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what are you some human rights lawyer
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| Originally posted by raydn I'm actually really amazed that you managed to magic up and read so much much out that single sentence I wrote. In case you forgot the thread topic is about 'Islamic radicals'. I don't know what planet you must be living in if you think the UK benefits from having people here preaching hate against us. So where did i mention or even indicate that i was refering to descent muslims or even muslims?. I also seem to recall 4 descent British-born Muslims that decided to go sightseeing in london a few weeks ago.  I spose thats a hate crime to point that out |
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| Originally posted by ali92 OK. About the Muslim part: if you're Islamic, you're a Muslim. If you're an Islamist, then you support or have the same views that present themselves of the Islamic religion. Nothing more. |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z You're so full of shit. On the one hand you don't tolerate the killing of innocent Westerners (which you shouldn't), but, on the other hand, you're absolutely OK with innocent Iraqi's being killed (which you shouldn't aswell). |
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Majority of the prisoners in Abu Gharib are just normal citizens who have nothing to do with insurgency or terrorism, who're being tortured and sexualy abused as we speak. |
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Fucking uraniums bullets the military is using is casuing thousands of Iraqi children to be born with horrendous fucking defects as we speak. |
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How the fuck is targeting and bombing water and energy supplies colateral damage? |
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It's very hypocritical of you to not tolerate innocents British/Americans being killed whereas you don't give a shit about the plight of the Iraqi's nor are you proposing any actions being taken to stop the attrocities currently taking place in Iraq as we speak. |
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And this isn't just limited to Iraq, but broader British/US policies in the Middle East over the last few decades. If you're going to criticize attrocities and injustices, then don't pick which ones will and which ones you won't. They're all wrong. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r This is an assumption; he never stated that. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Really? How are we so sure about that? Oh come now; you'd think the U.N. would be all over this. Why isn't the blood-house leftist media picking THIS up??? That's front page news no? |
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ZNet | Terror War Irregular Weapons Used Against Iraq by Simon Helweg-Larsen; April 07, 2003 This document presents collected information on irregular weapons used by the United States and the United Kingdom since the official beginning of their war against Iraq. Regular air and ground weapons such as missiles, light bombs and bullets often cause more civilian casualties than irregular weapons (cluster weapons, depleted uranium, napalm, etc.). However, the terrorizing, indiscriminate, experimental, and often long-lasting nature of these weapons make for horrible and illegal battle tactics. In no way do I suggest that the invasion of Iraq would be legally, morally, or otherwise justified given the absence of these weapons. However, their usage adds an element of lasting terror and suffering which significantly worsens this already horrific and illegal war. At this stage of the war, and probably indefinitely, a complete list of instances in which these weapons were used would be impossible to compile. The amount of information seeping through Iraqi battlefields and cities is likely to be incredibly small compared to the reality on the ground. Still, a collection of examples that have surfaced in the English-language media will help to document the use of these atrocious weapons. CLUSTER BOMBS AND MUNITIONS Cluster bombs, dropped from the air, and cluster munitions, fired from the ground, are designated as such because they fragment into many smaller bombs. When a cluster weapon is dropped or fired, it opens in the air and disperses hundreds of smaller explosives (submunitions, or bomblets) which scatter over an area of up to hundreds of thousands of feet. Most of these submunitions explode upon impact, but between 5% and 30% fail to ignite. These �duds� retain their deadly features, and typically will explode immediately when touched. Herein lies the main threat to civilians, since dud bombs act as landmines across vast areas for many years. During the first Gulf War, the US and its allies dropped cluster bombs containing around 20 million bomblets. In addition, cluster munitions spread more than 30 million bomblets. In Kuwait, around 200 cluster duds are still being found and destroyed each month. In Afghanistan, the United States dropped 1,228 CBU-87 cluster bombs containing 248,056 bomblets. Assuming a 7% failure rate, this would leave roughly 17,363 unexploded bomblets scattered across Afghanistan. The US and UK are quick to point out that cluster bombs and cluster munitions are not specifically banned under the 1997 Ottawa Mine Ban Treaty. Still, the indiscriminate nature of scattered explosives and the lingering danger of unexploded bombs make these weapons nearly identical to landmines. A strong case can also be made that cluster bombs and munitions are illegal under the Geneva Convention, which demands the protection of civilians even when intermingled with military personnel. Cluster Bombs used against Iraq The US and the UK both officially acknowledged on April 3 that their air forces have been dropping cluster bombs on Iraq. Judging by the high numbers of cluster bombs dropped by the US on Afghanistan, Kosovo, and Iraq in 1991, the bombs have probably been used much more often than has been reported. � On April 1, the residential al-Hilla outskirts of Babylon were hit with an undetermined number of BLU-97 A/B cluster bombs. Each bomb releases 202 bomblets which scatter over an area the size of two football fields, with a dud rate of 5%-7%. Immediate reports stated that at least 33 civilians died and around 300 were injured in the attack. Amnesty International condemned the attack, saying that �the use of cluster bombs in an attack on a civilian area of al-Hilla constitutes an indiscriminate attack and a grave violation of international humanitarian law." Independent reporter Robert Fisk wrote from al-Hilla, saying that many dud bombs landed, and remain, inside civilian homes. � The British Ministry of Defence said on April 3 that RAF Harrier jets had dropped RBL755 cluster bombs on unspecified locations in Iraq. These bombs scatter 147 bomblets, and have a 10% rate of failure. � Also on April 3, the United States reported that it had used B-52 bombers to drop six CBU-105 cluster bombs on Iraqi tanks defending Baghdad. On the same day, Iraq�s Information Minister reported that a cluster bomb attack on Baghdad had killed 14 people and wounded 66. Cluster Munitions used against Iraq Cluster munitions are similar to cluster bombs, but are fired from the ground and contained in artillery projectiles or rockets. When artillery or rockets fire cluster munitions, the result is the same as in cluster bombs: multiple bomblets scatter, many of which fail to explode. Human Rights Watch reported that more than 4,000 civilians were killed or injured by cluster munitions in Iraq after the end of the first Gulf War. The UK has admitted to firing cluster munitions around Basra. The US has yet to report that it is using cluster munitions, but numerous reports and videos from journalists embedded with US units show these munitions in use. � Multiple Launch Rocket Systems (MLRS), which only use cluster munitions, have been used by artillery units of the US 3rd Infantry Division. The standard warhead for the MLRS contains 644 M77 individual submunitions, also known as dual-purpose grenades, which have a failure rate of 16%. The standard volley of 12 MLRS rockets would leave more than 1,200 unexploded grenades over an area of 120,000-240,000 meters. � On March 28, while supporting the 101st Airborne Division, US MLRS fired 18 Army Tactical Missile System (ATACMS) against suspected air defense sites. An ATACMS releases either 300 or 950 submunitions and has a 2% rate of failure. � An embedded journalist reported �hundreds of grenades� being fired by the 3rd Light Armored Reconnaissance Battalion using 155mm artillery. Human Rights Watch believes these were M483A1 and M864 projectiles, which release 88 and 72 dual-purpose grenades respectively and have a 14% rate of failure. � Two US Marines died after stepping on unexploded cluster munitions in southern Iraq on March 28 and March 29. � The British Ministry of Defence says that it has fired cluster shells on Basra. L20 cluster shells have been shot from long-range (30km) howitzers at targets described as �in the open.� These Israeli-made shells contain 49 bomblets with a failure rate of 5%. NAPALM Napalm is an incendiary chemical mix first tested during the Second World War, but used mainly during the Vietnam War. The mix, stored in bombs and dropped from the air, was initially used to clear jungle landing pads, but has also been used against civilian populations. The US claims to have stopped using napalm in the early 1970s and officially destroyed its last batch of stockpiled napalm on April 4, 2001. � On March 22, reporters from CNN and the Sydney Morning Herald / Melbourne Age embedded with the 1st Battalion 7th Marines at Safwan Hill near Basra reported air strikes dropping napalm to beat Iraqi resistance. Martin Savidge of CNN said, It is now estimated the hill was hit so badly by missiles, artillery and by the Air Force, that they shaved a couple of feet off it. And anything that was up there that was left after all the explosions was then hit with napalm. And that pretty much put an end to any Iraqi operations up on that hill. Lindsay Murdoch wrote for the Sydney Morning Herald and the Melbourne Age, �[Marine artillery] were supported by US Navy aircraft which dropped 40,000 pounds of explosives and napalm.� When the Age�s foreign editor asked Murdoch to confirm the napalm use, the account was repeated to her by a marine officer. The US Navy denied the reports, submitting this letter to the Herald, Your story ('Dead bodies everywhere', by Lindsay Murdoch, March 22, 2003) claiming US forces are using napalm in Iraq, is patently false. The US took napalm out of service in the early 1970s. We completed destruction of our last batch of napalm on April 4, 2001, and no longer maintain any stocks of napalm. - Jeff A. Davis, Lieutenant Commander, US Navy, Office of the Assistant Secretary of Defense. BUNKER BUSTER BOMBS The GBU-28 Bunker Buster is a 5,000 pound bomb designed to penetrate up to 6 meters of concrete or 30 meters of earth before exploding. While former Nobel Peace Prize nominee Helen Caldicott warns that the casing of bunker busters are made of uranium 238 (depleted uranium, or DU), it is unclear whether the GBU-28 used on Iraq contains DU. � Two bunker busters were dropped in Baghdad on March 28. The bombs hit a communications tower and dug �huge craters� around the main telephone exchange center. Little information has surfaced from the attack, and there has been no indication as to why a penetrating bomb was used on an above ground target. DEPLETED URANIUM Used in anti-tank shells since the first Gulf War, depleted uranium (DU) is uranium 238, the isotope remaining after uranium 235 has been enriched for use in nuclear weapons or reactors. When DU-tipped shells are fired at high speeds from tanks or planes, the radioactive material burns through tank armor, igniting the vehicle. After exploding, 70% of the shell is vaporized into tiny particles and can be carried by the wind for many miles. Although DU is only half as radioactive as uranium 235, the tiny particles can become trapped inside the human body for long periods of time, creating serious health problems. During the first Gulf War, US tanks fired 14,000 DU shells, and anti-tank aircraft fired another 940,000 rounds, leaving a total of 564,000 pounds of DU either vaporized or unexploded on the desert floor. Iraqis have since experienced extremely abnormal rates of cancer, birth defects, and miscarriages in the areas where DU was used, particularly around Basra. The �Gulf War Syndrome� experienced by US veterans has also been widely blamed on depleted uranium. The US and UK are unapologetic about DU, however, insisting that it poses no health risks and refusing to reduce DU usage in the current war on Iraq. DU will be used in most tank battles, and the amount and location of DU shells are impossible to judge at this point. DU shells are also being used against exposed troops as well as tanks, a tactic which may be used increasingly as tanks begin to wage urban warfare in Baghdad and Basra. � On March 28, a tank unit fired two 120mm DU rounds down the main road of urban Kifl, creating a vacuum effect that �literally sucked guerrillas out from their hideaways into the street, where they were shot down by small arms fire or run over by the tanks.� For a complete list of sources and footnotes, to suggest instances not documented in this article, or for other inquiries, please contact Simon Helweg-Larsen at [email protected] |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z That's a really stupid argument, if it's not in mainstream media it's not happening. Here you go. This is from ZNet where Chomsky and others who're labelled as "left" have blogs etc. And this is just a counter-example to your "why isn't it in the "leftist" media?" I've put the depleated Uranium bit in bold if you don't want to read all of it. |
Militants Who Praised London Attacks Could Face Treason
OMG!
Could it be?? An actual leader with...BALLS???
Why the hell don't they do this on this side of the pond??
Jihad Jane would be there in a flash...
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Militants Who Praised London Attacks Could Face Treason Sunday, August 07, 2005 LONDON � British prosecutors said Sunday they would consider treason charges against any Islamic extremists who express support for terrorism, as a Briton suspected of links to Al Qaeda was deported from Zambia. Haroon Rashid Aswat, a British citizen of Indian descent, had been detained in Lusaka since July 20, where he was questioned about 20 phone calls reportedly made on his South African cell phone with some of the bombers responsible for the July 7 attacks that killed 56 people in London. He was deported Sunday, said Zambian Home Affairs Secretary Peter Mumba. BBC television showed footage of a plane arriving at Northolt air base in west London. A police van, believed to be carrying Aswat, then drove from the base to Paddington Green police station. A police spokesman declined to confirm that Aswat � from the same town in northern England as one of the bombing suspects � had been extradited or whether he faces charges in Britain. Aswat was also implicated in efforts in 1999 to set up a terrorist training camp in Bly, Ore., according to Oregon prosecutors. Meanwhile, Attorney General Lord Goldmsith's office said the Crown Prosecution Service's head of anti-terrorism would meet with senior Metropolitan Police officers to discuss possible charges against three prominent clerics as part of a crackdown on those the government believes are inciting terrorism. Clerics Omar Bakri Mohammed, Abu Izzaden and Abu Uzair, have appeared on British television in recent days and a spokeswoman for Lord Goldmsith's office said prosecutors and police would look at remarks made by the three and consider whether they could face charges of treason, incitement to treason, solicitation of murder, or incitement to withhold information known to be of use to police. Mohammed has reportedly said since the July 7 attacks that he would not inform police if he knew Muslims were planning another attack and he supports insurgents who attack troops in Iraq and Afghanistan. "No decision on charges has been made yet," the attorney general's office spokeswoman said, speaking anonymously because British civil servants are rarely allowed to be quoted by name. The spokeswoman said prosecutors may also seek access to taped recordings made by an undercover Sunday Times reporter who reportedly recorded members of a radical group praising the suicide bombers as "The Fantastic Four." The newspaper's story said its reporter spent two months as a "recruit" of the group, the Savior Sect, and described the organization as inciting young British Muslims to become terrorists. On Sunday, British police charged two additional suspects in the failed July 21 attacks. Ibrahim Muktar Said, 27, who is accused of trying to detonate a bomb on a bus in east London, and Ramzi Mohammed, suspected of attempting the Oval underground train bombing, were arrested in raids in west London on July 29, police said. Two British newspapers reported Sunday on a possible Saudi connection to the attacks. The Sunday Telegraph and The Observer, citing unidentified Saudi security officials, said two Al Qaeda operatives in the kingdom made calls, text messages and money transfers to Britain earlier this year. The newspaper said the two � Younis al-Hayari and Karim al-Majati � since had been killed in separate gun battles. British police have not made any firm links between the bombers and foreign militants, although they are pursuing international links � to Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Zambia � as they hunt for possible conspirators. The Telegraph quoted Prince Turki al-Faisal, the Saudi ambassador in London, as saying Saudi officials gave Britain information several months ago "of a heightened expectancy of attacks on London." He said authorities were examining "some telephone conversations between some of these terrorist suspects and people in Saudi Arabia." The prince told the British Broadcasting Corp. on Sunday it would be premature to say al-Majati and al-Hayari were connected to the London bombings. |
The inquisition .... here we go
the inquisition ..... what a show
the inquisition ..... works all night and day
cause the inquisition is here to staaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy!!!!!
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r I was actually refering to the babies being born with 3 heads arguement actually. The fact that the U.S. uses depleated Uranium doesn't surprise me that much. |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Really? How are we so sure about that? |
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