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A 50,000-person forum, with a very small percentage of it that posts regularly, let alone critiques everything like you said. Yeah, it's going to bring the entire scene down. We'd better stop! We're going to take out something that has somewhere in the neighborhood of millions of fans!

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Originally posted by kush paintings I saw this topic, laughed. Read your initial post, laughed harder. Every form of entertainment, music, movies, theatre, sports, etc. is written about online. Every joe blow and his uncle and dog has got something to say about whats out there. Sometimes this can be a good thing, as an occasional kernal of information is passed along. However, for the most part people are jsut expressing their personal and therefore unobjective viewpoints on various matters. I know DJs visit this site, which I think is cool. But, if a DJ is honestly going to take to heart what a bunch of people say on a message board then he should mature a bit. Just worry about keeping the dancefloors you play for happy, not some unkowns in a forum. As for the allegation that we (members of tranceaddict I am taking it) are killing the music scene is not just incorrect, but makes my face go red and my brows furrow . Go to the CD/Review board, you have people getting the word out about every freaking release from Oakenfold to Bedroom DJ #124901349. Next, take a trip down to the amateur DJ and Producer's forums, will you see people from all over the world trying to get people to notice their talents. If the attitude of this site was so negative we would jsut all come to a consensus that trance is dead, prog sucks, dnb causes deafness, and Oakenfold looks like a monkey. There would be no discussion, no 20 page threads of what are you listening to... You comments are assanine, and the only thing that is killing the music scene is you going around spreading your nonsense.

amen, brother.

Re: Are you indirectly killing the music scene?

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Originally posted by MR FLOW Just wondered what your thoughts were on this? I have notice how annorak like some peoples comments are on this website and how tune spotting a lot of you are. Which is fine as everyone is entitled to do what they want and talk about what they want. However Almost every dj i have spoke to about this subject thinks that you guys are killing the industry. Due to constant moaning, Every dj has to play the newest stuff out or they will be barracked and slated by people on forums such as this one for playing tunes that were(dare i say it!) one month old!! Also if a single mix goes out of place they are labelled a rubbish dj and are also in line for a Slating. This i find most unfair. Now I don't know what you all listen to dance music for but I for one listen to it to have a good time and because i enjoy the music. This was what i originally did for a few years but i have felt since 2000 people have started taking dance music far too seriously due to people being what i would say is a bit to geeky about dance music. Now I expect to be called every name under the sun after stating this but i would appriciate some constructive critisim back if you are going to say anything. Your Thoughts????

that's what it's like in the commercial scene, and everyone is out there to make money for djing, so people are entitled to moan all they want when dj "x" get �500-1000+ for 90 minutes work. in the underground scene it's a lot different, but that's another story.

the only thing that is "killing the scene" is people all out there for money rather than good music. people here moan when crap music is being produced which is a fair point, and since 2000 the music has got less about making good and fresh tunes and more about being the next big hit. you must blatently be somebody in comemrcial scene anyway, maybe some dj/producer who isnt getting any gigs anymore it coz he plays/makes the same old crap "trance by numbers" all the time. the reason i get this iompression is that from all the time ive been into music only people from the scene share your view because something has gone wrong with their popularity.

i think the only thing the internet has done has greatly opened the field of discussion on how good and artist/tune is or not, otherwise how else would they know? some magazine ad which just praises them as if it is practically an advert? nobody is gonna go up to a dj in a club and say" hey mate, this tune is a bit shit, it sounds just like your last one" are they?

believe it or not but if a producer of Dj is truly good then they won't be underground for much longer, they'll get signed up to a recording label and be 'forced', i repeat forced to create music that will please the public

And don't rant about useless shit, at least when i'm havin a go at someone for useless shit its just for fun but some people here take some of this a little too seriously, at the end of the day its music and believe it or not there are gonna be people with different opinions on the topic.

As for me, i don't think its killing the music scene at all, in fact i think its strengthening it the fact that someone can easily sign up to this and get a peek into some EDM.

As for the dumb fuck who mentioned alcohol, i never drunk alcohol till i was 18, purely to prove a point to a certain group of people, i proved my point and now i drink, i used to go out before i was 18 and it was never about the drinks, never is and never will be, i enjoy my beer as much as the next person but i don't think you have to be drunk to go out, sometimes it can make it more enjoyable and sometimes it can make it much worse ...

As for DJ's trainwrecking and being abused on this ... i never once abused Deep Dish for completely fucking up when they came down here, there set was a disaster and they deserve to be shot but apparently Danny Howells was a god and had one of the tightest sets ever, but who really gives a fuck, i'm sure as hell Deep Dish are gonna pull crowds as big if not much bigger than the ones they did in canberra, when it comes down to it people are on here to express themselves and you lot judging them is constraining there freedom to talk, lots of people on here probably don't get heard much normally so they may talk on here where they feel they are heard, i really don't know

Interesting thread, been a good read.
Well I wouldn't underestimate the 'power' of TA; it's in the top 100 of all forums (including say car forums) worldwide and so when googling tune artists and titles there is a fair chance you'll end up here. The vast majority of posters here have extensive knowledge (and the trance appreciation gene); many have trance expertise. A little appreciation from the artists for the people that sacrifice some time to write sensible reviews, wouldn't be out of place. In fact, I think TA is playing a more significant role in the scene month after month.
It's up to the reader to determine whether or not reviews are founded and if the mistakes pointed out are significant.
I have decided, some 2yrs ago, to obstain from writing destructive reviews (which I never really did), instead I just STFU. My reviews almost always review tunes, rather than sets. A TL is all the review I need of a set, quality mixing is a bonus for me (unless off course it goes horribly wrong at numerous transitions).
Also if everyone (like me) writes positive reviews all the time, the forum would lose some of it's credibility. But you do have a point of course, I've seen flame sessions here OMG.

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Originally posted by sthus believe it or not but if a producer of Dj is truly good then they won't be underground for much longer, they'll get signed up to a recording label and be 'forced', i repeat forced to create music that will please the public

Bullshit. Nobody gets FORCED to play or create anything. The problem is that these DJs are too cowardly to break loose and try something different, and conform to these wishes and requests in order to keep their paycheck and/or popularity up.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper The problem is that these DJs are too cowardly to break loose and try something different, and conform to these wishes and requests in order to keep their paycheck and/or popularity up.

Hardly always the case. Take amateur DJs for example, especially the ones I've seen many a time in New York. Oftentimes they don't even get paid for gigs, yet spin some commercial nonsense inasmuch as they don't know any better.

no

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred Hardly always the case. Take amateur DJs for example, especially the ones I've seen many a time in New York. Oftentimes they don't even get paid for gigs, yet spin some commercial nonsense inasmuch as they don't know any better.

Of course, but this is totally irrelevant to the issue I addressed, namely:

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if a producer of Dj is truly good then they won't be underground for much longer, they'll get signed up to a recording label and be 'forced', i repeat forced to create music that will please the public

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Originally posted by kush paintings ...and Oakenfold looks like a monkey.

Quoted for truth

i really doubt that this forum or any forum for that matter is having an impact as serious as you say it does. i do actually think that this could be a useful tool for a dj to find out what the people are aching for and what exactly they are feeling at the moment. i dont think dj`s take what people on the internet forums are saying too seriously.

I think TA has an influence on the scene but at the end of the day Good DJ's play the music they love regardless of anything else...
and that's what makes them good DJ's

I love when someone drops a track that I haven't heard in ages...

dance music is taken too seriously by certain people who use these forums there is no doubt about that. they are prepared to insult people who like different music to them, and they are insulted if people dont like the music they like. producers who make music they enjoy making are often slated for doing so just because not everyone shares their passion for the music they make. Some music released these days isnt the most cutting edge stuff in the world but so what? there is loads of music that i cannot stand listening to, so i dont listen to it, i dont target the producer and make him or her feel bad for what they have done. so what if people are making money off music that you dont like? if you were offered money for doing something you enjoy doing, you would be a total retard to say no. whether or not you think its justified that djs or producers you dont like are getting paid for what they are doing, you cant really blame the producers or djs. If you dont like it then go to the labels and express your jealousy to them.. or the promoters who book the djs.

Some people here take music way too seriously. It's very geekish, very annoying and yes, pretty damaging to the scene. Ory was the funniest though, 16 years old, never been to a club. poor little sod. hehe

no y0u are wr0ng PR0GRessive 1S 1337z0rz!!!!!!!!!!

We cant make random statements about TA ruining the trance scene without actual facts and numbers. We need to know:

1) How many TAs go to live shows?
2) How many TAs buy their music?
3) How many TAs post on a considerable basis about the music?
4) How many DJs visit TA to read reviews and critisms?
5) How many DJs actually change their live sets based on internet groups?
6) How many TAs opinions have changed based on a message board and not listening to the music?
7) What is the percentage of people that go to live shows, are they members of an internet community or not?

After we knew all those numbers and figured out all the percentages no one would give a flying fuck because it is still an internet website.

this DOES NOT kill the music industry. when opening this thread, i was almost feeling guilty, thinking it would be about mp3 piracy, not just on the POV of stealing a track, rather killing the industry that is responsible for the great music you want so much that you steal it.

when i read this. well. IMO, it does not deter the industry, rather it sets the standards higher. and IT HAS to exist. and should be stronger really. this community of trainspotters is the product of shit DJs being overhyped and great ones not getting enough credit. the product of crappy hype tracks being caned all the time, and great, not very famous ones not gtting enough play. the product of giant super-DJs who's head got stuck in their own asses because it got too big throwing 'rock concert' style events with 25000 people and everyone praising them for their redundant, mass appeal tracklists that attract completely ignorant people to the scene and start to destroy the principle, making it all about money.

i've been called a trainspotter once and again, because i seem to know about music, and i keep current with new tracks. my favorite DJ on earth, Frank Lorber, played the Jesper Dahlback Remix of Panash's Jack 2 Jack on saturday, twice. i DID NOT like this, as it is a nice track, but i've heard it way too many times as it is. listening to Lorber is a marvelous experience, both on the technical side as the musical taste side, and i did like his set, but i feel i have to critique him for that.

we do it because, if a bedroom DJ is mixing beautifully, playing all new tracks all the time, and never screwing up, the big DJs, the role models to those bedroom kids, the guys that get paid to do this, and paid VERY FUCKING WELL, should do it better than the bedroom kids. THAT's why trainspotters do it. i mean, a super DJ should be a complete music freak. people seem to have lost sight of that. it's his job to go out and look for the newest, freshest sounds. it's his only obligation to mix flawlessly. it is supposed to be the main thing in his life. the whole snorting cocaine, being famous, believing you are a living god, not appreciating your fans, accepting awards and fucking club skanks should come second, not first. it's supposed to be about, and only about the music.

/rant.

sure, some of us trainspotters do go overboard. and any DJ can have an off night. when you go too far, i'll be the first to say it's an exaggerated criticism. but for guys who wake up at whatever time they want to, don't have anything else to do than practice their mixing and buy new records, or actually be out spinning, and have beein doing it for over a decade, some things are unacceptable.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle dance music is taken too seriously by certain people who use these forums there is no doubt about that. they are prepared to insult people who like different music to them, and they are insulted if people dont like the music they like. producers who make music they enjoy making are often slated for doing so just because not everyone shares their passion for the music they make. Some music released these days isnt the most cutting edge stuff in the world but so what? there is loads of music that i cannot stand listening to, so i dont listen to it, i dont target the producer and make him or her feel bad for what they have done. so what if people are making money off music that you dont like? if you were offered money for doing something you enjoy doing, you would be a total retard to say no. whether or not you think its justified that djs or producers you dont like are getting paid for what they are doing, you cant really blame the producers or djs. If you dont like it then go to the labels and express your jealousy to them.. or the promoters who book the djs. Some people here take music way too seriously. It's very geekish, very annoying and yes, pretty damaging to the scene. Ory was the funniest though, 16 years old, never been to a club. poor little sod. hehe

Hahahah, nice view, we'll hafta have a chat at the MPFS party end of august

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Of course, but this is totally irrelevant to the issue I addressed, namely: *Missing quote*

To be honest, that's a load of shite. Producers aren't always forced to make commercial music. The only cases of that happening is when a producer makes a big hit then decides to go all leftfield now they have an established name. Examples of such are Orbital or FSOL, and the producer usually merely switches labels.

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Originally posted by MR FLOW Just wondered what your thoughts were on this? I have notice how annorak like some peoples comments are on this website and how tune spotting a lot of you are. Which is fine as everyone is entitled to do what they want and talk about what they want. However Almost every dj i have spoke to about this subject thinks that you guys are killing the industry. Due to constant moaning, Every dj has to play the newest stuff out or they will be barracked and slated by people on forums such as this one for playing tunes that were(dare i say it!) one month old!! Also if a single mix goes out of place they are labelled a rubbish dj and are also in line for a Slating. This i find most unfair. Now I don't know what you all listen to dance music for but I for one listen to it to have a good time and because i enjoy the music. This was what i originally did for a few years but i have felt since 2000 people have started taking dance music far too seriously due to people being what i would say is a bit to geeky about dance music. Now I expect to be called every name under the sun after stating this but i would appriciate some constructive critisim back if you are going to say anything. Your Thoughts????

I totally agree with you.A good set ,for me, doesn't consist ONLY of new songs,I love mixes with new and old songs in them.Because of this criticism some dj's don't "dear" to play those great old songs anymore.What a pity.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper Bullshit. Nobody gets FORCED to play or create anything. The problem is that these DJs are too cowardly to break loose and try something different, and conform to these wishes and requests in order to keep their paycheck and/or popularity up.

exactly

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle dance music is taken too seriously by certain people who use these forums there is no doubt about that. they are prepared to insult people who like different music to them, and they are insulted if people dont like the music they like. producers who make music they enjoy making are often slated for doing so just because not everyone shares their passion for the music they make. Some music released these days isnt the most cutting edge stuff in the world but so what? there is loads of music that i cannot stand listening to, so i dont listen to it, i dont target the producer and make him or her feel bad for what they have done. so what if people are making money off music that you dont like? if you were offered money for doing something you enjoy doing, you would be a total retard to say no. whether or not you think its justified that djs or producers you dont like are getting paid for what they are doing, you cant really blame the producers or djs. If you dont like it then go to the labels and express your jealousy to them.. or the promoters who book the djs. Some people here take music way too seriously. It's very geekish, very annoying and yes, pretty damaging to the scene. Ory was the funniest though, 16 years old, never been to a club. poor little sod. hehe

while Ory was, and still is, quite blatant, and is trigger happy to insult anyone, he possesses musical knowledge enviable by most people of any age. i think you should criticize him for how he acts rather than what he is, because few at 16 know as much as he does. he has great taste in music, and quite some concept about mixing. you using his age to devalue his character is a cheap shot IMO.

and i don't see what's wrong about being a music geek. if you're a DJ. you spin music for a living. your JOB, (ie. what you do for a living, what pays your bills) is about this music, so isn't it quite logical for you to be a geek about it? also, if EDM is what you love most, even as a fan, then again, you are probably going to end up being a geek about it as well. finally, i don't see how having an educated (read: geeky) public in the scene damages it, rather than creating a community of music lovers who know what it's about, rather than people who will dance to anything, and keep making filling the pockets of mediocre superstar DJs whilst small and up and coming ones don't stand much chance.

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Originally posted by kr00t0n Hahahah, nice view, we'll hafta have a chat at the MPFS party end of august

isnt that in september? the one im at is on the 9th i think.

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Originally posted by Inertia while Ory was, and still is, quite blatant, and is trigger happy to insult anyone, he possesses musical knowledge enviable by most people of any age. i think you should criticize him for how he acts rather than what he is, because few at 16 know as much as he does. he has great taste in music, and quite some concept about mixing. you using his age to devalue his character is a cheap shot IMO. and i don't see what's wrong about being a music geek. if you're a DJ. you spin music for a living. your JOB, (ie. what you do for a living, what pays your bills) is about this music, so isn't it quite logical for you to be a geek about it? also, if EDM is what you love most, even as a fan, then again, you are probably going to end up being a geek about it as well. finally, i don't see how having an educated (read: geeky) public in the scene damages it, rather than creating a community of music lovers who know what it's about, rather than people who will dance to anything, and keep making filling the pockets of mediocre superstar DJs whilst small and up and coming ones don't stand much chance.

ok sorry lol (im too tired to write a reply) but i still don't entirely agree. valid points being raised by both sides of this really. one thing i will say though, the people who im reffering to as geeks are the critics rather than the djs. i still stand by my view that if you dont like something you should get over it and listen to what you do like.

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Originally posted by Inertia we do it because, if a bedroom DJ is mixing beautifully, playing all new tracks all the time, and never screwing up, the big DJs, the role models to those bedroom kids, the guys that get paid to do this, and paid VERY FUCKING WELL, should do it better than the bedroom kids. THAT's why trainspotters do it. i mean, a super DJ should be a complete music freak. people seem to have lost sight of that. it's his job to go out and look for the newest, freshest sounds. it's his only obligation to mix flawlessly. it is supposed to be the main thing in his life. the whole snorting cocaine, being famous, believing you are a living god, not appreciating your fans, accepting awards and fucking club skanks should come second, not first. it's supposed to be about, and only about the music.

Excellent.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J To be honest, that's a load of shite. Producers aren't always forced to make commercial music. The only cases of that happening is when a producer makes a big hit then decides to go all leftfield now they have an established name. Examples of such are Orbital or FSOL, and the producer usually merely switches labels.

I never said anyone is forced to make commercial music, in fact I was arguing the complete opposite.

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