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not to sound like the cold hearted TA asshole or anything...but why should we keep remembering this? so it was something bad that happened in our nations history...let's leave it in the past and worry about other things...

It is the reason people remember any tragedy in world history. People remember all types of events from D-Day to the bombing of Hiroshima, the bombings in London and Bali, etc because you remember the victims of that day, what they died for, and to remember the lessons learned on that day so they may never happen again. We must learn from our mistakes or be doomed to repeat them.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller not to sound like the cold hearted TA asshole or anything...but why should we keep remembering this? so it was something bad that happened in our nations history...let's leave it in the past and worry about other things...

i agree but be careful you could get banned for speaking ur mind. for the ppl who were directly effected sure they will never forget. i find it distasteful how the media feeds on these types of tragedies. would be nice if the administration actually did some thing instead of paying lip service. We saw during Katrina how much progress they have actually made.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil It is the reason people remember any tragedy in world history. People remember all types of events from D-Day to the bombing of Hiroshima, the bombings in London and Bali, etc because you remember the victims of that day, what they died for, and to remember the lessons learned on that day so they may never happen again. We must learn from our mistakes or be doomed to repeat them.

yeah i understand remember your mistakes, but this wasn't the holocaust or the civil war. we don't have like oklahoma city day or US embassey day or any of that...i'm glad people are sorry for the victims of the attack...i am too, but to sit and dwell on it year after year seems pointless to me...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller yeah i understand remember your mistakes, but this wasn't the holocaust or the civil war. we don't have like oklahoma city day or US embassey day or any of that...i'm glad people are sorry for the victims of the attack...i am too, but to sit and dwell on it year after year seems pointless to me...

I don't know. Maybe it's something about the cold, calculated and deliberateness of the terrorists attacks that angered and shocked so many Americans.

it's tough to say why this should have any precedence over any other tragedy..but still it's an event that pretty much has changed the course of history.

I guess eventually it'll just become a remembrance day where it doesn't have to be displayed by every media outlet and crammed in our face 24/7.

It's not 9/11 day(at least not officially), it just happens we are in the United States where this occured and this is the day of the tragedy. Oklahoma has a rememberence each year at the memorial with all the empty seats for all the victims. Each year on December 7 we remember pearl harbor, we show movies, our grandparents share stories and visit the memorial. On the bombings of Hiroshima they stop with a moment of silence in Japan and we remember it here too with movies and that was like 50+ years ago. Hell there are even rememberences for Lady Di and she is just a single person. I'm sure all around the world countries celebrate and remember their disasters.

Doesn't seem to me to be dwelling as much as remembering. I don't see what the problem is really showing things on tv and talking about it.

i guess i just think that spending everyday thinking about past disasters isn't a great way to go through life. certain events are going to have greater importance to certain people, but i don't think they necessarily need to make it a point to say something on the news or in the newspaper or something...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i guess i just think that spending everyday thinking about past disasters isn't a great way to go through life. certain events are going to have greater importance to certain people, but i don't think they necessarily need to make it a point to say something on the news or in the newspaper or something...

Plus you're also saying that without a direcet relationship to anyone connected with the September 11th attacks (i'm guessing). You could be singing a different tune if something happened and you or your family was affected in any way.

It's easy for people like you and me who didn't have anyone perish in the attacks say "move on" as opposed to people who lost a loved one.

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Originally posted by Mebot Plus you're also saying that without a direcet relationship to anyone connected with the September 11th attacks (i'm guessing). You could be singing a different tune if something happened and you or your family was affected in any way. It's easy for people like you and me who didn't have anyone perish in the attacks say "move on" as opposed to people who lost a loved one.

read my post noob

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Originally posted by igottaknow read my post noob

I did.

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Originally posted by Mebot Plus you're also saying that without a direcet relationship to anyone connected with the September 11th attacks (i'm guessing). You could be singing a different tune if something happened and you or your family was affected in any way. It's easy for people like you and me who didn't have anyone perish in the attacks say "move on" as opposed to people who lost a loved one.

yeah you're right, i was not directly affected by 9/11 and if i had lost someone specialy to me it'd have more significance no doubt, but i still don't think that means that everyone has to "remember" and have a moment of silence or have to watch shows about the brave firefighters etc. if people feel the need to grieve on 9/11 i'm not going to tell them not to, but i'm just saying that there are those of us that don't need to...and they shouldn't be offended if we don't...

do we start a columbine school shooting 4/20 thread every year? of course not...i think it'd be ridiculous...

Im just remembering my 3 days of shock followed by me almost joining the military because my country doesnt get attacked. I remembered this day and I gathered all of my friends and we talked about it and remembered.

We didn't forget and I havent in the years between. It remains real and it happened.

God bless 'em

Why celebrate anything really then? We have a lot of things that we celebrate such as the Fourth of July, Lincoln and Washington birthdays, MLK day, and others. Why bother to remember someone's birthday from two centuries ago, the day of the countries beginning, or a day for some civil rights activist from years ago. I think we tend to remember days which were pivotal in the history of our country and our world in a whole and 9/11 has been a pivotal point in our history and of the world in that the mentality of people changed after that point, the same as a lot of these other days we remember whether good or bad were all pivotal points in our history.

No one is telling you to grieve, it is pretty easy to not read the article in the paper or watch the show on tv or not do the moment of silence, but chastising others for doing so to me seems wrong.

Haha your not complaining about the quality of threads in the CORE are you? Take a look at the fluff that is there right now, I don't think this thread is really taking up any room.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller do we start a columbine school shooting 4/20 thread every year? of course not...i think it'd be ridiculous...

true..yet (and although this doesn't sound "right"), i think 9/11 was more important than the Columbine school shooting...or the Oklahoma City Bombing or anything else...

not necessarily in terms of lives lost becuase i don't think that should make a bigger difference over what tragedy gets honored and which doesn't, because that would be fucked up. It's like favoritism..


yet somehow it IS like this, but 9/11 also sparked the war on terrorism and the war in iraq and the USAPATRIOT act...

i mean it;s hard to forget something that still has an impact and effect on our lives today.







I still agree with you though that it should be grieved and remembered by people that choose to do so, instead of "glorified" like it is, saturated throughout the media.

jason said it more eliquent than me. i have a suspicion that most 9/11 family victims don't relish their person tragedies be relived for public consumption. remember how the media was showing the planes slamming into the buildings repeatedly until someone told them it was bad taste and it would hurt their ratings if the continued to do so.

maybe i'm just cynical but most ppl never gave a dam about the victims (poor black NO ppl) until now. These ppl can be found in every american city. But its popular right now to join the "cause" because of the media hype. In no time it will be business as usually the poor will be forgotten again. my point is hype is hype if you feel that bad then do something instead of watching an 9/11 anniversery show.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil Why celebrate anything really then? We have a lot of things that we celebrate such as the Fourth of July, Lincoln and Washington birthdays, MLK day, and others. Why bother to remember someone's birthday from two centuries ago, the day of the countries beginning, or a day for some civil rights activist from years ago. I think we tend to remember days which were pivotal in the history of our country and our world in a whole and 9/11 has been a pivotal point in our history and of the world in that the mentality of people changed after that point, the same as a lot of these other days we remember whether good or bad were all pivotal points in our history. No one is telling you to grieve, it is pretty easy to not read the article in the paper or watch the show on tv or not do the moment of silence, but chastising others for doing so to me seems wrong. Haha your not complaining about the quality of threads in the CORE are you? Take a look at the fluff that is there right now, I don't think this thread is really taking up any room.

well...i certainly don't think i'm chastising anyone here. i just meant that...what is the expectation of a thread dedicated to this? seems like some people were a little put off that one wasn't started (not you mebot)...

and i think it's a little ethnocentric of us to think that 9/11 changed the world atmosphere. terrorism has been apart of this world for a century and a half...just because we were finally the victim of it doesn't change the global community.

is america going to remember and honor the terrorist bombings in london next year? of course not. you say why remember any events? i say there really is no reason. something like 4th of july i can understand...the birth of a nation bla bla bla....but MLK day...Columbus Day...presidential birthdays...etc i think are stupid holidays. am i going to take the day off of work? you're damn right i am. am i going to celebrate the day as some great moment in history...no not really.


ps. i'm not complaining about this thread at all...there is a ton of crap in the COR the last couple of days since this whole drunk thread crap, but i'm just trying to say that i don't think its essential that people need to remember this as that is the impression i was getting from a couple of the posts...

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Originally posted by Floorfiller not to sound like the cold hearted TA asshole or anything...but why should we keep remembering this? so it was something bad that happened in our nations history...let's leave it in the past and worry about other things...

either you're an idiot or you have no sense of reality and the damage that day laid upon us all, economy wise, politicly, internationally, and dozens of different factors.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i guess i just think that spending everyday thinking about past disasters isn't a great way to go through life. certain events are going to have greater importance to certain people, but i don't think they necessarily need to make it a point to say something on the news or in the newspaper or something...

I don't see your point...what is the problem remembering something this tragic once a year? Perhaps we should also forget about Hiroshima, D-Day, the tsunami..and other events...we wouldn't want to upset ourselves remembering all the victims of such events now would we?
We have to move on yes, but I don't see any harm remembering the day, no matter how many years after.

this is useless. some of you can't even see my point. i'm just saying hey if you feel like mourning...go ahead, but some of us would rather spend our time in another way. was 9/11 sad? yes...it was a terrible thing, but there has already been a reaction to it and i don't see the need personally to relive it every september.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller this is useless. some of you can't even see my point. i'm just saying hey if you feel like mourning...go ahead, but some of us would rather spend our time in another way. was 9/11 sad? yes...it was a terrible thing, but there has already been a reaction to it and i don't see the need personally to relive it every september.

i agree with him. of course it's good to mourn for a bit the innocent people that died that day, but to keep our focus on the whole 9/11 attack.. that's what the terrorists want, to mark us deeply. it's better to proceed with life instead of feeding the trauma.

its because in 300 years we have been attacked only 3 times. 1812, pearl harbor, 9/11. It was a big day.

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Originally posted by Orbax its because in 300 years we have been attacked only 3 times. 1812, pearl harbor, 9/11. It was a big day.

There has been a few more attacks then that....even the Twin Towers have been attacked before.

Regardless, we remember those who die in war for us. Now these people did not die in a war for the american people but I do believe that some sort of memorial service should be held....I don't think it needs to have all day media attention but to hold a memorial at the site for people to attend is a good thing....it does help those affected by the event deal with it.

i'm just glad you wrote "would've" instead of the frequently used "would of" which is obviuosly a misunderstanding.

I see your point completely Jason, and agree.

I prefer to celebrate triumph than mourn loss, and in these sort of situations, as it was earlier said, the aim of the terrorists was to terrorize, and by keeping it in the public mind year on year means they are inadvertantly accomplishing part of their goal.

Everyone is, however, entitled to deal with whatever however they please (within reason of course).

aren't there some cultures that have holidays where they celebrate a day of atrocity? not joking but i think i remember seeing one where people punch the shit out of each other and then party into the night to remember a day where many of their own were killed fighting off "the white man"

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