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this has nothing to do with politics. This has to do with some idiot in wasaga taking advantage of kids who dont know any better. Meanwhile you can get way better bargains at other places around the province and around the world. There is a word for people like this hotel operator. Gouging.

My comment about the domestic economy holds true. Im not a believer in paying more so i can feel good about myself. I will go to the most competitive person. If someone wants my business they have to earn it. Wasaga beach on a long weekend at best is worth $125 a night for everyone. (and thats pushing it considering the dumps that pass for hotels up there)

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Originally posted by Jayx1 you said you signed a carbon copy of your credit card which im sure was the deposit. This is the blank slip. You signed it without an amount entered, so he was able to enter his own amount after you left. Its just like handing someone a blank cheque.

Yes I did sign a carbon copy of my credit card, but I never mentioned that it was blank.
He entered the amount of $1086.75 (90% sure) on it, which I thought then was the final price, it never clued in that he might have not taken the deposit off this price.

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Originally posted by Irishaddict why don't you simply turn all of your anger at the laws and politics of this country into something more constructive and attempt to do something to change them?

How do you know he's not?

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Originally posted by amb_ How do you know he's not?

I don't. But it sure would be nice to hear about it for once as opposed to his grandiose generalizations on how much Canada sucks

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Originally posted by Jayx1 this has nothing to do with politics. This has to do with some idiot in wasaga taking advantage of kids who dont know any better. Meanwhile you can get way better bargains at other places around the province and around the world. There is a word for people like this hotel operator. Gouging. My comment about the domestic economy holds true. Im not a believer in paying more so i can feel good about myself. I will go to the most competitive person. If someone wants my business they have to earn it. Wasaga beach on a long weekend at best is worth $125 a night for everyone. (and thats pushing it considering the dumps that pass for hotels up there)

I agree with you, but comparing Mexico to Wasaga Beach is 2 totally different things.
I did shop around for the best price when looking for a place to stay, I'm not an idiot nor am I rich and don't care. The place we stayed in wasn't that great and no it wasn't worth $70 per person per night, but what can you do? There isn't anything else that much nicer up there (as you mentioned) that I could find for cheaper.

Example: I called a motel in the area that day (when looking for places to stay), one place offered me $800 for 1 night in a motel room that fits 6 people! Now that's outrageous!

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Originally posted by Irishaddict I don't. But it sure would be nice to hear about it for once as opposed to his grandiose generalizations on how much Canada sucks

ive got a few things in the works.. nothing mentionable as of yet.


As for grandiose generalizations. I know the news isnt good news but at least people are talking about it now. Realizing it is the first step towards changing it.

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Originally posted by Pasta I agree with you, but comparing Mexico to Wasaga Beach is 2 totally different things. I did shop around for the best price when looking for a place to stay, I'm not an idiot nor am I rich and don't care. The place we stayed in wasn't that great and no it wasn't worth $70 per person per night, but what can you do? There isn't anything else that much nicer up there (as you mentioned) that I could find for cheaper. Example: I called a motel in the area that day (when looking for places to stay), one place offered me $800 for 1 night in a motel room that fits 6 people! Now that's outrageous!

exactly why wasaga doesnt get my business. No matter how you cut it, it's not worth the money. $400 gets you 3 nights in vegas including flight. $400 each gets you 2 nights in a dump on a crappy beach. Sorry if this sounds anti canadian but our tourist spots really need a work over if this is what passes for normal around here.

if you have a receipt for the deposit and a receipt detailing the charges when you checked out then you are in business.

If you have no receipts or you signed one saying that the charges were 1600 then you are pretty much screwed.

Good luck.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 exactly why wasaga doesnt get my business. No matter how you cut it, it's not worth the money. $400 gets you 3 nights in vegas including flight. $400 each gets you 2 nights in a dump on a crappy beach. Sorry if this sounds anti canadian but our tourist spots really need a work over if this is what passes for normal around here. if you have a receipt for the deposit and a receipt detailing the charges when you checked out then you are in business. If you have no receipts or you signed one saying that the charges were 1600 then you are pretty much screwed. Good luck.

I agree, but what else can you do around town (quickly) such as Wasaga, nothing.

I have 2 receipts saying how much he billed me, it totalled $1610.00. I know that part of it is my fault, for not clearing it up then, BUT if a judge has his head on right, he can fix this problem and not let it happen again.
All I have to do is call the resort, and record it. He'll be saying "we charge by person" about 10x. That's enough proof!

You have to realize that politics and the economy are quite interconnected. Political budgets dictate how federal monies are allocated into systems that inevitaby affect the national economy. I will certainly give you that that does not particularly pertain to booking a room in Wasaga for the weekend. But it's true, nonetheless.

I think the point is that there are businesses out there that inevitably will take advantage of their customers and the situation at hand. Pasta's situation this past weekend in Wasaga is just one of I'm sure many many many more examples. Instead of pointing out the room was overpriced yadda yadda yadda - I think the point of this thread was to point out ppossible ways to remedy the situation. People such as this motel owner are going to continue to take advantage of tourists unless action is taken against them to prevent potentential future occurences. So that said - write the e-mails to the commerce! write to those who provide Wasaga tourist information! and if all else fails - TAKE HIM TO COURT.

i was in wasaga that weekend....they played mv vs. styk - mr. roboto at the bar.....words could not describe the happiness that i felt at that point in the evening.

Perhaps if 1 of your buddy's parents is a lawyer (or you solicit the services of Sir Rabbitjoker< there was an old thread about this) to call this jerkoff and threaten him with legal action, he may change his tune, and the final charges.
Just a thought...

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Originally posted by Irishaddict This is the beauty of small claims court. You're not there to 'prove beyond a reasonable doubt' your claim. The judge simply has to believe you more than he believes the owner of the motel (basically - whoever has the more 'plausible' story). And my guess is that if you have 9 other friends to back up your story you look a hell of a lot more plausible. Also, Wasaga is known for its tourism and pretty much anyone owning property out there is out to make a quick buck. It's only 50 bucks to file in small claims court (provided your claim is under 5k) and you get reimbursed for that if you win (just remember to sue for what you're out PLUS court costs). And - he won't be able to form any kind of counter-argument against you (yeah, there are sneaky bastards like that out there) in a monetary sense because you cannot sue for lost wages in small claims court. I'd say it's worth a shot. **EDIT: I sued an ex-landlord for keeping my security deposit AND for a section of the TPA that he was 'disturbing my reasonable enjoyment' by entering the property without 24-hours notice. I didn't have video-recording of him entering or anything, but I saved all the e-mails that said "I'll be there @ 8 am" when they were sent at 11 p.m. the previous night. So, if you e-mail these people save copies and their replies if you decide to sue. I was even surprised at how much they helped me out.

Perhaps you should think things out clearly before suing in small claims.

Firstly, all claims must be made at the juridiction/location where the occurrence took place. So that puts you in his neighbourhood or neck of the woods so to speak.

Secondly, Small Claims judges are still JP's in small areas like Wasaga or surrounding district. That means they are not judges, but cops or friends elevated or elected to that position. Who do you think they often favour?

Thirdly, since you signed, then you will have a hard time convincing this jp that the agreement aka consideration was changed on you midstream. Rule of buyer beware still applies. In order for you to have creadibility and bring reasonable doubt, you'd have to have had witnesses at the time of your signing and initial discussion. Bringing in affidavits from your friends won't help since it is considered hearsay or evidence after the fact. Taperecording (as I recall) is still not valid or admissable unless the other party consented to a taperecording.

So this leads you to an argument of contract alone. You would have to have a very convincing tone and pitch when you talk to the jp in order for him to grant in your favour. I agree with Nat...Mr. Rabbitjoker would be good for something like this (from my short conversations with him...has has mastered the pitch and tone needed for such things) If you feel you can do it...by all mean go for it (wish there was a way to use..ahem...allert some local paper or media to write about this theft...cuz that's exactly what it was) but don't think that bringing your 9 friends to court in their neighbourhood will change or influence the judgement, cuz I've seen proof that it hasn't in the past.

Not trying to bum you outta this...just trying to tell you of the experiences and realities that you must consider.

It's a shame no one can create a web page where ppl can post their consumer complaints without repercussion.
Irishaddict FYI....I'll bet you didn't know that Property Managers (who pay for the service) have such a site for bad tenants. In this site they list the names of people who have wronged them and they put them on a bad tenant list for 10 years without them knowing...this is the double standard legal way.

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Originally posted by b4k-oz Irishaddict FYI....I'll bet you didn't know that Property Managers (who pay for the service) have such a site for bad tenants. In this site they list the names of people who have wronged them and they put them on a bad tenant list for 10 years without them knowing...this is the double standard legal way.

Yeah I'm aware. Same thing if you cause a ruckus at the bank. You're on the naughty customer list there too and you can't do anything about it. There's shit-lists everywhere in society. I don't think that should deter you from due legal action though.

if both receipts are signed without an itemized receipt detailing the charges then it sounds like you are screwed. If you have an itemized receipt saying that the charges were $1000 and also 2 signed credit card slips for the amount owed and one for the deposit, you could be in business. But you still signed both slips so technically you agreed to the charges.

If i were the judge i would ask you why you left a blank credit card slip without settling the debt and admonish you for being careless with your finances.

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Originally posted by Irishaddict Yeah I'm aware. Same thing if you cause a ruckus at the bank. You're on the naughty customer list there too and you can't do anything about it. There's shit-lists everywhere in society. I don't think that should deter you from due legal action though.

True it shudn't deter you form taking as you say "due legal action" but the rule in the courts is still buyer beware. And in justice ignorance is still not a ground for a lawsuit. Most people that argue it in court more than often, lose. Though everything you cited is correct about being prepared for court. But you forgot to mention that you have to have a valid complaint otherwise your just waisting your money and your time.

I read your situation and in yours...you mentioned the reasons why you were awarded. Unfortunately...I can't see it in this situation. If you sign a receipt and don't cancel or correct the error immediately then you are deemed as having accepted and unfortunately....Pasta is stuck with arguing to a contract which he agreed to. Unless he has physical evidence that this place overchanged him over others, then it's a pretty tight case in small claims. BTW...how long ago was it that you did small claims...last I heard it was way past the $65 mark.

when doing things like that you gotta make sure everything is 100% clear.

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