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Originally posted by Candeeman Not cheese, muppet, pure epic tunes.

ahahha muppet...thats funny

I have to agree.... Trance hasn't been the same since 2003... productions were much more original then. Of course there are exceptions, but in general I feel a shift towards more Progressive stuff

I too am getting more into Deep/Tech/Electro house, because it's what's moving people these days... and it's different from everything else... but that too will get boring after a while and maybe we will welcome Trance into our brains again

just my 2 cents

I agree that it has changed, but the diversity of trance over time can always keep me interested. Sometimes I think I am getting tired of it but then I just whip out some of the classic tracks and I am right back into it.

To all who think that trance isn't undergoing a creative crisis:

Go to a random house music board (mercuryserver.com is a good one) and check to see whether its members complain about the recent state of house music. You will see that virtually no one does.

Then contrast that to trance boards, where almost every day out pops a thread criticizing the genre.

It's time to see the writing on the wall.

See this thread for the most recent edition of "OMG I've been listening to crap? Unpossible!"

My take, from the same thread:

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Originally posted by Cobalt Eh, honestly, how long were you listening? And how far back did you go from where you picked up the genre? How many different styles did you listen to aside from the overblown epic stuff? Your answers may vary, but I'd say most fans who claim to "grow out" of trance never actually got into trance in the first place. I've noticed a pattern over the past five years or so, one which I took my turn on as well. The average trance listener faces an identity crisis after about a year or two, with sudden realization that much of what got them into the genre was relative crap. Enter progressive from stage left. From there the roads diverge: some leave trance forever and continue hopping genres; some retain an interest in trance, subordinate to some other EDM genre, for which trance was a stepping stone to reaching; finally, some return to trance after their identity crisis, begin to explore the genre's many other facets, and generally stick with it in the long term. I would say I fall in the last camp. After recruitment by the '99 blitz, I hit my progressive phase in 2000, much like the rest of the British isles. I fell into Digweed, Satoshi Tomiie, et al. But instead of becoming an obnoxious proghead (like so many who frequented TA in 2002), I decided that the dubby ploddy sound had lost the plot. Epic trance grows sickly sweet, but progressive house becomes as boring as daily potatoes. So trance called me back via its alternative forms. Soon she revealed to me her illustrious past, and has held me strong since.

But damn, is that electro-progressive stuff ever pulling me closer these days.

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Originally posted by Cobalt See this thread for the most recent edition of "OMG I've been listening to crap? Unpossible!" My take, from the same thread:

Don't get me wrong, I still listen to a lot of goa/psy trance and 'classic' trance that dates back to before 1996.

I am not claiming that trance in its essence is an inferior genre. My observation is merely that the trance mainstream today is undergoing a creative crisis.

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Originally posted by armandzadza To all who think that trance isn't undergoing a creative crisis: Go to a random house music board (mercuryserver.com is a good one) and check to see whether its members complain about the recent state of house music. You will see that virtually no one does. Then contrast that to trance boards, where almost every day out pops a thread criticizing the genre. It's time to see the writing on the wall.

I'd believe that. Its the same on any psy board. You get criticism of some tracks and albums (generally the more trancier sounding stuff), but generally there is a huge ammount of unity, positivity and optimism for the scene.

TA is just one big fuckoff jaded bunch of geezers bitching about how it used to be. God, that is why I love it so much. To be here watching this is like watching ancient Rome rip itself apart. Kinda sad but necessary for evolution. I hope it doesnt stop either, its the only way it'll change from this pathetic supersaw drivelling mess into something respectable again.

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Originally posted by armandzadza I am not claiming that trance in its essence is an inferior genre. My observation is merely that the trance mainstream today is undergoing a creative crisis.

Oh, absolutely. It has been since at least 2003, perhaps earlier. One can recognize that and still be a "tranceaddict". In fact, I'd probably argue that any legit trance fan must recognize this; only inexperienced and transient listeners don't at this point.

That is a really great post, Cobalt. You summed it all up pretty damned good. And I can sure relate. I'm surprised I missed that thread!

This definatly caught my eye at the end...

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So trance called me back via its alternative forms. Soon she revealed to me her illustrious past, and has held me strong since.

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Originally posted by Axolotyl TA is just one big fuckoff jaded bunch of geezers bitching about how it used to be. God, that is why I love it so much. To be here watching this is like watching ancient Rome rip itself apart. Kinda sad but necessary for evolution. I hope it doesnt stop either, its the only way it'll change from this pathetic supersaw drivelling mess into something respectable again.

Well said!

Trance would pull me in again right now if it had the funky beat. But where's the funky beat? I can't find the funky beat there. Shsshshshshshaaaa.

So when will trance return to the glory days, guys?

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Originally posted by Parpyparpy So when will trance return to the glory days, guys?

It's a useless question, really. Fun to speculate on, but useless.

Innovation always happens small, without notice, and then rapidly takes over before the old trend even realizes what hit it. It could happen next year, five years, or longer for trance to suddenly reinvent from the ground up. There have been a ton of superficial efforts at makeover since 99, such as Ferry's 'electro' thing, but nothing has really changed at the epic root.

It was more meant to be a discussion sparker... Even though someone here probably has a time machine and knows the exact answer to my question (which is exactly what I was expecting).

I say listen to whatever the fukk you want and don't whine about losing interest in a certain genre/artist/whatever. So much stuff crosses the lines between trance-progressive trance-house-techno-electro-minimal-etc., it's useless categorizing music and shutting off part of it.

The reason that electronic music pulled me in was the fact that it was raw, untamed, and purely for the sound. In almost every genre you have sort of fashion or chic (including EDM) that distracts from the actual music. But the roots of electronic music come from the love of sound and not the style.

I entered these forums and started reading them quite a bit in the begining of the year and there are many great things that have come from it (learning about new music, sharing my mixes, meeting people), but there is one thing that has got to me in a bad way. The constant bashing of genres and artists. I know it's just people's opinions but I don't see why people go to such great lengths. Some even go as far as bashing artist's in their custom status (*cough* aloep *cough*). And for a while I thought their must be something about that artist that would cause a person to go way out of his way to bash them and it affected the way I listened to that artist. I was listening for something in the music that would cause such hatred. Which was very annoying as it distracted me from enjoying it or just taking it for what it was. Then I soon discovered the truth..

There is a major hate machine on these forums that many people like to be a part of and it's getting very annoying. The allure of the advanced music listener who dispizes trance because it is clearly a lower form of music. It's a ridiculous notion, tempting at first, but clearly flawed after having the same thing repeated over and over.

I'll tell you why it's flawed. Trance is SUPPOSED to be surface area (as is all EDM really). It's supposed to be immediately enjoyable to the listener and that causes it to be superficial, obvious and unabashed. And all these people complaining about Trance being too fluffy or too cheesey these days doesn't realize that it hasn't changed at all, it has always been about this fluffy folks. Sure some songs are fluffier than others, and some just plain suck. But the ratio is about the same.

Ok, so the quality of the music hasn't changed, you have. You've become more sophisticated right?

No. You've bought into the fact that Trance is a lesser genre and have adopted the 'chic' of EDM and now only enjoy it's more subtle genres.

I feel sorry for you. I personally am loving so many different genres atm. And it's only expanding as I am exploring new artists (thanks mostly to TA ). I listen to ASOT and GDJB every once in a while (it can get pretty old, they come out every week for god-sakes! And btw ASOT and GDJB are NOT commercial bullshit, MTV is commercial bullshit! It's internet radio ffs ) And I enjoy my share of house, prog, techno, chill/ambient, minimal, a little acid here and there, and my tastes are only getting more expansive.

So I guess my main point is: Stop pigeonholing music and listen to it for what it is! You will have a much better time.

And btw this..

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Originally posted by Roy123 Does anyone feel the same as i do regarding trance and it's lack of creativity in the past 6 months or so ??

is such a nieve question if you been here any amount of time at all. Which you have. So either you just crave to be welcomed on the bandwagon or you are a complete dolt.

man its interesting seeing people argue about music and how crappy, or good it has gotten, because there is always that one person that will comment on it, and then rapid chain of posts ensue. man thats some funny shit.

to me, i think trance has gotten better, more creative, somewhat more original. i started listening to trance in 2000 when i heard atb's movin melodies album, and from there i got hooked. but i do question on some trance because it sounds the same, but overall i still love trance.

i think to those who listen to JUST trance should listen to other variations of this creative music, like hardtrance, psytrance, and any other variation i might have missed. i think these people complain because they don't explore other music as well. these people in my opinion just listen to what is given to them, explore a little more, you might find somthing more fresh.

i would have to give props to Cobalt for that message on identity crisis, that was good.

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Originally posted by djmetatron And all these people complaining about Trance being too fluffy or too cheesey these days doesn't realize that it hasn't changed at all, it has always been about this fluffy folks. Sure some songs are fluffier than others, and some just plain suck. But the ratio is about the same.

Da fuck?!? Until the huge rise in popularity of gatecrasher style uplifting and dutch trance, it was about acid, goa and just plain old trance which sounded more like the prog of today. Before that, well it was as cold as fuck and more like techno with buildups.

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Originally posted by djmetatron I feel sorry for you. I personally am loving so many different genres atm. And it's only expanding as I am exploring new artists (thanks mostly to TA ). I listen to ASOT and GDJB every once in a while (it can get pretty old, they come out every week for god-sakes! And btw ASOT and GDJB are NOT commercial bullshit, MTV is commercial bullshit! It's internet radio ffs ) And I enjoy my share of house, prog, techno, chill/ambient, minimal, a little acid here and there, and my tastes are only getting more expansive.

well arnt you mr fancy pants?

Fair enough, your entitled to your opinion, but arnt you coming off just a tad superior? We're bitching about trance, not asking for recommendations on how to enrich our lives through EDM diversity. I'd say most people here listen to something other than trance. Doesnt change the fact of the matter, that theres a crisis on the horizon.

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Originally posted by Axolotyl Da fuck?!? Until the huge rise in popularity of gatecrasher style uplifting and dutch trance, it was about acid, goa and just plain old trance which sounded more like the prog of today. Before that, well it was as cold as fuck and more like techno with buildups.

I was talking about trance. Not acid or goa. And if the trance you listened to back then sounded like the prog of today then why do you call it trance? It would be prog if it sounded like prog.

What I was refering to was the people who loved Goureyella and hate trance now because it's too fluffy.

It sounds like you specifically never really liked trance as it is defined today.

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Originally posted by Axolotyl well arnt you mr fancy pants? Fair enough, your entitled to your opinion, but arnt you coming off just a tad superior? We're bitching about trance, not asking for recommendations on how to enrich our lives through EDM diversity. I'd say most people here listen to something other than trance. Doesnt change the fact of the matter, that theres a crisis on the horizon.

I didn't mean to come off as superior. I guess I wanted to let you know I wasn't simply a trance whore.

And I don't see a crisis in trance, it is what it is. I think your making it up in your head just like fundamentalist christians see the apocalypse coming...

"It's coming.. It's coming!!!"

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Originally posted by djmetatron I was talking about trance. Not acid or goa. And if the trance you listened to back then sounded like the prog of today then why do you call it trance? It would be prog if it sounded like prog. What I was refering to was the people who loved Goureyella and hate trance now because it's too fluffy. It sounds like you specifically never really liked trance as it is defined today.

Listen to Northern Exposure and tell me it sounds ANYTHING like gouryella. Three Drives, Art of Trance, Union Jack, L.S.G. All this stuff goes way back before then and theres not a breakdown or supersaw in sight (well maybe, but they were used sparingly) Its not acid and its certainly not goa trance either. Fuck off I never liked trance...

Trance existed before Ferry or Tiesto got their dirty stinking hands on it. Theres a line there. Theres a line in the cheese and they crossed it and somehow were surrounded by it now.

Who knows, your probably right. Who cares, its not like bitching about it's going to do anything

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Originally posted by djmetatron I didn't mean to come off as superior. I guess I wanted to let you know I wasn't simply a trance whore. And I don't see a crisis in trance, it is what it is. I think your making it up in your head just like fundamentalist christians see the apocalypse coming... "It's coming.. It's coming!!!"

Uh... dude, your being superior again.

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Originally posted by Axolotyl Uh... dude, your being superior again.

that time I meant it.

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is such a nieve question if you been here any amount of time at all. Which you have. So either you just crave to be welcomed on the bandwagon or you are a complete dolt.

Hey , first of all i dont really know what is the "Bandwagon" that everyone is talking about ? any definition from u guys would be appreciated

Secondly , i dont spend here as much time as u may think i spend here . I take a glance from time to time but surely due to lack of time i dont visit here as much often as before so forgive me for me "being naive" . Anyway this thread wasn't meant to be a bashing nor a fighting thread , i only stated my opinion and i wanted to know if anyone else feels the way i do , That's All !


Roy

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Originally posted by djmetatron I was talking about trance. Not acid or goa. And if the trance you listened to back then sounded like the prog of today then why do you call it trance? It would be prog if it sounded like prog.

Because it was called trance back then. Why should we change its name when a more popular offshoot ends up taking the name for itself because it bares some similarities in sound? If anything, the epic euro stuff should have a new name.

It's the same as the old 'techno' debate.

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Originally posted by Candeeman Not cheese, muppet, pure epic tunes.

epic in a sense of 'i want to kill myself when i hear the vocals so badly i would take the lives of others aswell'

maybe we should blame above & beyond & andy moor for the london bombings as its quite clear the suicide bombers were listening to air for life on their 10 quid 512meg mp3 sticks from ebay.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Shsshshshshshaaaa.

You're sounding like that introductory hihat to Vanilla Ice - Ice ice baby. Whether that's a good thing is up to you.

It's got a fairly funky beat though

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