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Posted by Mark on Sep-17-2005 01:20:

i await for your glorious revolution!

Posted by dc ajaxs on Sep-17-2005 01:32:

Posted by krysx25 on Sep-17-2005 01:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark
i await for your glorious revolution!

It shall be grand, thanks Mark.

Posted by alligator on Sep-17-2005 01:39:

quote:
Originally posted by krysx25
my original argument was with the "promoters" and their
lack of advertising for events. I have no beef with
the people, the TA's or DJ's.

I however do sense a strong stench of negativity coming
from this forum. Perhaps that is the reason
for your shitty nite life. Perhaps instead of flaming me
you should inquire of my ideas and be positive to help me
influence change.

not to be totally against you...and you have a fair point against promoters...but even if they wouldn't do anything (ie no promotion)...having clubs that would play edm would created a different vibe. that's a revolution you would want...clubs to be open, people to be open to different kind of music and accept hearing something else than fifty cent crap lines...or beyonce's new moan on a cd...

i've seen postings of club XOX in richmond, promoting trance nights with dj jaspa as one of their residents...if anyone knows more please post

Posted by 24K on Sep-17-2005 01:58:

quote:
Originally posted by alligator
i've seen postings of club XOX in richmond, promoting trance nights with dj jaspa as one of their residents...if anyone knows more please post

XOX is Viva.

-nuff said

Posted by Mortyman on Sep-17-2005 02:33:

quote:
Originally posted by dc ajaxs
i expect quite the revolution. better get started. anyways. i think we should choose to ignore further posts by krystxk

That's you're choice my man! I personally think Krys is expressing his discontentment with the scene here and really wants to do something about it... besides bitching about it

Posted by Mortyman on Sep-17-2005 02:36:

quote:
Originally posted by 24K
XOX is Viva.

-nuff said

Did they change management or just the name?

Posted by apri_peel on Sep-17-2005 02:37:

the problem with the vancouver nighlife is not that our clubs close early, its that its rather polarized and because of that not many people end up supporting trance. the only support it gets is at raves but people have other reasons than music to attend those

Posted by dc ajaxs on Sep-17-2005 03:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Mortyman
That's you're choice my man! I personally think Krys is expressing his discontentment with the scene here and really wants to do something about it... besides bitching about it

true,

Posted by Mark on Sep-17-2005 04:12:

quote:
Originally posted by alligator
or beyonce's new moan on a cd...

hey! i actually like beyonce.

if you guys really want this scene to grow again, the best thing you can do as a clubber is support the LOCALS as much as you can, not just the big DJ's.

Posted by Mortyman on Sep-17-2005 04:21:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark
if you guys really want this scene to grow again, the best thing you can do as a clubber is support the LOCALS as much as you can, not just the big DJ's.

That's the best advice I've heard in a long time!!!

If you can't support your local DJ's, how can you support a local night?

Posted by Mark on Sep-17-2005 04:25:

i should mention that you should support the talented locals and not just some average joe who think they can mix. come out to the clubs/lounges, hear what they play, how they mix. if you feel their tunes and their mixing, come out again.

Posted by TIESTO_MESSIAH on Sep-17-2005 04:32:

FINALLY !

quote:
Originally posted by Mark
hey! i actually like beyonce.

if you guys really want this scene to grow again, the best thing you can do as a clubber is support the LOCALS as much as you can, not just the big DJ's.

Thnx Mark, it all starts and ends right there...well done.
In the past year i have witnessed some of our local DJs blow the big name DJs away!!! But its sad even thow the quality of sets have been great , both technically speaking and track list wise....the venue is not even half full!!

Posted by Tayfoon on Sep-17-2005 06:12:

its not about you or me

if the promoters lose money time after time, they WONT bother booking same dj's and same format again

Posted by 24K on Sep-17-2005 06:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Mortyman
Did they change management or just the name?

unfortunately just the name

Posted by alligator on Sep-17-2005 18:58:

quote:
Originally posted by 24K
XOX is Viva.

-nuff said

thanks for the confirmation

Posted by ImmortalTechniq on Sep-19-2005 08:32:

boys and girls, tranceaddicts of all ages...

i was browsing through the threads and i ran into this one. "how nice" i thought to myself, "finally i found a thread which covers the most important topic to me, how to bring toronto's scene to vancouver".

I read the replies and as i dug deeper into the threads i realized where our problem truly lies. This problem has nothing to do with longer hours or a big enough venue.

The fact of the matter is that Trance as a genre is not nearly big enough here as it is in toronto. Thus, it is not economically wise for promoters and club owners to continually host local talent, relatively unkown dj's, or underground acts. We only get the bigger names once in a while because they are the most profitable.

What we need to do, as a community of "trance addicts",is not to dwell on the impossible task of getting city hall to approve longer hours, or beg the big names to come here more often. What we need to do is promote TRANCE and HOUSE as respective genre's, not promote individual nights or dj's.

Some of you might be startled at what i just said "not promote individual nights or dj's". But its true. Without a solid foundation we cannot build upon it. Trance must be played on more radio stations, more TV channels; it must be talked about more on sites just like this, and it must be brought forth to newer faces and greater audiences. Only after this can we expect packed nights at plush and longer hours.

thats it for me...agree with it or dont, its up to you...but the bottom line is we need to bring the popularity of trance up to that of "hip hop & top40" for promoters to pay attention. thats just capitalism for you.

Posted by sugardevill on Sep-19-2005 17:44:

exactly, which is why trance does so well out in europe, it's a part of their life out there, they even have it on their radio stations reaching a larger mass of people, even when i was in Madrid, this one music store I was in had half of it's space dedicated to edm !!
I just came back from florida, and I was listening to their top 40 or whatever with ryan seacrest, and their number one song was this techy house song that I can't remember the name of right now, but the reason why it did so well they said, was cuz they changed it to the instrumental version! that tells you right there how people respond to edm and such !

Posted by apri_peel on Sep-20-2005 00:00:

its all about opening people's minds

Posted by Mortyman on Sep-20-2005 01:28:

quote:
Originally posted by ImmortalTechniq
I read the replies and as i dug deeper into the threads i realized where our problem truly lies. This problem has nothing to do with longer hours or a big enough venue.

The fact of the matter is that Trance as a genre is not nearly big enough here as it is in toronto. Thus, it is not economically wise for promoters and club owners to continually host local talent, relatively unkown dj's, or underground acts. We only get the bigger names once in a while because they are the most profitable.

What we need to do, as a community of "trance addicts",is not to dwell on the impossible task of getting city hall to approve longer hours, or beg the big names to come here more often. What we need to do is promote TRANCE and HOUSE as respective genre's, not promote individual nights or dj's.

Some of you might be startled at what i just said "not promote individual nights or dj's". But its true. Without a solid foundation we cannot build upon it. Trance must be played on more radio stations, more TV channels; it must be talked about more on sites just like this, and it must be brought forth to newer faces and greater audiences. Only after this can we expect packed nights at plush and longer hours.

Yes. I agree,but, how do you promote trance as a genre, when you got nowhere to go hear it? That's why you have to start by promoting individual nights, get the word out and start a consistent trance night in a well known club.

First step. Let's not mention Plush again, cause obviously we are comparing venues to that of Plush, but that's not gonna happen... to get Plush playing trance regularly, NO WAY.

Start out small, individual nights, smaller venues, local DJ's.

Inevitably you'll get your followers of those individual nights then it's time to move onto the bigger venues, as long as you individual nights are successful enough so hat you're not going into a new venue from scratch and no one's heard of your parties.

When you've got the proper venue to host a night, then you can start bringing in DJ's from other places, the following should be strong enough at this point where you're not marketing to certain people anymore just because it's a big name DJ in town.

All in all, you're still looking at possibly a good 2 years before a good consistent Trance night gets recognition in this town. All depending of course, but realistically, if you wanna please the trance masses, you gotta put in your time.

Posted by alligator on Sep-20-2005 01:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Mark
hey! i actually like beyonce.

if you guys really want this scene to grow again, the best thing you can do as a clubber is support the LOCALS as much as you can, not just the big DJ's.

besides the beyone love...

i agree...that's why i like the idea for the uranus lounge nights...local talent allowed to play out...

Posted by apri_peel on Sep-20-2005 04:03:

quote:
Originally posted by Mortyman

All in all, you're still looking at possibly a good 2 years before a good consistent Trance night gets recognition in this town. All depending of course, but realistically, if you wanna please the trance masses, you gotta put in your time.

the sad part is that we DID have a trance night with a regular following. too bad all the hard work that went into it was ruined by something really stupid

Posted by krysx25 on Sep-20-2005 04:55:

quote:
Originally posted by apri_peel
the sad part is that we DID have a trance night with a regular following. too bad all the hard work that went into it was ruined by something really stupid

which was ?????

Posted by Mortyman on Sep-20-2005 05:34:

Posted by apri_peel on Sep-20-2005 06:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Mortyman
If you say it was ruined by something really stupid... why is it so hard to get it back going again

lots of politics and hurt feelings are involved in this
it wouldve come back, kris, if it was easy

krysx, we had 3 wonderful trance nights and 1 amazing night catering to trance, techno, breaks and house. all three were gone around the same time.

there was ascension fridays at viva in richmond run by danny taylor and sean walsh, until sean moved to montreal (now known as xox club), there was vivid at sonar run by ph1 bringing amazing talent from various spectres of edm, there was union night at plush with some kick ass trance local and international and there was mirka's night at the drink (i cant remember the name of it :\ ) also with some great local talent spoling us with internationl acts as well.

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