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Originally posted by Bigmmike yes I know that, but the reason I dont like to give out my tracks is because I dont want people to make copies of it and then get onto the p2p network. But then other then that, my music has been playin by some djs and etc...

LOL, get over man, honestly, I dont give a fuck if someone downloads my music for free, before i released my album I posted here a full 128 kbs verison for free download, and after the contract finish, in a year I will upload it to my webpage as a free download forever.
Remember man, music is a joy before a work, never become a worker of the music or u are fuck .
Kopi =o.

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Originally posted by Icone Yes, of course... All the effort making a track gone to waste perhaps? I have so many tracks on p2p that I made for fun/passion and experience... Today's attitude towards producing really stinks *bah*

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I just want people to hear my music, when a DJ spins my track it gives me a kick. So if my tracks are on p2p (which they arent lol) more people will give them a listen. Getting signed is I think just another way to get more kicks out of.

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Originally posted by Icone Yes, of course... All the effort making a track gone to waste perhaps? I have so many tracks on p2p that I made for fun/passion and experience... Today's attitude towards producing really stinks *bah*

I have to agree, the guy is simply looking for a bit of help and support, yeah he is new so were all of us at one time. good for you mike, im glad to see you made an effort to contact labels and get your music out there.

Terry

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Originally posted by Icone Yes, of course... All the effort making a track gone to waste perhaps? I have so many tracks on p2p that I made for fun/passion and experience... Today's attitude towards producing really stinks *bah*

Do you mean to say that if a track you make doesn't make money or get released, it's a wasted effort? Or were you saying that *that* attitude stinks?

I get a rush out of hearing one of my tracks played on a PA... other than that, it can make a million dollars or zero dollars as far as I'm concerned. As long as somebody else isn't profiting from my hard work, then who cares, that's what day jobs are for...

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Originally posted by DigiNut I get a rush out of hearing one of my tracks played on a PA... other than that, it can make a million dollars or zero dollars as far as I'm concerned. As long as somebody else isn't profiting from my hard work, then who cares, that's what day jobs are for...[/COLOR][/FONT]

Its not about money but if u make money because of it then its an added bonus. People must have balls to contact lables, personally iv never tried yet, well if i ever finish an original lol

At the end of the day it works both ways, the forum is here to help and promote, im not havin a go at anyone but i gotta say the attitude is bad as i have experienced myself also. There is no need, yes u no, have a laugh but to put someone down who is trying to make an effort is uncalled for in many cases what i have seen.

I say play nice and what goes around comes around, good or bad.

Terry

Thanks terry. Yea im still sending out more emails to more labels/djs/producers, over 105 sent so far.

This is becoming another *I love music, I do music for love, just love only and who get benefits from jusic is the evil! bla bla bla crap thread*
Honestly, it make me laught when all u appear as *avengers* of the love of the music, firsth, I dont consider alot of u musicians, just Trance Producers, to be a musician involves too much more than just to do some nice beats, chords and production. Of course music is a joy, and I do it for pleassure, and I would do it even if I would have to pay to do it *I actually pay, because I am taking the carrer of composition and is 12 years paying for workshops and etc in a regular basis*, but if I can get some money of it, hell yeah welcome, it will help me to get more hardware, instruments, etc etc etc = More time and support to continue creating music, to gain money with my music does not means I became a worker of the music or sort of, I live for music, why not to live from music also if I can?
Plz, stop being hypocritals, u are not the Crusaders of the music or sort of but this has become pretty bored, the same guys shaming on the guys trying to get some benefits from music ...
I consider patethic to do music just for the money, but dont confuze this kind of persons with some honest peep that makes music and also would like to get some benefits from it.
PS: I am not defending mike at all, honestly, he is 16 years old and I dont take serious his attitude on his latest threads for that matter, you know how we were at that age * I am the center of the universe* .
Kopi =o.
Kopi =O.

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak This is becoming another *I love music, I do music for love, just love only and who get benefits from jusic is the evil! bla bla bla crap thread* Honestly, it make me laught when all u appear as *avengers* of the love of the music, firsth, I dont consider alot of u musicians, just Trance Producers, to be a musician involves too much more than just to do some nice beats, chords and production. Of course music is a joy, and I do it for pleassure, and I would do it even if I would have to pay to do it *I actually pay, because I am taking the carrer of composition and is 12 years paying for workshops and etc in a regular basis*, but if I can get some money of it, hell yeah welcome, it will help me to get more hardware, instruments, etc etc etc = More time and support to continue creating music, to gain money with my music does not means I became a worker of the music or sort of, I live for music, why not to live from music also if I can? Plz, stop being hypocritals, u are not the Crusaders of the music or sort of but this has become pretty bored, the same guys shaming on the guys trying to get some benefits from music ... I consider patethic to do music just for the money, but dont confuze this kind of persons with some honest peep that makes music and also would like to get some benefits from it. PS: I am not defending mike at all, honestly, he is 16 years old and I dont take serious his attitude on his latest threads for that matter, you know how we were at that age * I am the center of the universe* . Kopi =o. Kopi =O.

Certainly I'm with this guy.

as for the kid asking for labels, do a google search as "Record labels in California".

You'll get a large list.

Actually by my exp so far, does anyone have any recommended labels that play "my style"??? http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pag...m?bandID=328023
Turns out, Im getting responses saying that my music is really great, just that they dont sign my style.

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Originally posted by Bigmmike Actually by my exp so far, does anyone have any recommended labels that play "my style"??? http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pag...m?bandID=328023 Turns out, Im getting responses saying that my music is really great, just that they dont sign my style.

Mate, ethereal posted a lot of the best already .

as for labels:
Bonzai
Armada
Euphonic
Anjunabeats
Black Hole
Equilibrium
Empire State
Trance Tribe
Trance Revolution
Somatic Sense
Platipus
Vandit
Discover
Mondo
Tsunami (Purple Eye Entertainment)
In Trance We Trust
ATCR
Fundamental


Kopi =o.

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak This is becoming another *I love music, I do music for love, just love only and who get benefits from jusic is the evil! bla bla bla crap thread*

I honestly don't see where anyone said or implied that.

I make tracks and I also work in software, and the principle is the same in both: it's great to make money and it's necessary to protect your intellectual property to the extent that it's practical. However, people who waste too much time on protecting their work and spend too little time on actually improving their work and coming up with new and innovative material are almost always frowned upon, both by the industry and by the general public.

For proof, you need look no further than Metallica (who lost almost all their support after they started whining about Napster) or Steinberg, Microsoft and Native Instruments in the software world (their protection schemes only piss off the legitimate paying users and don't do a thing to hamper the efforts of crackers).

Nobody is saying that it's wrong to try and make money from one's art. But artists need to accept the fact that at some point, their work IS going to get stolen, copied, reproduced, or otherwise ripped off, no matter what preventative or punitive measures they take. That's why the only TRUE solution for the "professional" (i.e. money-making) artists is to stay on their toes, keep creating new works and keep trying new things.

/rant

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Originally posted by DigiNut I honestly don't see where anyone said or implied that. I make tracks and I also work in software, and the principle is the same in both: it's great to make money and it's necessary to protect your intellectual property to the extent that it's practical. However, people who waste too much time on protecting their work and spend too little time on actually improving their work and coming up with new and innovative material are almost always frowned upon, both by the industry and by the general public. For proof, you need look no further than Metallica (who lost almost all their support after they started whining about Napster) or Steinberg, Microsoft and Native Instruments in the software world (their protection schemes only piss off the legitimate paying users and don't do a thing to hamper the efforts of crackers). Nobody is saying that it's wrong to try and make money from one's art. But artists need to accept the fact that at some point, their work IS going to get stolen, copied, reproduced, or otherwise ripped off, no matter what preventative or punitive measures they take. That's why the only TRUE solution for the "professional" (i.e. money-making) artists is to stay on their toes, keep creating new works and keep trying new things. /rant

I concur with you dude, I mean, u cannot do nothing to prevent peep to download ur music, and I actually dont care, I feel happy because means someone likes my music, plus if the album is really good people will buy it, this is good because will encourage producers to do better stuff, I mean, I am not going to buy a full cd just because one track rock's, but if the overal album is good, of course .
Plus musicians needs to find other ways to survive just than selling tracks, giving concerts, master classes, etc, actually I was reading some articles and a lot of bands gain more money giving concerts than selling cd's .
Kopi =o.
Kopi =o.

But mainly the reason I want to get signed is so I can get my music into the world without being duplicated and copied in p2p land.


I mean, itd be great that everyone would have my track on p2p, but it will be almost like, I produced and spent hours on this track for nothing. To improve music you need more tools which cost tons of money.

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Originally posted by kopi_luwak actually I was reading some articles and a lot of bands gain more money giving concerts than selling cd's . Kopi =o. Kopi =o.

Oh of course, an artist gets real money with presentations, unless all your productions are hits. Since labels pay the artis (in most cases) just a small percentage of the total accumulate royalties. With live presentations is waaaayyyy different.

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Originally posted by PDM Oh of course, an artist gets real money with presentations, unless all your productions are hits. Since labels pay the artis (in most cases) just a small percentage of the total accumulate royalties. With live presentations is waaaayyyy different.

True, who set sup the concerts tho?? The producer/dj or the label?

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Originally posted by Bigmmike True, who set sup the concerts tho?? The producer/dj or the label?

Depends on both, is not liek u think bro, is not like in the movies where a label signs u up and u get vidoes, physicall cd's, fame! U need to promobate urself, go to the festivals near ur place, send them demos, etc .
Kopi =o.

Yea thats true...

Just an update.
I've gotten a few responses so far from the 150+ lables I sent out to, there all saying the same thing. They really enjoyed my tracks and they said there great and all, but they dont sign my style.

Id like to know, what is my style??? I've asked back the labels and they just sayin they dont know.

(http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/e...icaproducer.htm)

Don't take this the wrong way, but from my experience with labels I know that when they say you're not "their style" it's just a nice way of saying they don't want you.

I listened to the first tune on your SoundClick page and I must say I wouldn't sign it either. You have a very distinct software sound in all your synths, they're very thin and lifeless. You also have way too much high-end in everything, it's really killing my ears... especially with headphones.

Your melodies sound good but the production part still sounds very amateurish. I do not personally think your stuff is quite "mature" enough yet to be released, to be honest.

Well, if you really want to know why no label is interested in your tracks at the moment i can give you some advice. Your music has some nice elements, but it is just not the high quality they are looking for. You have to learn some more things and you definatly have to work on your structure and overall soundquality. I've listened to some of your tracks and i think you know how to make a nice melody, now focus on the structure and soundquality, that are the most important things that lacks in your tracks. So, listen to some of the great tranceartist and learn! At the moment your skills are not good enough to have an official release.

Thanks for the advice, thats what I needed to hear. Who would do the mastering tho??? the label or the producer?

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Originally posted by Bigmmike But mainly the reason I want to get signed is so I can get my music into the world without being duplicated and copied in p2p land. I mean, itd be great that everyone would have my track on p2p, but it will be almost like, I produced and spent hours on this track for nothing. To improve music you need more tools which cost tons of money.

It's a misunderstood function that p2p has nowadays I think. Everybody seems to afraid of it, yet it would be incredibly hyporcritical to think your track will never ever be shared in any form - regardless of it being released.

If my earlier tracks (those still weren't my very first) didn't get shared I think a whole bunch of people would not have heard it and be happy to keep it - what would have made me happy in the first place. Alot of people get noticed by sharing a couple of tracks first so people can already get used to their sound as well.

If you only send it to labels and nobody wants it, you still have only a very select group of people that will have heard your track and it'll just sit there on your hd doing nothing. You even won't get some valuable feedback from friends and other produces on the musical and productional value of the track as a whole.

Of course, I don't want to discourage you to not send anything to labels - by all means do so! I only thought it you just started I wouldn't worry about that straight away.

Cheers,
Wim

PS: DigiNut, I hope my opinion is a bit more clear for you now

Thanks, I just thought about it and my style is hard style. Does anyone know any labels that sign hard trance / raves???

omg dude... do searches...


and you DON'T need to buy tools to get better sound... you won't believe how good you can get your sound to be with one simple software and a few software synthesizers... it's not money or tools, it's time and experiance. it sure sounds like you have the right tools, just keep producing.

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