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Chomsky really is a self-hater. He is a both a Jew and an American, and he seems to hate everything about both.

I recommend this book for any open-minded Chomsky fans.

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Originally posted by Dupz isnt it all because Jews basically run everything in America.. you abandon your Israeli alliance you lose your next election. The democrats and the republicans seem to only be figureheads/puppets to the Jewish regime that really runs the show.

nice conspiracy theory, but dead wrong.

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: nice conspiracy theory, but dead wrong.

Not saying you're wrong but if you're saying that guy is wrong then why do you think the alliance is what it is? Despite what Yoepus says, anyone with half a brain can observe that the Israel-America alliance is very different to a normal alliance (eg with the UK or France), so why do you think that is?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Not saying you're wrong but if you're saying that guy is wrong then why do you think the alliance is what it is? Despite what Yoepus says, anyone with half a brain can observe that the Israel-America alliance is very different to a normal alliance (eg with the UK or France), so why do you think that is?

1) there are a lot of Jews in the US
2) Israel is America's sphere of influence in the Middle East

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd 1) there are a lot of Jews in the US 2) Israel is America's sphere of influence in the Middle East

1) There are 6 million Jews in America, so no, there aren't a lot

2) America is America's sphere of influence in the Middle East (Seen any IDF in Iraq or Afghanistan or in any US military operations ever?!)

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Originally posted by George Smiley 2) America is America's sphere of influence in the Middle East (Seen any IDF in Iraq or Afghanistan or in any US military operations ever?!)

exactly, that's my point -- Israel used to be the only American satellite there, the Americans needed more bases in the region to control it, hence (one of the reasons for) invading Iraq and Afg.

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Originally posted by HardTranceProd exactly, that's my point -- Israel used to be the only American satellite there, the Americans needed more bases in the region to control it, hence (one of the reasons for) invading Iraq and Afg.

Ok so what are you saying in relation to America's relationhip with Israel??

First things first:

Although America and Israel may seem to be happy, buddy-buddy partners, I can assure you both sides keep certain bits of information from each other. In fact, Israel has deceived America on many counts, and at one point was even stealing materials needed for nukes right under Uncle Sam's nose.

In regards to those population figures: yes, Muslims may or may not be more populous than Jews in America... but the difference in power and wealth is staggeringly different. Having said that, Jews definitely have influence in American politics, but they certainly do not "run things behind the scenes" or "make puppets of figureheads."

I think the benefits of the alliance are pretty clear. Most important is that Isreal has one of the best information gathering networks in the world(the Mossad)... and since they are positioned in the heart of America's enemies, I would say having access to that information is crucial for America's security.

I won't even comment on who has right to the land. Endless, pointless debate.

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Originally posted by Capitalizt Chomsky really is a self-hater. He is a both a Jew and an American, and he seems to hate everything about both. I recommend this book for any open-minded Chomsky fans.

In "The Anti-Chomsky Reader," editors Peter Collier and David Horowitz have assembled a set of essays that analyze Chomsky's intellectual career and the evolution of his anti-Americanism. The essays in this provocative book focus on subjects such as Chomsky's bizarre involvement with Holocaust revisionism, his apologies for Khmer Rouge tyrant Pol Pot, and his claim that America's policies in Latin America in the 1980s were comparable to Nazism. Scholar Paul Bogdanor writes about Chomsky's hatred of Israel. Ronald Radosh and David Horowitz discuss his gloating reaction to the September 11 attack. Linguists Paul Postal and Robert Levine reevaluate Chomsky's linguistics and find the same qualities there that others see in his politics: "a deep contempt for the truth, descents into incoherence, and verbal abuse of those who disagree with him."

sounds like a really "balanced book"

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Originally posted by tamk In "The Anti-Chomsky Reader,"

Ahh, a smear volume:

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Originally posted by tamk Scholar Paul Bogdanor writes about Chomsky's hatred of Israel. Ronald Radosh and David Horowitz discuss his gloating reaction to the September 11 attack. Linguists Paul Postal and Robert Levine reevaluate Chomsky's linguistics and find the same qualities there that others see in his politics: "a deep contempt for the truth, descents into incoherence, and verbal abuse of those who disagree with him."

I don't know much about Chomsky at all; I downloaded oodles of his lectures in mp3, but I've never listened to them. I've picked up his books in bookstores, but never got interested because I thought them sensationalistically pedestrian. Is this unfair? Is Chomsky worth one's time?

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Originally posted by tamk The essays in this provocative book focus on subjects such as Chomsky's bizarre involvement with Holocaust revisionism, his apologies for Khmer Rouge tyrant Pol Pot, and his claim that America's policies in Latin America in the 1980s were comparable to Nazism.

Dunno anything about his dealings with these issues, but the last accusation, the argumenum ad populum, I'd like to read about... lol

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Originally posted by tamk sounds like a really "balanced book"

lol, indeed.

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@ tamk & capatalist: Have eighter one of you guys ever actaully read any of Chomsky's stuff or listened to any of his lectures? The Anti-Chomsky reader is nothing more than a smear campaighn in attempt to disscredit "the most important intellectual alive" (NY Times).

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: nice conspiracy theory, but dead wrong.

Ha ha ha

The Jews do not run America, everyone knows it the Rednecks from Texas and all of thier oil barrons.

The only thing the Jews run is classes on how to punch ballots in a Florida Election. ha ha ha

@ Kushpainting: Read Chosmky's material (Books/Interviews/Lectures/Essays) for yourself and his criticism , then decide for youreself what you think of his work.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Man way to go Jews they are the reason as to why the muslims hate America. Because if it wasn't for America the jews wouldn't have the land they have now + Jerusalem. You know what I mean look at all the Israeli weapons they are mostly American plus Israels nukes are american made.

let me tell you that you're an asshole and you should stay out of topics that you have no fuckin idea about...

1) america didnt do anything to help jews get their land, it was plenty of wars in which america didnt intervene (remember that israel belonged to the UK)

2) american tanks, weapons and airplanes are israeli made, not the other way around, america gives them the money and israel gets to work on arms for both of them...

the real reason of this relationship is because they need each other...america needs israel arms, intelligence, strategic point etc...
israel needs america's support and money...

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Originally posted by deibero 2) american tanks, weapons and airplanes are israeli made, not the other way around, america gives them the money and israel gets to work on arms for both of them... the real reason of this relationship is because they need each other...america needs israel arms, intelligence, strategic point etc... israel needs america's support and money...

Er...

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Originally posted by George Smiley Er...

I agree with you!

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Originally posted by George Smiley Er...

wtf is er?

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Originally posted by George Smiley Er...

wtf is er?
and btw, im surprise how ignorant are the people here in TA...

read noam chomsky chapter 4 UNDERSTANDNG POWER ( middle east confllict)

u will have ur answerrrrrrrrrrr


basically the states don;t give a damn about israel, it is all about interests,etccc

oil,water,etcc

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Originally posted by LazFX Ha ha ha The Jews do not run America, everyone knows it the Rednecks from Texas and all of thier oil barrons. The only thing the Jews run is classes on how to punch ballots in a Florida Election. ha ha ha

In America, the Media controls what people think and Jews own every aspect of the media. Like Richard Jenni said "I'm not Jewish but i'm in show biz so I guess I am :P"

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Originally posted by deibero wtf is er? and btw, im surprise how ignorant are the people here in TA...

Well, you have to remember, the average newswatching American citizen absorbs mostly propaganda about politics, international relationships, and covert operations. People are ignorant, but not on purpose. They believe they have the right details - but these details are nothing more than skewed, selected portions of an event that are deemed acceptable for mainstream media.

I have read a lot on the Mossad, which covers many of the "behind the scenes" aspects of Israeli's operations and their relationships with other countries, including America.

Some of the material shocked me... but then again, I should have known to never be surprised by the behaviours of politicians from the White House. Even worse was the Mossad(Israel's equivalent to CIA). They are constantly deceiving and maliciously plotting against other countries. Agents of the Mossad have violated many international laws including conducting secret assassinations in foreign countries. They have the biggest and most vast information gathering network, and are one of the most ruthless - AND efficient - spy agencies in the world. Then again, they are surrounded by sworn enemies, so it is necessary.

Anyways... the point is, America and Israel have 2 important aspects in common.

1) They both have top-notch spy agencies
2) They share a common threat.

Now, are the benefits of an alliancee clear?

Every source of media is "propaganda" (you used the wrong word) and every country's spy services violate and break international laws. You left out Russia as one of the biggest ones.

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Originally posted by deibero wtf is er?

"Er" is "you're talking rubbish!"

Saying all America's military equipment comes from Israel is "talking rubbish"

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Originally posted by cap Anyways... the point is, America and Israel have 2 important aspects in common. 1) They both have top-notch spy agencies 2) They share a common threat. Now, are the benefits of an alliancee clear?

Why would having "top notch" spy agencies mean they would be allied? The KGB were a "top notch" spy agency but they weren't allied with America

Also, the threat to Israel is extremely different to the threat to America. The threat to Israel is huge, yet can you say the same threat applies to America? No, certainly not. Just cos the threats happen to come from Muslims does not mean the threat is "common" I am unaware of any al-Qaida involvement in any attack in Israel proper, in fact, the Palestinian groups have continously rejected attempts by al-Qaida to influence the groups. On the same point, America face no threat from Hizballah or the Palestinian groups

The UK (and Spain and Italy and Denmark etc) share a "common" threat with America, yet the alliance between those countries and America is nothing like the alliance between America and Israel

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Originally posted by George Smiley Also, the threat to Israel is extremely different to the threat to America. The threat to Israel is huge, yet can you say the same threat applies to America? No, certainly not. Just cos the threats happen to come from Muslims does not mean the threat is "common" I am unaware of any al-Qaida involvement in any attack in Israel proper, in fact, the Palestinian groups have continously rejected attempts by al-Qaida to influence the groups. On the same point, America face no threat from Hizballah or the Palestinian groups

I wouldn't say "extremly different threat", but "slightly different threat". Also Al-Q has aided the Palestinians and Hezbullah on numerous occasions.

Israel however likes to keep quiet on operations that it was successful in preventing unlike stupider British and USA governments which like to march around and parade on every small little intelligence triumph they seem to have...

Instead you only hear about Israeli failures

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The UK (and Spain and Italy and Denmark etc) share a "common" threat with America, yet the alliance between those countries and America is nothing like the alliance between America and Israel

How so?

I think it is very similar to the alliance between those countries. The USA trains, equips, and fights with all those allies and has good economic terms.

The only different I see is A) Israel is the only USA allie at constant war and B) compared the above mentioned states the USA and Israel share a free-trade pact. (So it would be more similar to the USA alliances with Singapore, Austrilia, and UK)

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