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I'm not about to excuse dumbass people who were given adequate warning about a FUCKING CATAGORY 5 HURRICANE coming their way.
Approx. 75% of New Orleans was evauated before the hurricane hit leaving who?
I would have to say those turkeys looking up into the sky wondering were all the rain is coming from.
Even the poorest of the poor have access to a radio or a phone but I guess I'm supposed to pussyfoot around the real problem which is they were too dumb to leave in the 1st place so I guess that's FEMAs fault too.
They knew that hurricane was coming, it just didn't decide to 'show up' one day.
The government can't be responsible for holding eveyone's hand, all the time.

The current chaos is a direct result (if you read the article) of those left behind; hence my comments regarding crackheads, thugs and sloths (oh and let's not forget, prisoners!).
Normal people don't go shooting at rescue helicopters! wtf!!
Now are they all crackheads, thugs and sloths? Probably not, there's actually be some real nice people who for some incomprehensible reason, decided to stay.

If everyone had evauated when they were supposed to, this current situation would be a whole lot better; who was to guess that the levee would give way?
Obviously not this man, Michael Brown, who apparently had his finger up his ass.
Yes, he's appointed by Mr.Bush but obviously Mr.Brown is incapable of such a posting.
Just a snipet from this blog regarding Mr.Brown...

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No one -- NO ONE -- who knows anything about New Orleans's geography and topography and levee system would ever have thought for a single moment on Saturday and Sunday that Katrina, if it followed the predicted path, was going to be a "typical hurricane situation." Jesus Christ!! For how many years now has this article been out there?!? and this one? And many more like them? Did Michael Brown never read them? Was he not familiar with the science? Was FEMA's director unaware of what has been acknowledged for many years as the #1 most serious natural disaster threat in all of America?!?

>>Source<<

It's safe to say, that there will be a LOT of finger pointing but in the end, this is a catastrophic fuckup in ALL corners of government, so if I seem a little Bush appologetic, it's only because he's far from being the only one to blame, but everyone only wants to point the finger at one person.
Bush just seems to be everyone's knee-jerked reaction without taking the full senario into picture...
Having said that, I do appreciate the post Opus, since this poor dumb Canuck doesn't normally delve into the inter-workings of American policy all that much.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I'm not about to excuse dumbass people who were given adequate warning about a FUCKING CATAGORY 5 HURRICANE coming their way. Approx. 75% of New Orleans was evauated before the hurricane hit leaving who? I would have to say those turkeys looking up into the sky wondering were all the rain is coming from. Even the poorest of the poor have access to a radio or a phone but I guess I'm supposed to pussyfoot around the real problem which is they were too dumb to leave in the 1st place so I guess that's FEMAs fault too.

The poor people who were left behind couldnt afford gas let alone a car to get out. So its there fault they were trapped and the govt didnt help them? OffCoarse rich and middle class got out cause they can afford to move to a hotel in another city without problems.

I like how your blaiming the victims here..

/dj

Fir3starter you shouldn't be talking about a subject you don't even know. Oh yes all the people in New Orleans are rich right? You fucking idiot the poor stayed behind. Most of the people who stayed were poor who had nowhere to go and didn't have the money to escape. See if they had money why would they stay there? You fucking idiot. Why don't you instead of blaming the victims get off your fat ass and help out the victims? Oh but of course this isn't your country so you don't care. So if you don't fucking care than just shut the fuck up.

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Originally posted by dj The poor people who were left behind couldnt afford gas let alone a car to get out. So its there fault they were trapped and the govt didnt help them? OffCoarse rich and middle class got out cause they can afford to move to a hotel in another city without problems. I like how your blaiming the victims here.. /dj

Are you trying to tell me that these people didn't have the opporutunity to leave days before, even after a MANDITORY EVACUATION NOTICE???

I'm supposed to feel sorry for these people??
Any one of them could have picked up a phone and called someone saying they needed help getting out of the city.

I agree with this quote, "I'm expecting that some people who are die-hards will die hard," from the above article.
It was predicted that at least 10,000 would stay behind so why should we be so shocked about the death toll tally after the levee gave way?

Let's be logical about this; there's no way loss of life was going to be avoided 100% and we certainly can't help those that don't want to help themselves, so lets stop thinking the government wasn't doing anything for these people.
They had every opportunity to and they choose to stay and they paid the price for their decision.
Blame government if you want but not everything is their fault either (albeit their end wasn't much better).

I'll state it here like I did in Opus's post, this was a catastrophic screw up on ALL levels...

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Fir3starter you shouldn't be talking about a subject you don't even know. Oh yes all the people in New Orleans are rich right? You fucking idiot the poor stayed behind. Most of the people who stayed were poor who had nowhere to go and didn't have the money to escape. See if they had money why would they stay there? You fucking idiot. Why don't you instead of blaming the victims get off your fat ass and help out the victims? Oh but of course this isn't your country so you don't care. So if you don't fucking care than just shut the fuck up.

A fuckin men.

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r I'm supposed to feel sorry for these people??

I guess it's gonna take an act of God or some other calamity for you to figure out that you're human like the rest of us and you bleed red blood like the rest of us.

The epiphany of your mortality will open your eyes when you come across that fact.

Sad when people think it can never happen to them until it does.

Fir3start3r,

You simply must understand that many, if not most of these people in these areas simply had no means of transportation getting out and evacuating. A couple of things to keep in mind:

1. It's 95 degrees in the shade on an August day in New Orleans, with 95% humidity. Take a family of 4 with things to carry on their backs (including children), tell them to take a hike 15 miles or so out of harm's way, and see just how far they can go in that heat.

2. Where exactly would they be going as a destination? You think a lovely carnival full of clowns and rides with cotton candy and slushies are waiting for them? Food? H2O? They had no real destination here. They are poor as dirt with no mode of real transportation.

With all that said, I realize there are some idiots there that just refuse any help or guidance given to them. Unfortunately they will die a pretty horrible death of disease, starvation, and/or dehydration. Even today some folks were refusing to leave their homes even after they were told they would be stuck there for at least 30 days without food or H20. What can you do in those unfortunate situations but say, "fuck 'em" and move on? I do understand this, but keep in mind that these are the exceptions and not the rule.

But as for the rest of these unfortunate folks, I ask you to please show a little more compassion for them. I realize I came at you pretty pointedly earlier, and I apologize for that. But please try and examine this from other perspectives aside of your own.

Firestarter... stop posting while you can.. these people are making you look like an idiot.

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Originally posted by metalgearsolid Fir3starter you shouldn't be talking about a subject you don't even know. Oh yes all the people in New Orleans are rich right? You fucking idiot the poor stayed behind. Most of the people who stayed were poor who had nowhere to go and didn't have the money to escape. See if they had money why would they stay there? You fucking idiot. Why don't you instead of blaming the victims get off your fat ass and help out the victims? Oh but of course this isn't your country so you don't care. So if you don't fucking care than just shut the fuck up.

+1

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Firestarter... stop posting while you can.. these people are making you look like an idiot.

He can't help it, especially when it comes to showing some sympathy and consideration towards those less fortunate.

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Originally posted by shaolin_Z He can't help it, especially when it comes to showing some sympathy and consideration towards those less fortunate.

Considering you guys are only reading what you want to read of my posts reconsider...

You'll see time and time against I'm refering to those that DIDN'T WANT TO LEAVE not those that COULDN'T LEAVE....

Do I have to spell everything out of you guys? sheesh...
Just what kind of vapid moral cesspool of a heart do you think I have?? Good grief...

Yes, there were a lot of people that didn't leave or couldn't leave and a lot that died or will; that's a fact and there's no disputing that.
I point out, citing other sources, that some (est. 10,000) diehards would have stayed (not MY opinion) regardless of the consequences, and all of a sudden, I'm the heartless one??

MisterOpus1: I agree with you 100%; of those that WANTED to get the hell out but couldn't, I clearly blame the local and state governments; in the first couple of days, it was their duty to evacuate everyone until the federal government could get their act together to help out.
Now I'm reading stuff that local shelters didn't even have 2 days worth of supplies and a parking lot full of buses just blocks away from the dome weren't utilized to help evacuate.

I'm pissed at the number of people dead and government irresponsibility as much as the next person, so lets not make illogical deductions about misinterpeted postings on my part when clearly it doesn't even make sense to come to such a conclusion; who the hell wouldn't be upset???

Sorry to rain on everyone's Fir3start3r-is-an-idiot-parade but NOW do you understand where I'm coming from??

Let me dumb this down for some of you...
Those that chose to stay = dumbass
Those that couldn't leave because of obvious reasons = dumbass government(s).

Are we clear?

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Originally posted by koky69 NOW THAT IS FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNY!!!!!!!! haahhahahhahaahahaahha

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Originally posted by Lepanto THE BLACK GUY HAS A HUGE FUCKING BAG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE GIRL HAS A LOAF OF BREAD! WAKE UP!

THE WHITE PPL HAVE TWO FUCKING BACKPACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE BLACK DUDE ONLY STOLE A PLASTIC BAG! WAKE UP!

http://www.snopes.com/photos/katrina/looters.asp

The end.

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Originally posted by kush paintings I can't stand these comments. They are based on nothing, but some people's arrogance to make sweeping alligations with no proof. I have disagreed with his presidency from the very beginning, but these comments only further divide our already divided country. The best part of all, they are based on nothing but frustration. Yes, efforts didn't get their quick enough, then again this is the worst natural disaster or otherwise the U.S. has ever seen on its soil. On the Chicago fire can compare and that was over a century ago. Show me proof, perhaps a memo that Bush sent out that says F Black people, F New Orleans, but damn I can't help liking jazz music.

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Originally posted by grooviebeats

read my sig

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Originally posted by trancaholic THE WHITE PPL HAVE TWO FUCKING BACKPACKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE BLACK DUDE ONLY STOLE A PLASTIC BAG! WAKE UP!

no the white people have a loaf of bread and some water. also, the mayor of new orleans admitted that most of the looters were blacks who were drugies but don't try to tell that to the people who insist this is oh so racist. not to mention this article was written by two different people

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Originally posted by Lepanto no the white people have a loaf of bread and some water. also, the mayor of new orleans admitted that most of the looters were blacks who were drugies but don't try to tell that to the people who insist this is oh so racist. not to mention this article was written by two different people

you moron.. i was watching TV with eye witness accounts of countless whites and hispanics that were looting too. This one woman admitted to stealing baby food and diapers becusae she needed them for her baby.

Im sure anyone who was desperate for food, clothing or water, would take anything in their path if they could. Its come to the point that there are more important things than concentrating on people who are looting kmart and walmart. There are lives that need to be saved.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King you moron.. i was watching TV with eye witness accounts of countless whites and hispanics that were looting too. This one woman admitted to stealing baby food and diapers becusae she needed them for her baby. Im sure anyone who was desperate for food, clothing or water, would take anything in their path if they could. Its come to the point that there are more important things than concentrating on people who are looting kmart and walmart. There are lives that need to be saved.

what does that have to do with anything I said you retard?

exectly, whites were looting too so how was the pictures racist? if it's written by two different people then it's not one person categorizing people. what about all the other posts and the thread where a black man writes about black people looting?

oh i'm sorry they are so INNOCENT and all the stereotypes aren't true. I have tons of black friends who said " what a bunch of fucking ni&*ers giving us a bad image". Oh and if that's not proof enough how about Angola Federal Prison's popullation, last time I checked it was largely African Americans.


Why don't you counter what trancaholic or any of the PRACTICAL and not little pessimistic posts that FireStar3r made?

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Originally posted by Fir3start3r Are you trying to tell me that these people didn't have the opporutunity to leave days before, even after a MANDITORY EVACUATION NOTICE???

Quoted for the fucking truth

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Originally posted by Funk T Quoted for the fucking truth

Well not quite the "fucking truth". As I outlined here:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forum/s...12&pagenumber=1

The Hurricane itself wasn't upgraded to a troubling Cat 3 until SATURDAY - less than 48 hrs. before it hit land. To which Gov. Blanco declared a State of Emergency following that upgrade on SATURDAY. NOw keep in mind that the levees were supposed to withstand a Cat 3 hurricane, so the threat wasn't quite as dire just yet. After State of Emergency was declared, the DHA and FEMA were given full authority to respond to Katrina:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/rele...20050827-1.html

It wasn't until Sunday morning when the necessity for a mandatory evacuation was given:

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breaki..._08.html#074564

So keep in mind - it wasn't really even clear that the hurricane was comin' to NO until Thursday or so. These people down there have seen hurricanes come and go and have lived through the rain and some flooding.

But it's been quite some time since the levees broke, and it was clear that it wasn't until Saturday when it was upgraded to a Cat 3 and headed right toward NO when the situation started to become dire. The mandatory evacuation was on SUNDAY, mind you, so you tell me - you think these people below were able to hobble their asses out of town on their own?:



Or maybe they should have simply "stolen" a car and drove their asses out, right?

Please consider the full picture here.

^^^Anyoe care to blame the Mayor? It is his town first and foremost. He should have had a real workable plan for evacuating the town...it's not like he didn't know all about where N.O. stood in terms of vulnerability to flooding, he's the Mayor for godsakes! I've never heard of that town having evacuation drills either.

It's just amazing to me how this is all somehow Bush's fault.........it's pathetic really, these odd attempts to pin everything on the man. What? Is everyone in the media and the government afraid to say anything against a black Mayor because, well...HE's BLACK?

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!?!?! IN THIS COUNTRY!?!?! Wow...who'd have thought it.

Infact, when the congressional investigation concludes, many will be blamed. But most of all, the whole system of chain of comamnd will be scrutinised, the delay in response was mainly to miscommunication between different levels of govt.

But for now, we can conclude that the fault likes mostly at local levels, and so does Homeland Security.

"The breakdown of the relief operation in New Orleans was the result of multiple failures by city, state and federal authorities." http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4216508.stm

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Originally posted by donnybrasco ^^^Anyoe care to blame the Mayor? It is his town first and foremost. He should have had a real workable plan for evacuating the town...it's not like he didn't know all about where N.O. stood in terms of vulnerability to flooding, he's the Mayor for godsakes! I've never heard of that town having evacuation drills either. It's just amazing to me how this is all somehow Bush's fault.........it's pathetic really, these odd attempts to pin everything on the man. What? Is everyone in the media and the government afraid to say anything against a black Mayor because, well...HE's BLACK? POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!?!?! IN THIS COUNTRY!?!?! Wow...who'd have thought it.

nicely put.

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Originally posted by donnybrasco ^^^Anyoe care to blame the Mayor? It is his town first and foremost. He should have had a real workable plan for evacuating the town...it's not like he didn't know all about where N.O. stood in terms of vulnerability to flooding, he's the Mayor for godsakes! I've never heard of that town having evacuation drills either.

I posted this is in another thread but they did in fact have a test of their floor plan 13 months earlier and guess what?
They found problems then...
Looks like they really took the faults seriously huh?

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