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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I have a feeling some artists deliberately leak their own stuff...

i support that notion.

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Originally posted by Psy-T i support that notion.

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Its called respect, having respect that you get upfront music that others don't get, if you are lucky enough to be on the promo lists. You should respect the labels by not backstabbing them or leaking their shit on the net, I've always hated those people because its being mean to labels that give you free shit.

not even people at labels can be trusted.

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Originally posted by Mortyman Even Armin says that if it were'nt for the interent, he wouldn't be where he is today.

yeah but he doesnt like shit to get leaked anymore than others do. his AMAZING downbeat interp of "yet another day" was sent out to a select few and now its not hard to find on the p2ps. I got ahold of it before it was leaked from a more "up there" source but i didnt leak it for the respect of the music and to be able to say, i have an unreleased and unleaked track on my comp.

anyway, back to point... leaking shit to a few people that you know and trust to share it is ok but putting it on p2p networks, etc or giving it to people that are gonna spread it is retarded. some people love the music but it astounds me that even with that love, they dont respect it at all.

a little bird told me that armin was part of trance galaxy

If you eat chips with Olestra, you may experience anal leakage.

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Originally posted by twisted a little bird told me that armin was part of trance galaxy

haha, i heard that too but not sure if there's any truth behind the rumour

Pardon me but I never "leaked" anything.... in the old days, I've been out of that scene for 2 years, I've never leaked anything that I've been sent at the time or since then and there's been loads, believe it or not.

In the old scene days I used to buy virtually 99% of the stuff I released, so saying I am a "leaker" is not right.... I guess you were referring to me m@t / mentalbarter ?

btw, I came under the category

"and some do it to share the beautiful music with those who can't afford to buy every single piece of music that gets released or cannot afford the equipment to play the music that's carried on vinyls."

not to have a big ego like some made out.....

thats all Im saying about this tho, cause someone will always jump down my throat about it.

You'd be very suprised some of the people that release things..... like some of the releasers in TGX for example =) I've heard a little rumour too, but its not Armin afaik.

The best one for me is every label on the planet or record shop that folds blaming "mp3 downloads" for everything :S

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Originally posted by A.J. Does it start with S and end with mcut?

you missed an 'i' out ya slag

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Originally posted by Simcut In the old scene days I used to buy virtually 99% of the stuff I released, so saying I am a "leaker" is not right.... I guess you were referring to me m@t / mentalbarter ?

eh? you cant possibly infer that from what i said. i was just looking for a reaction from someone
there's bound to be more than one on this site

i think A.J. might have been referring to you

I always used mp3s as a tool to find music I like. I think most of the people I talked to back in the glory days when just about every TA was involved in the mp3 circulation used them for the same thing. Without p2p I would have no idea what musicians I enjoyed hearing, I wouldn't have bought half of the music I own now because I would never have been exposed to it.

I still haven't seen the proof that mp3 sharing is bad for music sales, all I have seen is people playing the blame game, there isn't even any correlation between sales drops and p2p activity, there is nothing out there that I have seen that really shows that sharing music files has hurt the industry. I think it has been more helpful then harmful myself, it gives people a real choice of what they want to listen to rather then limiting people to the thgings that they get exposed to through the conventional media.

None of you kids are nearly as rightous as you act like, we all know that this community was founded on file sharing, and has been about spreading music since the beginning. The whole pre-release leakage thing is pretty sad though. I think that grew out of kids who started to have a race for who could get the most music the soonest, people would have dick measuring contests with their mp3 collections, people would start thiking that having the tunes before others made them more elite. Some of those kids with the massive collections still hang out here, acting like it never even happened, completely changing their opinion of file sharing just because it isnt acceptable in public anymore.

I think its silly to see the kids who used to be heavily involved in file trading acting the way they do now. Personally, I still download music, but I have found sources for free, legal downloads and I support artists who allow people to share their files. I am glad there are people out there on the internet who are nice enough to let others hear good music that they might not be able to obtain otherwise.

Yeah no worries M@T, I was asking the question rather than just going off on one with a presumption.

if i was one of those guys who could leak an unreleased tune (ie, someone connected with the mp3 groups) and i got sent an unreleased tune i wouldn't do it. the joy of being able to post brag-posts in forums about me having a tune that other people are screaming for and not replying to their pms, far outweighs the joy of being:

supplier: xxxxxx

in some .nfo file. no matter HOW nice the ascii is

i'm not saying i have any tunes right now to brag about but i never really delete anything i get sent from mike foyle and/or signalrunners

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Originally posted by swisstoni_uk Also to add, i'd imagine a lot of leaked material is actually produced by young internet using producers with little experience of the producing world. Leon Bolier and Jonas Steur spring to mind....

FFS man, that's the ugliest thing I ever heard. Both Leon and me are very carefull with our tracks and we actually both have already quite a lot of experience in the producing world too for your information. (My first release was in january 2000 and Leon is also already in the scene for a lot longer you might think)

The leaking happens by weak links on promo lists (on every list there's a bastard who either is a uploader himself or at least has some connections with those lowlifes, every label is constantly trying to find and kick those guys from their lists forever...some do it with great, other with little succes however, depending on how determined they are)


sorry for the gravedigging btw, I know this topic is very old already


Jonas Steur

Hey Estuera,

nice to see you posting on tranceaddict! Your tune that was featured on Tiesto's "In Search Of Sunrise 4" is a great track.

Keep up the good work.

i second the above

Leaking leaking leaking, where to start? Unfortunately it will always come down to someone giving their friend a copy, who in turn gives it to his friend, and he gives it to his and so forth, till one day the friend of a friend of a friend leaks it, but that's ok, that kind of stuff happens.

What makes the worst leakers are the people who work for distributions, they are the scum of the scum, the lowest form there is.

Someone suggested watermarking tracks, this is something that takes a LOT of work, watermarking 100+ CDs with a unique tag for each, it's almost not even worth doing. There's always gonna be some lamer on the promo list who will leak it, unavoidable, even when you send it to 'top jocks' only, somehow it finds its way on the net.

I myself have heard the stories about not necessarily Armin, but the Armada FTP and how people from TGX have access to it, but whether this is true is up for debate.

The biggest problem is that producers nowadays send out their tracks to too many people. I personally send out my work to 3 very trustworthy people and as a result none of my works have been leaked before they were out. Someone ripping a promo vinyl is not something you can control and is to be expected.

Someone mentioned that mp3 downloads do not hurt the industry, this is the most ludicrious statement ever. Sales have went down globally, not just trance, but music in general. What could have caused such a big change, perhaps the increase in P2P activity? I know know that it has affected trance considerably becuase I happen to get information on how much lables are selling these days, and the numbers are anything but impressive.

Plenty of loser producers/djs like schulz leak their own shit. schulz has his own ftp where he shares a hell of a lot of stuff of his own & other artists, most of the time probably without the knowledge of the people themselves.

As has been pointed out the buck stops with the producer / label. If they were more careful about how they share their track initially before release then it would never make it onto the internet. Why is it that PvD's new single or any John Askew tracks never seem to pop up before release? because they arent idiots. markus schulz is an idiot. If you associate yourself with gimps like arturob/starfox then of course your tracks are going to be all over the net in seconds.

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Originally posted by Zombie0915 I always used mp3s as a tool to find music I like. I think most of the people I talked to back in the glory days when just about every TA was involved in the mp3 circulation used them for the same thing. Without p2p I would have no idea what musicians I enjoyed hearing, I wouldn't have bought half of the music I own now because I would never have been exposed to it. I still haven't seen the proof that mp3 sharing is bad for music sales, all I have seen is people playing the blame game, there isn't even any correlation between sales drops and p2p activity, there is nothing out there that I have seen that really shows that sharing music files has hurt the industry. I think it has been more helpful then harmful myself, it gives people a real choice of what they want to listen to rather then limiting people to the thgings that they get exposed to through the conventional media. None of you kids are nearly as rightous as you act like, we all know that this community was founded on file sharing, and has been about spreading music since the beginning. The whole pre-release leakage thing is pretty sad though. I think that grew out of kids who started to have a race for who could get the most music the soonest, people would have dick measuring contests with their mp3 collections, people would start thiking that having the tunes before others made them more elite. Some of those kids with the massive collections still hang out here, acting like it never even happened, completely changing their opinion of file sharing just because it isnt acceptable in public anymore. I think its silly to see the kids who used to be heavily involved in file trading acting the way they do now. Personally, I still download music, but I have found sources for free, legal downloads and I support artists who allow people to share their files. I am glad there are people out there on the internet who are nice enough to let others hear good music that they might not be able to obtain otherwise.

+1

Dave Clark is right

people who share with anyone will get their tunes leaked right away, especially with lemmins like arturob

they rush to the p2p's with "omg i have new mcschulz ch00ne l33t"


the labels need to shape up and shorten their promo lists

and the artists themselves need to check who theyre sending their shit to

This whole "leaking" thing doesnt bug me at all. You know why? Because I dont care as much as you guys do about new releases. By the time I really want to get my hands on a release/MP3, it has already been a long time since its release!!!

I tend to start looking into music the other way around: the older stuff first, newer stuff later. After all, it is tougher and tougher to get older stuff as the time goes by.

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Originally posted by A.J. Hey Estuera, nice to see you posting on tranceaddict! Your tune that was featured on Tiesto's "In Search Of Sunrise 4" is a great track. Keep up the good work.

I second that, Palma Solane (Have i got it right this time i always mis-spell) is pretty much one of my top 5 trance tracks this year, and i have huge standards these days

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Originally posted by DC- Someone mentioned that mp3 downloads do not hurt the industry, this is the most ludicrious statement ever. Sales have went down globally, not just trance, but music in general. What could have caused such a big change, perhaps the increase in P2P activity? I know know that it has affected trance considerably becuase I happen to get information on how much lables are selling these days, and the numbers are anything but impressive.

It's a vicious circle. You could say that the standard of tunes has gone down (as I do) which means I buy less simply because I'm not going to buy tunes I have no intention of ever playing, that would be a waste of money, and a lot of my money goes on other forms of EDM or Rock music now instead of trance.

Secondly, there are those who never buy after downloading, but that number should be offset against those who have actually used p2p or the internet to actually discover artists, eg yourself. Would any of us know who you were without the net ? no, and that goes for a lot of people.

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Originally posted by Estuera FFS man, that's the ugliest thing I ever heard. Both Leon and me are very carefull with our tracks and we actually both have already quite a lot of experience in the producing world too for your information. (My first release was in january 2000 and Leon is also already in the scene for a lot longer you might think) The leaking happens by weak links on promo lists (on every list there's a bastard who either is a uploader himself or at least has some connections with those lowlifes, every label is constantly trying to find and kick those guys from their lists forever...some do it with great, other with little succes however, depending on how determined they are) sorry for the gravedigging btw, I know this topic is very old already Jonas Steur

amen to that

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