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Posted by bobba lou on Jul-12-2005 06:34:

Fundacion has great flow.

Posted by umes23 on Jul-12-2005 06:50:

for me personally, involver was a super-well put together cd that mixed a range of sounds (outside of dance music) as well in a really classy way.

fundacion too is quite a well put together cd with a couple of particularly bright moments and covers a range of edm. but it's sounds are more on the experimental side... having been to 3 fundacion nyc gigs, i don't think the overall cd captures the sound of the live gigs much at all! but then sasha only claims to have used the residency for inspiration, this is not supposed to capture its sound. the cd itself is really well done... it just doesn't feature the clubby sasha tracks i'd like to see, but i can understand sasha's reluctance to do that... it's been done and it's boring for someone who has done it really well a long time before. he's tried to go somewhere new with it and he succeeded at that. its a great cd but overall involver wins in a tremendous way!

Posted by Omega_Blue on Jul-12-2005 06:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Floorfiller
i like both albums...i'm sure sasha's goal wasn't to make involver 2...so i don't think you guys should've expected it to be that...

+1, but i still like involver more.

Posted by eulerfx on Jul-12-2005 07:13:

quote:
Originally posted by Zenchowdah
which is better, the McLaren F1, or a bowl of chicken soup?

McLaren F1

Posted by tactik on Jul-12-2005 09:47:

Both great. I haven't listened to fundacion enough to compare, I do like the 3xLP though.

Posted by Clovis on Jul-12-2005 09:56:

Funny I was just listening to Involver.

I love both...but technically its clear that Fundacion is just way beyond involver.

Fundacion is ahead of its time...people dont like it because its too different...

...which is why I like it

Posted by NuDarkBeat on Jul-12-2005 14:41:

completely different kinds of albums

Posted by noikeee on Jul-12-2005 15:47:

quote:
Originally posted by fastmp3
involver catters to the pussy trance crowd omg buildup emotional crap

are you sure you weren't given a tiesto cd by mistake?

i thought involver was good. i've been slowly getting out of progressive so probably it isn't my thing anymore. fundacion, i've just only heard it once, but wasn't too impressed. it's decent, but nowhere near the hype. the ableton mixing sounds ultra smooth at times but very dodgy at others, like percurssions clashing all over the place (am i the only one that noticed this?!), it just generally sounds mechanic instead of natural which isn't good. sasha gets bonus points for including 3 or 4 very good tracks but the rest aren't great, perhaps they need to grow on me.

so, overall, i'd say involver is a bit better but my opinion could change.

Posted by noikeee on Jul-12-2005 15:52:

quote:
Originally posted by Zenchowdah
they're two totally different concepts, people..

which is better, the McLaren F1, or a bowl of chicken soup? honestly, come on.

Oh stop the bullshit, they ARE comparable. They're both mixed music cd's by Sasha, which means they fall both into some category, that doesn't happen with a McLaren F1 and a bowl of chicken soup. The difference is that in Involver Sasha "dismounted" the tracks into pieces, remixed a bit each one of them then mixed it. In Fundacion he tries to do the same, without "dismounting" the tracks, but rather dealing with what he is given (the full tracks), focusing more on the mixing as one piece and less of the remixing track by track. Is this really that different? Hell, I'd say they aren't even very far off in musical style/genres.

Posted by SYSTEM-J on Jul-12-2005 16:57:

Meneedit doesn't post complete shite shocker!

Posted by Prism on Jul-12-2005 17:10:

Fundacion is boring and whatever he used to make it Ableton it didn't do a thing for me

Posted by Elior on Jul-12-2005 17:21:

I like most of the elecro-ish Sasha style nowadays, and all the unique and verasitle tunes he play in his sets, but Fandacion just didn't do it for me, unlike Involver.

Posted by Kaveh on Jul-12-2005 17:38:

Bought Fundacion last week.. but haven't had the time to listen to it carefully yet. Pretty new style to me (the reason I bought it).. but the snippets I've heard sound cool and I think it'll grow on me :E

Posted by Omega_Blue on Jul-12-2005 17:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Prism
Fundacion is boring and whatever he used to make it Ableton it didn't do a thing for me

which he also used for involver too.

quote:
Originally posted by Clovis86
Fundacion is ahead of its time...people dont like it because its too different...

...which is why I like it

and the same could be said of involver at it's time, don't you think?

Posted by Plastick on Jul-12-2005 18:01:

<-- Proud owner of Involver & Fundacion CD.

I can only say they're both unique and top-notch .

Posted by UWM on Jul-12-2005 18:06:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Fundacion caters for the people that we're 'raving it up' to Tiesto less than 6 months ago, and have now realised it's cool to like Sasha.

z0mg Ableton!!11111

Hey Mikey Mike am I cool in your book if I've been listening to Sasha since 1999 and I prefer Fundacion?

Posted by M@t on Jul-12-2005 18:14:

quote:
Originally posted by UWM
Hey Mikey Mike am I cool in your book if I've been listening to Sasha since 1999 and I prefer Fundacion?

you're all gimps in mikey's book

Posted by stren on Jul-12-2005 20:31:

shouldn't this be a poll ?

involver >>> foundation

Posted by McP68 on Jul-12-2005 20:32:

hmm fundacion is more deeper
involver has a more "melodic-feeling" imo

INVOLVER

Posted by _IDS_ on Jul-12-2005 21:05:

Involver Magic & more Melodic

&

Fundacion Magic & more Deep

Simply a Great Job!!! Thx Mister Sasha

Posted by DJ Mikey Mike on Jul-12-2005 21:13:

quote:
Originally posted by UWM
Hey Mikey Mike am I cool in your book if I've been listening to Sasha since 1999 and I prefer Fundacion?

Very.

Posted by Clovis on Jul-12-2005 21:15:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike
Very.

I didnt like Tiesto a year ago. I was into DJ Sammy.

Posted by fastmp3 on Jul-12-2005 21:39:

OMG OMG DJ SACHA USING APPLETON

Posted by Gravgon on Jul-12-2005 21:48:

I like both but I can listen to Involver at any time of the day while I only listen to Fundacion when I want a certain atmosphere..

I like all tracks on Involver except the last two, as for Fundacion there aren't any particular tracks that I like specifically, it's just the whole mix that sounds great imo.

So at the end I prefer Involver.

Posted by Stories on Jul-12-2005 22:49:

quote:
Originally posted by Gravgon
I like both but I can listen to Involver at any time of the day while I only listen to Fundacion when I want a certain atmosphere..

I like all tracks on Involver except the last two, as for Fundacion there aren't any particular tracks that I like specifically, it's just the whole mix that sounds great imo.

So at the end I prefer Involver.

Agreed, I also prefer the first half or so of Fundacion over the second half by far. The mixing is so smooth on the entire thing. However, Involver still gets my vote... such smooth transitions, it sounds like one long track.

While on the note of funky and cool progressive, how about Luke Fair - Bedrock Original Series 3? Funky and techy coolness.

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