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I've no problem, I simply maintain that the original 126BPM version of Acid Tracks is from 1986. Historical sources have a tendancy to conflict. I could have done without the roll-eyes though.

However, Ian^ managed to piss me off without posting anything to actually settle the thing. Hence my continued presence in the thread.

I think, however, that we all of us listen to, or at least enjoy, a bit of cheese now and then, or just in general. If you don't, j00 are lying to yourself.

Everyone likes cheese because i can gurantee everyone on this message board has done the YMCA dance.

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Originally posted by JakeC Everyone likes cheese because i can gurantee everyone on this message board has done the YMCA dance.

It's doubtful. But back when I was younger, me and some friends used to make fun of this girl, singing "Why's Tina Gay?" in the YMCA style.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred It's doubtful. But back when I was younger, me and some friends used to make fun of this girl, singing "Why's Tina Gay?" in the YMCA style.

You bullied a lesbian?

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Originally posted by JakeC You bullied a lesbian?

nah, she actually turned out to be a pretty good looking lass, after the years went by lol.

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Originally posted by AlphaStarred nah, she actually turned out to become a pretty good looking lass, after the years went by lol.

All girls are lesbians at heart......

No.

You can't exclude genres just because the song you favored didnt win. You lose all credibility if you do so. You might as well just declare your own winner.

Stop living in the past. (lol)

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Originally posted by tribu No. You can't exclude genres just because the song you favored didnt win. You lose all credibility if you do so. You might as well just declare your own winner.

No, that's not the reason or the "just because". The reasons are:

1. People don't want pop music in the new TOTY's, but vote for it in the old ones because they're ignorant.
2. Pop music from that time has already been recognized by popular culture.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Hehe. Tell me the difference between The Prodigy's Out of Space, and the Warp Brothers' Blast the Speakers. One's the only good track said group ever made, the other is one of many, many great tunes by said group. The similarity is that they're both cheesey as fuck, and still monstrously good tunes. And please, what famous and sucessful tunes have I "bitched" about? I'm listening to Acid Tracks now. Great tune, love the cow bell. I'm just going on what my documentary of the Chicago scene tells me. The only reason you don't believe my word is you think that it's less valid if someone aged 17 reads it than someone three years older. Which makes you a prejudiced prick really, doesn't it? And someone who needs to appreciate a bit of cheese once in a million years.

Blast the speakers is fucking AWSOME! Sick bassline! One of my many guilty pleasures

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Originally posted by Aiwendil 2. Pop music from that time has already been recognized by popular culture.

+1

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Originally posted by PersianMafia Blast the speakers is fucking AWSOME! Sick bassline! One of my many guilty pleasures

Exactly. Most Warp Brothers is complete shite, but I'm willing to recognise the one time they got it right. Ian however, obviously judges music on who makes it rather than what it sounds like.

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Originally posted by tribu No. You can't exclude genres just because the song you favored didnt win. You lose all credibility if you do so. You might as well just declare your own winner.

the fact that my favored song didnt win is not my reason for asking this.
if say 'strings of life' would have won over my choice (acid tracks) i wouldnt have questioned it like i'm doing here.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil No, that's not the reason or the "just because". The reasons are: 1. People don't want pop music in the new TOTY's, but vote for it in the old ones because they're ignorant. 2. Pop music from that time has already been recognized by popular culture.

I still disagree. I understand these aren't necessarily the motivations (as Derek has since said) behind the change, but I still dont think the alteration should be made.

If people vote for pop music because they're ignorant of the others, then they shouldn't be voting at all; a solution to this is to post samples, or to ask those unaware of all the options not to vote until judging each of them. Additionally, you're also excluding a population of people who had heard the songs provided and choose the pop songs over the other options provided. In a TOTY contest, people won't necessarily choose the best quality song or the best production, but instead the one which speaks most to them. Im guessing the mean age of the forums is going to place most of the users in childhood during the late 80s and pop spoke to many of us more than anything else at that time.

Your second argument is weak. Not to recognize something because it has been previously awarded is antithetical to trying to name some the best, as we are trying to do.

One alternative might be to name it the 1987 EDM TOTY voting, if you do choose to remove pop, Derek. And I know your song lost, but might it have had more of a chance with the new rules you're proposing?

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Originally posted by tribu I still disagree. I understand these aren't necessarily the motivations (as Derek has since said) behind the change, but I still dont think the alteration should be made. If people vote for pop music because they're ignorant of the others, then they shouldn't be voting at all; a solution to this is to post samples, or to ask those unaware of all the options not to vote until judging each of them. Additionally, you're also excluding a population of people who had heard the songs provided and choose the pop songs over the other options provided. In a TOTY contest, people won't necessarily choose the best quality song or the best production, but instead the one which speaks most to them. Im guessing the mean age of the forums is going to place most of the users in childhood during the late 80s and pop spoke to many of us more than anything else at that time. Your second argument is weak. Not to recognize something because it has been previously awarded is antithetical to trying to name some the best, as we are trying to do.

But you're not naming the best, you're naming what you know and what your favorite is. These polls are never to determine the best track of anything. The point is that House and Techno and other things don't have a chance because they aren't people's favorites, but they deserve a chance because they are valid and important, ESPECIALLY ON A TRANCE FORUM, MAKING THESE KINDS OF MUSIC INSTRUMENTAL IN THE HISTORY OF THE MUSIC YOU LISTEN TO. I find it somewhat undercutting that the ignorance of the people here lets them ignore the very musics that gave birth to and without which they would not be here now. U2 got their awards from MTV(or whatever) 15 years ago. Now let the daddies of your music be recognized or get the fuck out. I know that pop spoke to you, and I don't care. Samples won't work, they don't listen to Marshall Jefferson for a reason. You think they'll pick a house groove that they hate (it's not ubertrance!) over their favorite Roling Stones track just because they heard a sample? No. I guess we agree on one thing. They shouldn't be voting at all. In fact any poll on this website spanning a time before 1999 is largely useless.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil But you're not naming the best, you're naming what you know and what your favorite is. These polls are never to determine the best track of anything. The point is that House and Techno and other things don't have a chance because they aren't people's favorites, but they deserve a chance because they are valid and important, ESPECIALLY ON A TRANCE FORUM, MAKING THESE KINDS OF MUSIC INSTRUMENTAL IN THE HISTORY OF THE MUSIC YOU LISTEN TO. I find it somewhat undercutting that the ignorance of the people here lets them ignore the very musics that gave birth to and without which they would not be here now. U2 got their awards from MTV(or whatever) 15 years ago. Now let the daddies of your music be recognized or get the fuck out. I know that pop spoke to you, and I don't care. Samples won't work, they don't listen to Marshall Jefferson for a reason. You think they'll pick a house groove that they hate (it's not ubertrance!) over their favorite Roling Stones track just because they heard a sample? No. I guess we agree on one thing. They shouldn't be voting at all. In fact any poll on this website spanning a time before 1999 is largely useless.

Thanks, I dont disagree with you so much this time, as derek and I have discussed

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