people like that idiot.

All warfare is based on deception
Sun Tzu

In war, truth is the first casualty
Aeschylus

The more you read and learn, the less your adversary will know
Sun Tzu

Knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave
Frederick Douglass


Posted by Trancer-X on Jul-09-2005 00:42:

quote:
Originally posted by Frase
i wouldnt say too much for simple minds, its just people decide to make out their own version of events.

Anyway regarding yesterdays attrocity, theres many flawed arguments ive heard that so called governments are behind all this

If they actually thought about the events & used their brain they'd realise from what happened, they actually might be terrorists

shocka marocka


Do you mean like how Dubya and Cheney are still repeating the lies that have been disproven a good while ago?

No, I'm sure they WERE committed by terrorists. Whether or not they were aided and/or abetted is what remains as the mystery.

With all of the secrecy and deception, it's hard to take anything at face value these days.


Posted by Frase on Jul-09-2005 11:07:

quote:
Originally posted by Trancer-X
Do you mean like how Dubya and Cheney are still repeating the lies that have been disproven a good while ago?

No, I'm sure they WERE committed by terrorists. Whether or not they were aided and/or abetted is what remains as the mystery.

With all of the secrecy and deception, it's hard to take anything at face value these days.


Well id like to jus politely remind we dont have Dubya on our government, whilst we're allies with them we certainly have a bit more in the way of brain power.

I can understand the whole secrecy & decpetion point but there were many things about this attack which make it too much of an amateur job if you get me? Something went wrong in the proposed plan of attack hence why the bus blew up.


Posted by ogvh5150 on Jul-09-2005 21:09:

The three bombs went off nearly simultaneously at about 8:50 a.m. Thursday, said Deputy Assistant Commissioner Brian Paddick said, revising earlier accounts that they occurred within a 26-minute span. An explosion tore through a double-decker bus nearly an hour later.
New information about the timing of the explosions also suggested they were detonated with synchronized timers rather than by suicide bombers, although officials said nothing had been ruled out.
Police: London Blasts Were Seconds Apart


Posted by ogvh5150 on Jul-13-2005 02:15:

Suspected al Qaeda militants behind the London bombings may well have come from a previously unknown local cell and yet had access to military explosives, European security officials familiar with the probe said.
"The explosives appear to be of military origin, which is very worrying," said Christophe Chaboud, head of the French Anti-Terrorism Coordination Unit and one of five top officials sent by Paris to London immediately after Thursday's attacks.
London bombs suggest local but well-equipped cell


Posted by Trancer-X on Jul-13-2005 04:55:

quote:
Originally posted by Frase
Well id like to jus politely remind we dont have Dubya on our government, whilst we're allies with them we certainly have a bit more in the way of brain power.


Yeah, but Blair essentially serves the same people as Dubya does.

Anyway, even with all that extra brainpower, you guys are turning into a surveillance state even faster than we are!



http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0206/p07s02-woeu.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3568468.stm

http://www.salaam.co.uk/themeofthem...dex.php?l=54%82


Posted by ogvh5150 on Jul-14-2005 05:11:

POWER: Today we were running an exercise for a company - bear in mind now that I'm in the private sector - and we sat everybody down in the city - 1000 people involved in the whole organization - with the crisis team. And the most peculiar thing was it was we based on a scenario of simultaneous attacks on a underground and mainline station. So we had to suddenly switch an exercise from fictional to real. And one of the first things is, get that bureau number, when you have a list of people missing, tell them. And it took a long time -
INTERVIEWER: Just to get this right, you were actually working today on an exercise that envisioned virtually this scenario?
POWER: Almost precisely. I was up to 2 oclock this morning, because it's our job, my own company. Visor Consultants, we specialize in helping people to get their crisis management response, how you jump from slow time thinking to quick time doing. And we chose a scenario with no assistance, which is based on a terrorist attack because they've been close to a property occupied by Jewish businessmen there in the city, and there are more American banks in this city than there are in the whole of New York - a logical thing to do.
INTERVIEWER: How extraordinary today must feel for you as it unfolds. You mentioned a few moments ago there our experience with Irish Republican terrorism. And of course it was very different wasn't it because however perverted their behavior, the IRA believed itself to have some sort of code of honour, and tended to issue some kind of warnings, of course they often came too late to do any good.

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack


Posted by Trancer-X on Jul-14-2005 11:42:

quote:
Originally posted by ogvh5150
POWER: Today we were running an exercise for a company - bear in mind now that I'm in the private sector - and we sat everybody down in the city - 1000 people involved in the whole organization - with the crisis team. And the most peculiar thing was it was we based on a scenario of simultaneous attacks on a underground and mainline station. So we had to suddenly switch an exercise from fictional to real. And one of the first things is, get that bureau number, when you have a list of people missing, tell them. And it took a long time -
INTERVIEWER: Just to get this right, you were actually working today on an exercise that envisioned virtually this scenario?
POWER: Almost precisely. I was up to 2 oclock this morning, because it's our job, my own company. Visor Consultants, we specialize in helping people to get their crisis management response, how you jump from slow time thinking to quick time doing. And we chose a scenario with no assistance, which is based on a terrorist attack because they've been close to a property occupied by Jewish businessmen there in the city, and there are more American banks in this city than there are in the whole of New York - a logical thing to do.
INTERVIEWER: How extraordinary today must feel for you as it unfolds. You mentioned a few moments ago there our experience with Irish Republican terrorism. And of course it was very different wasn't it because however perverted their behavior, the IRA believed itself to have some sort of code of honour, and tended to issue some kind of warnings, of course they often came too late to do any good.

London Underground Bombing 'Exercises' Took Place at Same Time as Real Attack


If that's true, then it instantly brings something else to mind...

http://www.libertyforum.org/showfla...r=293208438&t=0


Posted by ogvh5150 on Jul-15-2005 19:55:

It's too coincidental to not be true.


Posted by Q5echo on Jul-15-2005 20:52:

you fucks need to get out of the house and do something else with your lives.


Posted by Frase on Jul-15-2005 21:27:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
you fucks need to get out of the house and do something else with your lives.



Posted by hardcore trancer on Jul-15-2005 21:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
you fucks need to get out of the house and do something else with your lives.


like omg you're soooooooooo cooool


Posted by ogvh5150 on Jul-15-2005 22:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
you fucks need to get out of the house and do something else with your lives.


To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
Abraham Lincoln


Posted by Q5echo on Jul-16-2005 03:48:

quote:
Originally posted by ogvh5150
To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.
Abraham Lincoln

well, if you put it that way...

i've protested vehemently about this in another thread. in this instance, it's our ideologies are what makes us cowards or men. i'm not saying you're a coward. i'm saying that you may have let yuor imagination run a little amuck
is my head in the sand? i got the wool over my eyes? i don't think so.


Posted by shaolin_Z on Jul-16-2005 07:26:

quote:
Originally posted by Q5echo
is my head in the sand? i got the wool over my eyes?

yes


Posted by ogvh5150 on Jul-16-2005 10:58:

LOL

@q5echo

So then you believe the same media that lied to you about WMD's to tell you that Al-QUE?da/Al-CIAda did it?

If the media could say the Michelin man was a bank robber you and many people would believe it.

So please post something relevant either for or against this thread aside from remarks such as in your FIRST POST.


Posted by Trancer-X on Jul-16-2005 19:48:


Posted by Q5echo on Jul-16-2005 22:30:

quote:
Originally posted by ogvh5150
So please post something relevant either for or against this thread aside from remarks such as in your FIRST POST.

okay. see ya.


Posted by enferno on Jul-17-2005 02:11:

yeah and the maerican government aparently knew about the 9/11 attacks.

this kinda thing where the gov. knows some key evidence, but they withold it, doesn't seem logical to me at all


Posted by hardcore trancer on Jul-17-2005 07:46:

quote:
Originally posted by enferno
this kinda thing where the gov. knows some key evidence, but they withold it, doesn't seem logical to me at all


sure it makes sense,lets see,everyone including the American people hated Bush before 911 so 911 happens and he becomes the greatest preseident and gains peoples support.So 911 basically saved Bush's ass in the office and also gave him the green light to invade Iraq (war on terror,WMD bullshit).


Posted by Yoepus on Jul-17-2005 18:21:

quote:
Originally posted by hardcore trancer
sure it makes sense,lets see,everyone including the American people hated Bush before 911 so 911 happens and he becomes the greatest preseident and gains peoples support.So 911 basically saved Bush's ass in the office and also gave him the green light to invade Iraq (war on terror,WMD bullshit).


sure that makes sense, because if some reporter, congress, or cia agent or whoever didn't play their part in this grand conspiracy, Bush would be charged for treason, impeached, and executed.

Thats an awfully great risk to have for an easily compromised endevaour.


Posted by hardcore trancer on Jul-17-2005 18:28:

Hey they lie about everything and anything so why not 911?


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