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any democrat thinking of running for president for '08 should get their ass over to the gulf, put on boots and help.... convert some republican states by actually showing some initiative with 2 hands

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Originally posted by rhaney Dude.. they had a week to prepare for it. They knew a CAT 3+ was headed their way.. and Louisana did NOTHING about it. There were people still in the last hour in the French Quarter drinking hurricanes because they did not think they were going to get hit. That is the LOCAL AUTHORITIES FAULT. If people couldnt afford to leave town... then they had a LAST RESORT shelter called the Superdome.. so thats no excuse.

new orleans is not as prepared for a major hurricane like south florida. most of these people had no clue what was going to happen. if katrina had hit here as a cat 4 or 5, i bet you 90% of the problems that arose in new orleans would not have happened here (and not just cuz of the flooding). simply because people here know how to deal with hurricanes. most people would of had atleast a 2 week supply of canned goods and clean drinking water and that would of allowed for enough time for the government to get here and help.

and the superdome was not a good shelter. before the storm even hit i heard on the news "we think it'll hold up." THINK?! YOU FUCKING THINK?! if you're gonna put that many people in there, you better be fucking CERTAIN that it'll hold up. and it obviously didnt hold up cuz of the shit that broke and all that crap.

blah to fucking politcal discussions on ta. this is so gay. and i'm so done with this.

this country sucks, and this is just another example of why i cant wait to get the fuck out asap.

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Originally posted by rhaney YEA.. im sure Bush made no phone calls and sipped cocktails the entire 2days after this happened. Stop believing shit that Moor and the left wing media is throwing out at you. Whatever... this argument could go on and on.. so believe what you want.

How can you be sure he did? I never ONCE said I believed Moore. I personally think the media is conniving, & they love to contradict
themselves.

I am not a Bush supporter, THAT alone is where I get my feelings from & from things I've read/seen THAT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH MOORE OR THE "LEFT WING MEDIA"

(yeah I'm sure the US would have a lot more fucking money if it weren't all being wasted on this POINTLESS war...LOOK AT THE FUCKING INFLATION...)

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Originally posted by rhaney do you not realize that most if not all of those people simply COULDNT get out? not everyone has a car, and enough money for gas to drive 300 miles and enough money for weeks of staying in a hotel. jesus. Dude.. they had a week to prepare for it. They knew a CAT 3+ was headed their way.. and Louisana did NOTHING about it. There were people still in the last hour in the French Quarter drinking hurricanes because they did not think they were going to get hit. That is the LOCAL AUTHORITIES FAULT. If people couldnt afford to leave town... then they had a LAST RESORT shelter called the Superdome.. so thats no excuse. i cant tell you how many fucking times i saw on the weather channel (before katrina hit)..."THIS WILL BE A CATASTROPHE." i'm no meterologist, but i think i know storms pretty damn well and i knew this shit was going to happen. they talked about new orleans being below sea level being a problem for atleast a full day all over the news before the storm hit. how come it took bush THREE FUCKING DAYS to get off his ass and realize there was a problem. so.. what exactly should the local and state governments supposed to do?? just sit there and let Bush do everything? Look.. this argument could go on for days and days... but you dont see these problems happening in Mississippi and Alabama do ya?.. and the reason.. because the local and state government prepared for this... unlike Louisana.

are you fucking serious with your posts?

people dont think? people got stuck in the city because they couldnt get out or didnt have the means. im sorry but im sure a bunch of the poeple that are there could not find a way out. sure couple of people stayed to ride it out or for fun but MOST DIDNT for the thrills of it dont be such an idiot

the superdome u talk about didnt hold the capacity they were expecting. not due to lack of space BUT because they wernt allouing poeple in and those were the poeple u saw outside. after a while they decided to go to other places and some of htem got stuck in the floods that came days after the hurricane passed

goverments ARE supposed to get help from the goverment. trust me they did all the could. what the fuck do you think the cops are doing there? getting a tan. goverment is working but its nearly impossible to prepare for such thing. what should of theyd one. BUILD a new damn so that the otherone wouldnt of gone bust?

oh god NO terrain do you understand what is wrong with it? or u just assume the whoile state goverment is full of gimps and they just decided to let the city rott?

oh and i must add.. the people of new orleans are doing a great job of getting rescued too... shooting at helicopters! Way to go!

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Originally posted by ambs oh and i must add.. the people of new orleans are doing a great job of getting rescued too... shooting at helicopters! Way to go!

the poeple in new orleans? u mean the few gimps who have done it? lets not go blaming everyone when there are a couple of retards around

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Originally posted by nchs09 are you fucking serious with your posts? people dont think? people got stuck in the city because they couldnt get out or didnt have the means. im sorry but im sure a bunch of the poeple that are there could not find a way out. sure couple of people stayed to ride it out or for fun but MOST DIDNT for the thrills of it dont be such an idiot the superdome u talk about didnt hold the capacity they were expecting. not due to lack of space BUT because they wernt allouing poeple in and those were the poeple u saw outside. after a while they decided to go to other places and some of htem got stuck in the floods that came days after the hurricane passed goverments ARE supposed to get help from the goverment. trust me they did all the could. what the fuck do you think the cops are doing there? getting a tan. goverment is working but its nearly impossible to prepare for such thing. what should of theyd one. BUILD a new damn so that the otherone wouldnt of gone bust? oh god NO terrain do you understand what is wrong with it? or u just assume the whoile state goverment is full of gimps and they just decided to let the city rott?

::claps:: well fucking said Mario!

thank you...I couldn't have made a better point!

the superdome wasn't even reliable...the shit was falling apart during the storm...it wouldn't have been able to hold the entire population of New Orleans...& more than half of those people had no money to go elsewhere...Local governments are supposed to ask help of the federal governmen if they see they can't do anything else. and guess what?? the federal government is supposed to help.

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Originally posted by nchs09 the poeple in new orleans? u mean the few gimps who have done it? lets not go blaming everyone when there are a couple of retards around

yea dumbass, i was making a generalization because i thought everyone was shooting at the helicopters

its always a few bad seeds who ruin it for the rest... and now, they're going to have to wait longer

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Originally posted by nchs09 are you fucking serious with your posts? people dont think? people got stuck in the city because they couldnt get out or didnt have the means. im sorry but im sure a bunch of the poeple that are there could not find a way out. sure couple of people stayed to ride it out or for fun but MOST DIDNT for the thrills of it dont be such an idiot

ok.. people couldn;t find a way out. so what was the president supposed to do ? u can't blame him for the ppl that stayed. there is too many ppl in NO for that.

he isn't a super hero. not everyone can be saved when a disaster like this occurs.

Sad but true.

edit: i'd also like to add...they aren't going to send the president RIGHT over. They need to make sure it is safe for him to go. Water is contaminated and who knows about the power line situations. They aren't going to send him over in harms way.

Guys, its not Bush's responsiblity to make people leave who dont want to leave, or can't leave.

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Originally posted by ambs yea dumbass, i was making a generalization because i thought everyone was shooting at the helicopters

then why even make that generalization in the first place?

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Originally posted by FallingMoon ::claps:: well fucking said Mario! Local governments are supposed to ask help of the federal governmen if they see they can't do anything else. and guess what?? the federal government is supposed to help.

an guess what.. the federal government is helping.. what exactly is sending in 50,000 troops and unlimited money? just a kind gensture?

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Originally posted by verndogs then why even make that generalization in the first place?

sorry if i dont always take the time to think people are going to interpret my words the wrong way and then correct them so they dont. i just cant be bothered

this thread is headed for an all out war

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL ok.. people couldn;t find a way out. so what was the president supposed to do ? u can't blame him for the ppl that stayed. there is too many ppl in NO for that. he isn't a super hero. not everyone can be saved when a disaster like this occurs. Sad but true. edit: i'd also like to add...they aren't going to send the president RIGHT over. They need to make sure it is safe for him to go. Water is contaminated and who knows about the power line situations. They aren't going to send him over in harms way.

im not blaming the president for them not being able to get out. as this is an accident.
i blame the president and not only them but congress for not having a plan before hand for what happened. remember this storm was last week. untill now they got a huge convoy of food to poeple. TODAY thats a whiles away from when the storm hit.

second for the president to be over... plz that is nothing more than a show. for him to say a couple of words and shake some hands on tv? i could care less if hes taking a shit 24/7 this past week as long as decisions are being made

he doesnt need to be over there.

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Originally posted by rhaney an guess what.. the federal government is helping.. what exactly is sending in 50,000 troops and unlimited money? just a kind gensture?

i would dare call it late help.

hehehee.. naah.. just 2 different point of views

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Originally posted by ambs this thread is headed for an all out war

for real.

note to everyone : come up with your own ideas.. don't listen to people on the TV or what not.

cuz moore is a jackass and needs a life.

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL note to everyone : come up with your own ideas.. don't listen to people on the TV or what not. cuz moore is a jackass and needs a life.

i agree. with both points

mario.. don't u think they are doing all they can?

it's kind of hard to do things when u can't even drive there..

they aren't miss cleo either... can't predict the future. so what would have been your before hand plan?

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Originally posted by MeLLyMeL he isn't a super hero. not everyone can be saved when a disaster like this occurs.

i have 1 solution... TA superheros!!

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Originally posted by nchs09 second for the president to be over... plz that is nothing more than a show. for him to say a couple of words and shake some hands on tv? i could care less if hes taking a shit 24/7 this past week as long as decisions are being made he doesnt need to be over there.

You're right. He doesnt need to. Some may believe he's there for political reasons. Who knows. It's not like he can be re-elected.

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Originally posted by rhaney Dude.. they had a week to prepare for it. They knew a CAT 3+ was headed their way.. and Louisana did NOTHING about it. There were people still in the last hour in the French Quarter drinking hurricanes because they did not think they were going to get hit. That is the LOCAL AUTHORITIES FAULT. If people couldnt afford to leave town... then they had a LAST RESORT shelter called the Superdome.. so thats no excuse.

i kind of agree with this. they made it clear that they werent going to be able to send ambulances or send help at a certain point, if people chose to stay in their homes. so if they couldnt afford to get out of the city, why DIDNT they go to the superdome, where they knew there would be food and concrete walls around them, and medical help standing by? there are a lot of people who DIDNT listen to the warnings. who signed consents that they were CHOOSING to stay in the city, in their homes. i just dont understand how that is the governemnt's fault. people ignored a mandatory evac.

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Originally posted by nchs09 im not blaming the president for them not being able to get out. as this is an accident. i blame the president and not only them but congress for not having a plan before hand for what happened. remember this storm was last week. untill now they got a huge convoy of food to poeple. TODAY thats a whiles away from when the storm hit. second for the president to be over... plz that is nothing more than a show. for him to say a couple of words and shake some hands on tv? i could care less if hes taking a shit 24/7 this past week as long as decisions are being made he doesnt need to be over there.

FEMA has said several times that in every other disaster that has ever happened in this country... that 4-5 days is a normal timespan to get relief in.. and it has taken them 4 days to get in there. I guess they should have set up shop right in the middle of N.O. before the hurricane hit so that all of their trucks, supplies, copters, etc could have gotten wiped out.

I guess that FEMA can magically travel hundreds of miles from wherever they are set up.. and instantly be in N.O. when the storm passes.



Do they make 18 wheelers that can turn into boats for situations like this?

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Originally posted by rhaney an guess what.. the federal government is helping.. what exactly is sending in 50,000 troops and unlimited money? just a kind gensture?

sure fucking took long don't ya think?

"Four days after Hurricane Katrina struck, the National Guard arrived in force Friday with food, water and weapons, rolling through the floodwaters in a vast truck convoy."

Let me add, cuz this is a topic many people don't recognize...the reason we're getting such bad storms and they keep coming like bullets is because of global warming WHICH Bush hasn't addressed as an issue AND if he has...he's doing nothing else about it.

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