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| Originally posted by DJ Mikey Mike it's a blatent rip off of PvD - Connected anyway. |
oh dear gerry, you sound so bitter.
remix credits dont usually appear on compilation covers. do you ever see a remix credit on the back of a GU mix CD? no. And do you see any of those producers going round message boards whinging that they havent got credit? No. Look inside the sleeve.
Anyway, maybe you would get more sympathy from people that arent idiots if your 'cover' of messages wasnt a total rip off of PvD's own track Connected in the first place. I mean, it is exactly the same in every way isnt it? apart from the melody of course, but then thats from the solange record.
So what you have effectively done here is take the melody from one record & pasted it onto the structure of another, and then go on to complain that you arent getting the credit that you deserve.
such a shame.
Whats clear from your outburst is that you are only really in the trance 'game' to become famous. Well someone ought to tell you that there is no possibility of that anymore, so you might as well quit now.
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| Originally posted by Dave Clarke oh dear gerry, you sound so bitter. remix credits dont usually appear on compilation covers. do you ever see a remix credit on the back of a GU mix CD? no. And do you see any of those producers going round message boards whinging that they havent got credit? No. Look inside the sleeve. Anyway, maybe you would get more sympathy from people that arent idiots if your 'cover' of messages wasnt a total rip off of PvD's own track Connected in the first place. I mean, it is exactly the same in every way isnt it? apart from the melody of course, but then thats from the solange record. So what you have effectively done here is take the melody from one record & pasted it onto the structure of another, and then go on to complain that you arent getting the credit that you deserve. such a shame. Whats clear from your outburst is that you are only really in the trance 'game' to become famous. Well someone ought to tell you that there is no possibility of that anymore, so you might as well quit now. |
I have to defend Gerry on this one.
First off I don't know about the GU albums but pretty much every album I've bought DOES credit the remixers. It doesn't make sense not to, the remixers deserve just as much credit as the original artist IMO. Sure maybe Gerry seems a bit bitter about it, and maybe he shouldn't be concerned with it that much. But it would have been REALLY good for him to get his name on this album. He can tell promoters that he has one of his tracks on TPOD2 but he'll have to explain the whole story of why when they look at the tracklist they won't see his name. Having his name on the album would have gaven him a big step up in competition for getting gigs (assuming he DJs) and that is what is what many of us up-and-comers really want.
It doesn't matter that it was a cover or that the melody was similar to another track, Gerry has a lot of original material but this one happens to be the track that PvD wanted to sign and put on his album (subconcious egotism maybe 
). It's just the right thing to do to credit the people involved with the tracks on the tracklist.
Dave Clarke: you've made it as a producer and DJ so it's pretty easy for you to criticize nobodies looking for a little recocnition for there work. That's bullshit man, today the industry is much more competitive than it was when you were emerging. People have to work a lot harder to get their name out there and it's not shameful to want credit for your work on big albums such as TPOD2.
PvD is credited for mixing the album I don't see why he thinks he is the actual remixer of all the tracks. I think PvD could use a lesson or two in the real politics of the industry.
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| Originally posted by djmetatron I have to defend Gerry on this one. First off I don't know about the GU albums but pretty much every album I've bought DOES credit the remixers. It doesn't make sense not to, the remixers deserve just as much credit as the original artist IMO. Sure maybe Gerry seems a bit bitter about it, and maybe he shouldn't be concerned with it that much. But it would have been REALLY good for him to get his name on this album. He can tell promoters that he has one of his tracks on TPOD2 but he'll have to explain the whole story of why when they look at the tracklist they won't see his name. Having his name on the album would have gaven him a big step up in competition for getting gigs (assuming he DJs) and that is what is what many of us up-and-comers really want. It doesn't matter that it was a cover or that the melody was similar to another track, Gerry has a lot of original material but this one happens to be the track that PvD wanted to sign and put on his album (subconcious egotism maybe ). It's just the right thing to do to credit the people involved with the tracks on the tracklist.Dave Clarke: you've made it as a producer and DJ so it's pretty easy for you to criticize nobodies looking for a little recocnition for there work. That's bullshit man, today the industry is much more competitive than it was when you were emerging. People have to work a lot harder to get their name out there and it's not shameful to want credit for your work on big albums such as TPOD2. PvD is credited for mixing the album I don't see why he thinks he is the actual remixer of all the tracks. I think PvD could use a lesson or two in the real politics of the industry. |
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| Originally posted by djmetatron Dave Clarke: you've made it as a producer and DJ so it's pretty easy for you to criticize nobodies looking for a little recocnition for there work. That's bullshit man, today the industry is much more competitive than it was when you were emerging. People have to work a lot harder to get their name out there and it's not shameful to want credit for your work on big albums such as TPOD2. |
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| Originally posted by Cobalt Uh, that's not the Dave Clarke. |
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 Id assume that the labels allowed him to do that, so blame them... And i dont think anyone has seen the sleeve, unless the promo's have them... I dont remember what tpod 1 had in it though. |
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| Originally posted by sandstorm03 I dont remember what tpod 1 had in it though. |
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| But it would have been REALLY good for him to get his name on this album. He can tell promoters that he has one of his tracks on TPOD2 but he'll have to explain the whole story of why when they look at the tracklist they won't see his name. Having his name on the album would have gaven him a big step up in competition for getting gigs (assuming he DJs) and that is what is what many of us up-and-comers really want. |
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| Originally posted by Dave Clarke Well if thats what he really wants then he should fuck right off. He should be happy that something he was involved in got put on a CD like this, not go around bitching on internet messageboards because it hasnt got his name on it. |
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| Originally posted by isoterra in fairness i wouldn't call it outright agressive bitching and are you the 'davidclarke' who got banned here last year for trolling & spouting copious amounts of tripe? |
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| Originally posted by thesuperfunk It certainly didn't feature the remix names on the back ... you would have thought Gerry would have known that beforehand instead of having a bitch at PvD for a matter out of his hands. |
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| Originally posted by Dave Clarke Of course it was, there were a few sly comments in there that probably arent actually true anyway. I mean hes never actually spoken to PvD directly yet hes on here giving us word by word accounts of what was suppopsedly said. gerry has obviously taken things badly & that shows. He is bitter. He should get over it. Yes apparently if you dont like tiesto, armin or markus schulz your opinions are 'tripe'. nice one, dont you like tiesto actually? |
check out www.paulvandyk.com
theres's been an update about the TPOD2 cd. Check it out on the first page. NO samples yet but a brief talk on his ablum.
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| Originally posted by Dave Clarke oh dear gerry, you sound so bitter. remix credits dont usually appear on compilation covers. do you ever see a remix credit on the back of a GU mix CD? no. And do you see any of those producers going round message boards whinging that they havent got credit? No. Look inside the sleeve. Anyway, maybe you would get more sympathy from people that arent idiots if your 'cover' of messages wasnt a total rip off of PvD's own track Connected in the first place. I mean, it is exactly the same in every way isnt it? apart from the melody of course, but then thats from the solange record. So what you have effectively done here is take the melody from one record & pasted it onto the structure of another, and then go on to complain that you arent getting the credit that you deserve. such a shame. Whats clear from your outburst is that you are only really in the trance 'game' to become famous. Well someone ought to tell you that there is no possibility of that anymore, so you might as well quit now. |
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| Originally posted by isoterra paul is quite blatently in the wrong over it and anyone would be a bit narked off in gerry's situation |
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| Originally posted by thesuperfunk Have you read the thread? It's not PvD's fault there was a 10 year contract over the artist name. |
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| Originally posted by djmetatron lol, have you been reading the thread?? it is PvD's fault that Gerry isn't getting credit as the official remixer; which he is. |
according to Gerry (in this thread, look for it), PvD feels that the remixers do not deserve credit on the album as he edits all the tracks himself. But an edit is hardly a remix and the remixers on all the tracks DO deserve credit. Don't you think?
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| Originally posted by djmetatron according to Gerry (in this thread, look for it), PvD feels that the remixers do not deserve credit on the album as he edits all the tracks himself. But an edit is hardly a remix and the remixers on all the tracks DO deserve credit. Don't you think? |
lol, this was the harshest thing Gerry said:
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| I still dont' get how editing a track can be more credable than remixing one, but hey he's Paul the big superstar DJ, and I'm Gerry Cueto the little producer guy. His decision is far superior than mine. |
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| Originally posted by djmetatron lol, this was the harshest thing Gerry said: a little cheeky yes, but hardly what you guys make it out to be. the real issue is that this sparked a hot topic, and rightfully so. if gerry is right about this then PvD has some 'splaining to do. |
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| Originally posted by thesuperfunk PvD doesn't need to explain anything to anyone. Even if Gerry's comment holds true why should PvD totally change the TPOD2 design just so the 'little producer' can get his break? especially over what is no more that a rehash of 'Messages' with the 'Connected' melody thrown in for good measure. Gerry himself has stated that he needs an 'original' hit to break into the scene ... i suggest he concentrates on that instead of bitching on message boards. |
I can see why Gerry would be a bit frustrated, but it's not really anyone's fault, and he should be content to have work on a compilation of such high profile in the first place. After all, there are always full credits for a mix within the liner notes. Many compilations, including TPOD1, have no remix credits on the outside packaging; as someone mentioned earlier, this is the case for many GU releases. There are dozens of artists that are never ostensibly credited on such compilations.
Paul's first volume sets the precedent for the second, and so naturally there are no remix credits on the tracklist. The contract for Messages establishes that the artist must remain Solange, and so "Gerry Cueto" goes to the liner notes. It's unfortunate for Gerry, but hardly unusual for mix compilations, and certainly not the fault of Paul.
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