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Originally posted by Jem_hadar It's not a competition between events.

Well said Jamie.

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Originally posted by iLLnaDa RIP to all the little children of Africa who die of hunger and disease every minute, hour and EVERY DAY!!

Too bad their lives arent as important as the Americans.

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Originally posted by fayraree A simple footnote on a memorial service (which should take place every year... would suffice

Are you serious? The worst act of terrorism in US history and you want a footnote? Over 3000 people die, billions of dollars in damage, drastic increases in security - and you want a footnote?

Unbelievable.

i think this has to be remembered every year.

it changed history and affected many people. and yes a lot of people still care about it.

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Originally posted by rabbitjoker Are you serious? The worst act of terrorism in US history and you want a footnote? Over 3000 people die, billions of dollars in damage, drastic increases in security - and you want a footnote? Unbelievable.

Yeah, RJ, because rather than focus media attention on something that has already happened (four years ago) the point being made here by all is that this media money would be better spent by focusing on stories in which people are dying TODAY and TOMORROW and THE NEXT DAY...prevent MORE people from dying in the world by bringing these other HEINOUS crimes against humanity to the attention of the western world and possibly raise money/awareness to HELP solve THOSE problems.

Again, waste of air time and money...

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced So does anyone really care anymore about 9/11 oh sorry I mean September 11? IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS ALREADY

Yes I care, and always will. Innocent people were killed, and aside from anyone's political views regarding this event it should always be remembered. On a side note check out a smilar thread on the NYC page
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=291198

sometimes he point of remembering is looking back and learning something, we should do a better job of it sometimes thou aka "never again b.s."

we have to look back, u cant just forget your past , history is everything you know and without it u know nothing

*bump*

25 minutes past sept 11th and its on page 2!!

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Originally posted by Pettiscool *bump* 25 minutes past sept 11th and its on page 2!!

so?

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Originally posted by DigiNut But again, the reason it's not getting the same attention as 9/11 is because it's not linked to a problem that potentially threatens us or our way of life - it's linked to a problem that our interference has actually made worse. If the kings and queens and mock-governments had to live in near-poverty like the other people in those countries, they would have had a much stronger driving force to actually develop those countries. That was, after all, how European society developed in the renaissance era (and consequently how North American society came to exist).

Oh but it does threaten our way of life. To develop many of these nations is to eliminate cheap labour, deflated resources, etc. Helping guide a nation on the road to global market success means increased competition. To the developed world, developing the non developed world means a boom in demand for non renewable resources. Just like Oil and Gas is going up because of China's and India's boom, any other nation would require these same resources making it more expensive for the rest of us. Threatening our ability to fill the tank on our SUV....threatening our way of life......


Karim

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Originally posted by DigiNut It's been over 50 years since the Holocaust and World War II... should we just forget about that? Does anybody still care? I see where you're coming from dude but seriously, the significance of 9/11 was not just that a few people were killed - it was the first time since Pearl Harbour that Americans were attacked on a mass scale on their own soil. Katrina may be 100x more devastating and more tragic, but it is also a *natural* disaster.

100% agree with you

Sept 11th - three days before my 21st birthday.

I was living in MA at school and EVERYONE there had someone they knew in NYC and a good percentage had fam or friends in the Towers. I remember no one went to class for the rest of the week and I remember them drugging a girl in my house to remove her because both her parents were in the Towers when they collapsed. I remember watching one of my professors run tearing out the door to make sure of the flight number his wife and kids were on - they were on a United flight to LA and, luckily, not on a hijacked plane.

I thought I was watching a movie when I walked into the athletic lounge that morning.

EVERYONE will remember that day as long as we live. EVERYONE. You don't need a ceremony or a TV special or a concert to commemorate what everyone in this country already knows. Besides, moving on is healthy.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced So does anyone really care anymore about 9/11 oh sorry I mean September 11? IT'S BEEN FOUR YEARS ALREADY

Ignorant.

You know i find this all very ironic. I don't see any rememberance ceremonies for the 1998 simultaneous bombings of the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania.

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Car bombs in vehicles adjacent to the embassies were detonated simultaneously at 10:45 am local time (3:45 am Washington time). In Nairobi, where the embassy was located in a busy downtown area, 213 people were killed and an estimated 4000 injured; in Dar es Salaam, the embassy was further from the city center, and the attack killed at least 12 and wounded 85. Although the attacks may have been intended to kill employees of the United States government, and killed several U.S. diplomats, almost all of the victims were African civilians. 32 Kenyans and twelve Americans were killed in Nairobi, and eight Tanzanian Embassy employees were killed. The remainder of the dead were visitors, passers-by, or people in neighboring buildings. The Islamist terrorist network al Qaeda claimed responsibility for both incidents.

Oooohhh but wait! Most of the people killed then weren't American. My bad, i guess it just doesn't count then

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Originally posted by loca You know i find this all very ironic. I don't see any rememberance ceremonies for the 1998 simultaneous bombings of the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Oooohhh but wait! Most of the people killed then weren't American. My bad, i guess it just doesn't count then

Put it this way, what do you think is more important to americans? Lives of americans or other peoples?

It's just like Canadians caring more about what happens to fellow Canadians than other people in the world.

This world of ours is a land of tears. While we should try to remember the lives lost in unfortunate events, human mind has different priorities for each mind.

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Originally posted by EvilTree Put it this way, what do you think is more important to americans? Lives of americans or other peoples? It's just like Canadians caring more about what happens to fellow Canadians than other people in the world. This world of ours is a land of tears. While we should try to remember the lives lost in unfortunate events, human mind has different priorities for each mind.

Aye is does. Fact of life.

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Originally posted by loca You know i find this all very ironic. I don't see any rememberance ceremonies for the 1998 simultaneous bombings of the American Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania. Oooohhh but wait! Most of the people killed then weren't American. My bad, i guess it just doesn't count then

I see no memorials for the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Africans in Rwanda who were massacered when the world stood by and watched. Or any outrage towards the ethnic cleansing that happend in former Yoguslavia. These are just two examples of blatent MURDER like that of 9/11. These tragedies have caused death on a grand scale, and should be remembered but it just appears that some lives are just worth more then others.

There better damn well be a memorial for New Orleans. But I don't think that the particular day Katrina hit, and the levee's failed will be etched into memory like 9/11 has, or will ever see as much media coverage for that matter.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe I see no memorials for the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Africans in Rwanda who were massacered when the world stood by and watched. Or any outrage towards the ethnic cleansing that happend in former Yoguslavia. These are just two examples of blatent MURDER like that of 9/11. These tragedies have caused death on a grand scale, and should be remembered but it just appears that some lives are just worth more then others. There better damn well be a memorial for New Orleans. But I don't think that the particular day Katrina hit, and the levee's failed will be etched into memory like 9/11 has, or will ever see as much media coverage for that matter.

Yup i totally agree with your point. That kind of thing makes me really sick, the fact that, as you said, some lives are apparently worth more than others.

And to be honest with you, i doubt there will be a memorial for the day Katrina hit New Orleans. The only people who will remember that are the people who lived through it. And because of the fact that it was a 'natural disaster' (even though the levee failing was a blatant error on the part of the US Government) we won't get movies about it every single August 30th, or some big "let's remember the families who suffered" show.

I'm feeling more and more jaded towards this whole thing.

I have no problem with memorial services for such a traumatic event. Even though we don't see any memorial services for traumatic events across the world I am sure there are...the difference is that we see all the american media coverage of events that happen in the states. We don't see media coverage from other areas of the world.

My real problem is that we don't see the memorial services for the other terrorist attacks in the states. It seems that September 11 gets more coverage then the other attacks.

Blame media

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Originally posted by EvilTree Blame media

Why not blame the media....the media decides what is important and as long as we watch then they will keep pumping it out. As soon as we stop watching then they will move on to something else that catches our interest.....so maybe we should blame ourselves then.

I do care...Hell it still really bothers me. My, our generation (I'm 28) have not lived through a major conflict or act like this. Our Grandparents saw WW1 and WW2; our parents witnessed Vietnam, Korea, and the cold war. Forgive me if I have over looked a conflict. These events shaped the way our previous generations viewed the world in many respects and 9/11 has had the same effect on us. The only problem is that the media twists and force feeds us what they want us to see and hear. I am not Pro-American or for that fact Anti-American...I am Pro Peace! As soon as we forget history it is bound to repeat itself...we need to remember what has happened and pay our respects in our own way...I guess to sum this up I will always remember where I was and what I was doing on this faitful day. Ask your parents where they were when JFK was shot. Ask your Grandparents where they were when the atomic bombs were dropped in Japan. They will know and they will tell you the exact details and those of you that care will remember and tell your children. I mean not to offend with this post...I guess I'm just getting a little soft as I get older and I have been affected dramatically by the events of 9/11 and all that ensued afterwards. To all my fellow brothers and sisters...in the words of John Singleton:

INCREASE THE PEACE!!!!

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Originally posted by gROOvin I do care...Hell it still really bothers me. My, our generation (I'm 28) have not lived through a major conflict or act like this. Our Grandparents saw WW1 and WW2; our parents witnessed Vietnam, Korea, and the cold war. Forgive me if I have over looked a conflict. These events shaped the way our previous generations viewed the world in many respects and 9/11 has had the same effect on us. The only problem is that the media twists and force feeds us what they want us to see and hear. I am not Pro-American or for that fact Anti-American...I am Pro Peace! As soon as we forget history it is bound to repeat itself...we need to remember what has happened and pay our respects in our own way...I guess to sum this up I will always remember where I was and what I was doing on this faitful day. Ask your parents where they were when JFK was shot. Ask your Grandparents where they were when the atomic bombs were dropped in Japan. They will know and they will tell you the exact details and those of you that care will remember and tell your children. I mean not to offend with this post...I guess I'm just getting a little soft as I get older and I have been affected dramatically by the events of 9/11 and all that ensued afterwards. To all my fellow brothers and sisters...in the words of John Singleton: INCREASE THE PEACE!!!!

Well Said

even I, who's not the biggest fan of "American ways", think they deserve a memorial.

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