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Originally posted by LittlePoonzgirl Apparenly the movie is a sham, so Eric says. I haven't had time to look into it. But if you like things along these lines, then you MUST read the book 'The Holographic Universe'. This book is much more logical and is actually about various scientific studies. But by the way...I have no idea why people are bringing up religion. Science and Philosophy have very little to do with it.

I still think the concept or philosophy (regardless of what you believe) should be adopted. What harm can that do?

I think people are perhaps missing the whole point of the movie...regardless of the facts or non-facts...You can't prove quantum physics...but the points brought up in the movie are def. a positive not a negative...

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Originally posted by girllovingtvibe I still think the concept or philosophy (regardless of what you believe) should be adopted. What harm can that do? I think people are perhaps missing the whole point of the movie...regardless of the facts or non-facts...You can't prove quantum physics...but the points brought up in the movie are def. a positive not a negative...

Actually...the real point about it was to make profits for their 'organization'. I wish this wasn't so, but apparently it is. As I said read the book The Holographic Universe.

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Originally posted by girllovingtvibe You can't prove quantum physics...

You can't? Seems to me that scientists have done a pretty good job so far...

Ultimately, no theory can ever be "proven", that's what makes it a theory. But the "majority of experts" argument applies here, as well as the fact if a theory is testable then it's considered to be correct if it's tested positive on millions of occasions and never tested negative.

This isn't a knock against the movie of course - I haven't seen it, but I read the synopsis and thought it actually looked pretty interesting.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/

There is a website that is very interesting and educational. The topic of it is called String Theory and it is some what related to the movie.
There are few mini series that can be viewed on either QickTime or Real Media. Just something that I came acrossed and would like to share this with all that are interested.

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Originally posted by LittlePoonzgirl Actually...the real point about it was to make profits for their 'organization'. I wish this wasn't so, but apparently it is. As I said read the book The Holographic Universe.

you mentioned this book last night, if you've got it, can I borrow it? I'd like to think there was a reason I took two of my only 4 electives in eng phys as philosphy, only to back up endless quantum physics and theoretical mathematics.

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Originally posted by girllovingtvibe You can't prove quantum physics...but the points brought up in the movie are def. a positive not a negative...

you can, it's just when you get down to quantum physics, and most of modern physics in general, you can't observe things directly, and instead rely on math and indirect observation. So although you can't 'see' exactly what is happening, based on the consequences of the anomoly you are trying to observe, and the matching you're theoretical predictions, you can prove them in quantum.

God bless the three dimensional wave equasion, and the 5 pages of solutions it provides

Quantum physics = Old East meets New West.

For anyone interested in supplementing this movie with some great books, I would recommend:

The Dancing Wu Li Masters
The Tao of Physics
The Spontaneous Fulfillment of Desire: Harnessing the Infinite Power of Coincidence by Deepak Chopra

If you can properly digest these books, I can almost guarantee you will transform your thinking in a positive way.

Let's not forget the erotic and spirtual aspects of Kamasutra and Tantric.... gives a whole new meaning to sex, no jokes!

But yeah, its a great movie another one i recommend is 'Waking Life', its an animation with a documentary style and deals with so many controversial topics from science to the metaphysical

the thing about string theory that doesn't sit well with me is the fact it seems to bring philosophy into science far too convieniently. I mean, I can accept the fact that high level mathematics resembles the structure of philosophical arguement, as both are of the highest logical nature, but when it comes to string theory, they just seem to be throwing out all kinds of theories where I can see no basis in mathematics or physics. Maybe it's because everything I've seen on it is dummed down to the point where the mathematics are excluded, but it leaves me with a strong sense of skepticism unless I can at least see some of the equasions down on paper.

And where can I see this movie? Dammit Michelle, you and Eric opened a whole can of worms for me last night.

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Originally posted by girllovingtvibe I watched a movie last night which blew me away. I was truly moved by the message and have been thinking about this Philosophy for quite some time. Has anyone else ever seen this movie? http://www.whatthebleep.com/

a co-worker of mine was highly recommending it to me as of late as well

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Originally posted by cap Quantum physics = Old East meets New West.

Quantum mechanics is over 100 years old. And if you're going to compare it to the "old east", then the old east would be classical mechanics, not spirituality. Oh, and quantum mechanics doesn't replace classical mechanics, it's simply another branch of physics. I really can't see how that analogy reflects real science.


Also (Penny - this is *not* about you, it's about some of the other posts in this thread), I'm sorry if I'm opening another can of worms here, but I am getting really fucking sick of being told that some philosophy or some book will "change my life for the better" or "transform my thinking in a positive way". If something made a positive impact on YOU, then that's absolutely wonderful, and I'd love to hear about something that you found very interesting and/or thought-provoking.

But people don't seem to realize how bloody arrogant and condescending it sounds to be told that something will make you a better person if you would just read it or adopt that philosophy. What does that imply about the person I am now? Hearing those words instantly turns me OFF of what the person is recommending. If you want to spark an interest in something, then do exactly what Penny did in the first post - tell us what it meant to YOU and give us a link or a synopsis. Don't tell me what it's going to mean to ME, because you don't f-in' know that!

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Originally posted by DigiNut Quantum mechanics is over 100 years old. And if you're going to compare it to the "old east", then the old east would be classical mechanics, not spirituality. Oh, and quantum mechanics doesn't replace classical mechanics, it's simply another branch of physics. I really can't see how that analogy reflects real science.

Over 100 years old. Damn the discovery of teh photoelectric effect. Light frequencies ejecting electrons, implying light has mass....Damn you physicists!

And yes, quantum doesn't replace classical physics, it's just a better model for more accurately predicting phenomena. You could work out a dynamics problem with quantum, but to save you 5 pages in calculation, you could use a newtonian method and solve it in two lines, where you're accuracy would be down to 99.99998%

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Originally posted by DigiNut Quantum mechanics is over 100 years old. And if you're going to compare it to the "old east", then the old east would be classical mechanics, not spirituality. Oh, and quantum mechanics doesn't replace classical mechanics, it's simply another branch of physics. I really can't see how that analogy reflects real science. Also (Penny - this is *not* about you, it's about some of the other posts in this thread), I'm sorry if I'm opening another can of worms here, but I am getting really fucking sick of being told that some philosophy or some book will "change my life for the better" or "transform my thinking in a positive way". If something made a positive impact on YOU, then that's absolutely wonderful, and I'd love to hear about something that you found very interesting and/or thought-provoking. But people don't seem to realize how bloody arrogant and condescending it sounds to be told that something will make you a better person if you would just read it or adopt that philosophy. What does that imply about the person I am now? Hearing those words instantly turns me OFF of what the person is recommending. If you want to spark an interest in something, then do exactly what Penny did in the first post - tell us what it meant to YOU and give us a link or a synopsis. Don't tell me what it's going to mean to ME, because you don't f-in' know that!

I agree.

A good example is when approaching movie stars... instead of telling them how well you think they acted (which they may or may not agree with) - you could tell them how the movie affected yourself, and I'm sure they would appreciate it more.

But dude, you make a big deal out of it. Yeah, I presumed how the books would affect readers when in fact the benefits are not guaranteed, but it was an earnest suggestion, borne not out of arrogance.

I saw this movie last year when it was in theatres... I personally think it's a very very bad explanation of a lotta aspects of quantum and philosophy in general. Anybody who has studied philosophy knows that a lot of the stuff in this movie is utter garbage. One of the ladies who did some of the interviews was a FORTUNE TELLER!!! Another was something like a HAIRSTYLIST?!?! WTF?!?! I think only 1 or 2 of the people interviewed ACTUALLY HAD PHDs and they were the only people who knew what they were talking about. Most of that movie I found to be a waste of time.

Interesting special effects though.

My favourite philosophy work continues to be Stephen Hawking's book A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME. Very well written and explained correctly.

Penny....I saw bits and pieces of it a while back at a friends place. I found it interesting and had put it on my mental list of things I want to watch and explore further. You have proven once again that coincidences do not exist because your post remind me about it. Thanks!

BTW...What made you rent or watch this? Did somebody point you in this direction or were you drawn to it on your own. Hmmmmm?

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Originally posted by cap I agree. A good example is when approaching movie stars... instead of telling them how well you think they acted (which they may or may not agree with) - you could tell them how the movie affected yourself, and I'm sure they would appreciate it more. But dude, you make a big deal out of it. Yeah, I presumed how the books would affect readers when in fact the benefits are not guaranteed, but it was an earnest suggestion, borne not out of arrogance.

Sorry, I guess that did come across a little harsh. I was already in a bad mood when I wrote it. It's just one of those pet peeves. I don't question intent, and I know that the people who say that are just trying to share something that's important to them. I think everyone who doesn't live in a cave spends most of his waking hours hearing marketing pitches with the worst possible kinds of arrogance (i.e. "you deserve it" or "you know you want it"), so anything that sounds like a marketing pitch gets on my nerves. It's a fine line, I know...

I was just enlightened perhaps. I liked the morals of the story - perhaps not agreeing with everything but still believing in the idea.

The one thing that stood out to me is this particular part of the movie: http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/

I just thought it was an incredible concept. Saying positive things and doing positive things seem to have a way better outcome for me personally. This is based on personal experience.

Honestly I am a happy camper so I want to share any of the things that make me happy. This movie made me happy. Happy is contagious.

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Originally posted by girllovingtvibe The one thing that stood out to me is this particular part of the movie: http://www.whatthebleep.com/crystals/ I just thought it was an incredible concept. Saying positive things and doing positive things seem to have a way better outcome for me personally. This is based on personal experience.

that combined with the bathroom scene...I immediately ran to find a magic marker. I think the only thing I didn't write on was my nose Just kidding... it did really reminded me of how very cruel we can be to ourselves with negative energy.

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Originally posted by DJ_Elyot My favourite philosophy work continues to be Stephen Hawking's book A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME. Very well written and explained correctly.

Amazing work this book is. And don't be scared off by the fact it's stephen hawking writing it. You know, the guy in the wheelchair with the robot voice, he really does an excellent job explaining quantum theory. Hell I even used it to study for a relativity test when my text offered me a terrible explaination of 'light cones'

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