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Originally posted by jon jon LMAO, I can't believe you have the nerve to post in an exctasy thread.

I believe I already explained this after Tiesto...and I was just asking a question because all the stuff I seem to find on the internet is usually biased or hints at negative long term effects.

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Originally posted by Tag Nasty bouts of depression?...from what I;ve seen e is more like an anti depressant...and ppl dont generally get depressed. Speed on the otehr hand gives nasty depression.

Ok, no, that's simply not true. Yeah maybe in the short term it acts like an anti-depressant (duh), but *anything* that elevates serotonin levels will inevitably cause depression if used in excess. That's why doctors are so reluctant to put people on MAOIs and other "anti-depressants" - because they form nasty psychological dependencies.

Speed (methamphetamine) is actually far less likely to cause depression because it acts on the dopamine system, not the serotonin system. It causes much worse symptoms though; when you combine severe fatigue with the inability to eat or sleep, essentially the only way to cope is to take more drugs. That's why meth addicts don't last for too long... you just can't survive without good healthy sleep.

Sorry guys - just because most of the MDMA studies which showed negative results were falsified or conducted incorrectly does NOT mean it has no negative effects. Usually I don't let it bother me if some people are making a habit of it, because eventually those people start to burn out and take it less often - but just like weed, ecstasy has very real and very tangible side effects that frequent users will often delude themselves into thinking they don't have.

Non-chemically-addictive substances can still be psychologically addictive, and the first (and most important) step toward psychological dependency is the denial of side effects.

Dude you do realize that the top German scientists who conducted one of the most accurate reports on MDMA discovered that the loss or alteration in seratonin levels was minimal? I believe they said 5%? And that's with consistent use...

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Originally posted by Lopitrance Dude you do realize that the top German scientists who conducted one of the most accurate reports on MDMA discovered that the loss or alteration in seratonin levels was minimal? I believe they said 5%? And that's with consistent use...

Oh right, because you heard it on the Peter Jennings report.

Do you even know what he was talking about?

Have you seen the report? How do you know it's the most accurate? What was the test size? What was the control size, and what was the control?

What did they consider to be frequent? How did they measure the serotonin levels? Was the 5% loss after a single dose (and if so, how big a dose?), or after a certain amount of recovery time? Do they know if the effects are cumulative? What about receptor down-regulation? And what about the fact that pills are rarely pure MDMA and are usually cut with much more harmful substances like MDA, methamphetamine and various other amphetamines?

Make whatever excuses you need to take your pill every Saturday night - I'm just saying that it's not healthy, and I SEE the effects in people I know.

Buddy, I dont need to make excuses to take my pill every saturday night.

Here's why I do it: It's fun, and it beats the hell out of drinking, and chances are its less likely to A) Make me fat, and B) Make me stupid and C) Make me pass out and have sex with my estranged (also drunken and very ugly) cousin.


All of what you're asking me, WAS covered in the ABC thing.


Plus I have spoken to my neurologist about the effects of MDMA in the past and know all that I need to for safe and controlled use.

Not saying that I follow that, but I do know what I should and should NOT do when it comes to these things.

Well diginut...I was going by personal experience with e and speed. Personally I find there's a greater depression after speed. Either way they're both bad for you. You're right about that. However, for ppl like myself the benefits are worth it...there's something to be said for having all your stresses and problems taking away for a night.
My buddy Lopi has some fucked up neural problem...he limps and one of his eyes moves all wak. When he takes e all those problems go away.

nothing recreational is good for you though, so screw it. I used to think drinking alcohol was better for you and more morally correct. That was ignorant.

Long term alcohol use damages your liver, poisions your blood...the effects of smoking are obvious. E messes with your brain to some degree...things like coke and speed put tremendous pressure on your heart and also fuck your brain. So it's all good...the best thing is just to do it responsibly. It doesn't serve any purpose to praise one and not the other.

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 nothing recreational is good for you though, so screw it. I used to think drinking alcohol was better for you and more morally correct. That was ignorant. Long term alcohol use damages your liver, poisions your blood...the effects of smoking are obvious. E messes with your brain to some degree...things like coke and speed put tremendous pressure on your heart and also fuck your brain. So it's all good...the best thing is just to do it responsibly. It doesn't serve any purpose to praise one and not the other.

+1...for me I've seen more ppl messed up with alcohol. Also speed for the avg person may be bad for their bodys, physically. However, I come from a strong cycling racing back ground and now switching into triathlon abd running. For me dancing 12 hours isnt that bad. Like my hrt doesnt even get as high as it does in a 6 hour bike race. So if you're a trained athlete like myself it's not that bad. You can see it just in how all my friends are sore after and tired and I just have one good nights sleep and im back to normal. I also hate alcohol cause for me it puts on weight...bad for racing.

Re: Re: Blame Canada

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Hey, we finally beat out Colombia and Mexico!!!! WE'RE NUMBER 1, WE'RE NUMBER 1, WE'RE NUMBER 1....

LMFAO

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Originally posted by Dj Smitty20 because all the stuff I seem to find on the internet

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Originally posted by Tiesto4Life I have one, I have one!! I'm a crackhead!! Now can I join?

I can vouch for this...

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Originally posted by DigiNut I heard on ABC news that you're a fucktard.

LOL that line just rolls off the tongue for some reason!!!

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Originally posted by jon jon

point me in the direction I should look then.

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Originally posted by Tag Well what exactly counts as a crackhead story...only good one i can think of involves a very wealthy, short, black american guy who was gay...after going to aria...but I;m not posting about that here.

Post it in the Crackhead alliance thread in the CORe. Impress the crackheads and you're golden!

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