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Posted by ChemEnhanced on Sep-29-2005 23:44:

The only reason I go is in hopes of doing way to many drugs and having a seizure on the dance floor that will cause me to die and then people can dance over my dead body


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-29-2005 23:45:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
The only reason I go is in hopes of doing way to many drugs and having a seizure on the dance floor that will cause me to die and then people can dance over my dead body


like the disco granny in studio 54?

LOL


Posted by Spyder on Sep-29-2005 23:51:

I think it�s a bit of both..
For instance I wont go see PVD because he used to be #1 omg he's the god.. I wont go see him because I just don�t like the style that he spins
But at the same time I do go see big djs such as tiesto and all.. because its tiesto.. cuz I want to say later on yes I did see him and I saw/heard for my self what he spins and if I liked it or not.


Posted by Sean Cassidy on Sep-30-2005 00:09:



and of course I go to SEE this SEXY MOFO as well TOM STEPHAN

(my what a BIG speaker you have there )

....but then again - it could also be for all the HOT BOYS that come out whenever he spins - BONUS!!

it is true that the cool status of DJ's have progressed from the audiophile geek playing obscure records in the 80's - into the CULT OF THE DJ we have now......

I tend to agree with NFCwave - this is a North American thing mainly - the posturing of the DJ as a rock star - for marketability sakes....thank you record labels!

But Sasha was the first proclaimed "PIN-UP DJ"......up until then most DJ's were uggs/fatties that probably would never have gotten a piece of ass if not the fact they were a "JOCK" so to speak......

Things have changed Jay and the way we view things have changed - everyone has a right to see things as they see fit - even if us oldies tend to pooh pooh the young ones for their naivity or lack of experience/knowledge. That WE weren't able to experience this "Pinnacle of the DJ" from the view point that someone does know - does not discount their very real appreciation for what they are experiencing - just because my mother never graduated past her love for Atari - PAC MAN does not discredit everything that has been developed since then in the gaming world.....

Our culture (especially youth) is obsessed with teh beauty and superstar no denying it.....but let people enjoy it - the DJ's sure are - Tiesto, Armin, Ferry, PVD etc........they are making a mint and I am sure that they love that very much!!!!!


Posted by Streamline on Sep-30-2005 00:21:

I go to see Dj's because I love the entire "experience" you get from it. It's just something you can reproduce at home.

The late nights, the lasers, the sound, the fact that you’re in a club and that DJ is playing live. Sure you can
listen to live sets of that DJ playing at such and such "massive event". And I am a firm believer that DJ's play WAY
better music when they are live rather than on a regular CD releases.

Being there first hand AND listening to that set later, it’s almost as if you re-live the entire experience.
I can tell you that most of the sets I just can’t stop listening to right now are from LoL and other events
I've attended this summer.

I go "see" a DJ because I can "hear" a DJ any day of the week.


Posted by Cosmic Fur on Sep-30-2005 00:29:

First, I think you may be forgetting that even in NA, Trance is still very much a niche market, so most of the general population still sees the DJs as nothing more than people who throw vinyls onto a deck. I still remember some person not understanding how we can judge a DJ's skill if he doesn't EVEN know how to scratch.

Second, how is the perception of DJs any different in Europe? Do people shit all over PVD, AVB, and so on? If anything, Europe is what launches the superstardom of the DJs, and we're just along for the ride.

Edit: didn't wanna make a double post, so...
quote:
Originally posted by Streamline
I go "see" a DJ because I can "hear" a DJ any day of the week.


You summed it up perfectly.


Posted by monishb on Sep-30-2005 00:30:

ok i am going to see jayx1 for his light show


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-30-2005 00:32:

quote:
Originally posted by maxtuh
ok i am going to see jayx1 for his light show


LOL!

well come to see my show... but dont expect me to do magic tricks or god poses LOL...


sorry maxtuh, im not signing your chest either.


Posted by Sean Cassidy on Sep-30-2005 00:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
LOL!

well come to see my show... but dont expect me to do magic tricks or god poses LOL...




LOL

hard to teach old dogs new tricks.....


Posted by Streamline on Sep-30-2005 01:05:

quote:
Originally posted by Cosmic Fur

Europe is what launches the superstardom of the DJs, and we're just along for the ride.


+1

Europe is and will most likely continue to have a foothold on producing the major players of music we listen to today.
And will also continue to throw the sickest party's imaginable.

Love Parade in San Fran actually surpassed anything I expected NA could do. I hope I don't get flamed cause
I'm a relative newb on what goes on in and around NA as massive events. Tiesto In Concert is great news as well.

As time goes on I think NA will eventually be riding with Europe. I feel there has been a major change, even
from the small viewpoint I have here in T.O. that more and more people are paying attention to the talent that comes here.


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-30-2005 01:09:

i wish i could send most of you ten years back in a time machine. youd see that "europe" was once in toronto until julian fantino, kiss 92 and hip hop ruined it. Then tiesto came to sweep up the pieces.

in fact its the BS of 99/2000 that got me into politics in the first place and made me realize just how much the government can ruin a society and ruin your fun for no reason.


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Sep-30-2005 01:16:

I remember when DJs use to be members of the AV club in high school...what ever happened to those good old days


Posted by magikb on Sep-30-2005 01:16:

^^ maybe so, but you can't bring back old times so why not just make due with what we've got now!

I know I am certainly having a blast in the scene still


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-30-2005 01:19:

quote:
Originally posted by magikb
^^ maybe so, but you can't bring back old times so why not just make due with what we've got now!

I know I am certainly having a blast in the scene still


as am i..but the showboat dj is creeping into what was once a good thing and im afraid the cheese is winning out over quality music.


Posted by magikb on Sep-30-2005 01:37:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
as am i..but the showboat dj is creeping into what was once a good thing and im afraid the cheese is winning out over quality music.


To each their own.. and trust me.. one day they will learn.. it is a matter of time..

if you would have asked me 2 years ago who my favourite dj was.. I would have told you Tiesto.. as a matter of fact.. I would have told you Tiesto up until I would say June of this year.. my taste and styles have since changed.. I have jumped completely into Techno, Progressive, Electro and House.. is Tiesto #1 any more.. no.. is Preach and Sasha now. yes.. hahaha.. so everyone in time does learn that... but some just prefer to continue to listen to that.. that's all.. and nothing you can do to change it.. we just gotta keep going to the dj's we enjoy seeing and ignore the rest... as hard as that may be sometimes


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-30-2005 01:40:

if people truly like tiesto's music then fine. But i suspect most go for the flash, the show, and the 40 songs that he plays that they have on their ipod at home.

That is not what djing and parties are supposed to be about.

Oakenfold was never nearly as bad as tiesto when it came to showboating. The reason he sucks now is only because he got lazy.


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Sep-30-2005 01:41:

quote:
Originally posted by magikb
^^ maybe so, but you can't bring back old times so why not just make due with what we've got now!

I know I am certainly having a blast in the scene still


One thing that time has taught me is all things old become new again


Posted by Chiclet on Sep-30-2005 01:43:

Hey Jay!

I think that if a DJ is good and innovative enough, seeing him/her is as important (if not more.... we've all been guilty of trainspotting) as hearing him/her.

Look at Turntablists and the occasional EDM DJ. You can get a lot of of just watching.

As for the pop image overtaking other aspects of DJing, well... hopefully people can see and hear well enough to tell the difference!

One of my all-time favourite EDM DJs to see is Adam Freeland, hands down.


Posted by Blue. on Sep-30-2005 01:44:

Re: To "see" a dj or to "hear" a dj?

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
until i came to tranceaddict, i had never heard anyone say "im going to see such and such" unless they were referring to a concert. Ive noticed that here practically everyone says "im going to see (insert dj)"

Now, i am or the belief that you dont go to "see" a dj, you go to "hear" him. ive taken several inventories of this and the conclusion seems to be the same with the people i know.

Could this just be a reflection of the younger generation's facination with the pop and image aspects of DJ culture as opposed to the art itself?

I hope not


I go to hear a DJ but seeing him is just as much of the experience in some cases.

Case in point; Dumonde. They jump around, point out specific people in the crowd and always have nothing but smiles and to me that kind of thing makes my night a considerable amount more enjoyable and gives me that extra boost of energy..

Same goes for Above and Beyond, nothing but energy, too bad they were in the birdcage though.


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-30-2005 01:45:

quote:
Originally posted by Chiclet
Hey Jay!

I think that if a DJ is good and innovative enough, seeing him/her is as important (if not more.... we've all been guilty of trainspotting) as hearing him/her.

Look at Turntablists and the occasional EDM DJ. You can get a lot of of just watching.

As for the pop image overtaking other aspects of DJing, well... hopefully people can see and hear well enough to tell the difference!

One of my all-time favourite EDM DJs to see is Adam Freeland, hands down.

ah but if you are going to watch their techniques such as scratching, mixing etc thats one thing. My beef is with the djs who do 8 beat mixes and stand there and pose the rest of the time. and people go to see that. the music becomes moot at that point.


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-30-2005 01:46:

Re: Re: To "see" a dj or to "hear" a dj?

proving my point above comes this post...... good timing! LOL


quote:
Originally posted by Blue.


Case in point; Dumonde. They jump around, point out specific people in the crowd and always have nothing but smiles and to me that kind of thing makes my night a considerable amount more enjoyable and gives me that extra boost of energy..



go to see what they do on the decks, not because they jump around like idiots.


Posted by smuncky on Sep-30-2005 01:47:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
My beef is with the djs who do 8 beat mixes and stand there and pose the rest of the time. and people go to see that. the music becomes moot at that point.



examples? i bet ull say tiesto, but other than him, who else?


Posted by Chiclet on Sep-30-2005 01:50:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
ah but if you are going to watch their techniques such as scratching, mixing etc thats one thing. My beef is with the djs who do 8 beat mixes and stand there and pose the rest of the time. and people go to see that. the music becomes moot at that point.


Yes, but in defense of amazing producer/DJs... many of them produce fantastic tracks, but can just barely beatmatch because producing is what they did first. Granted, they should work on it, but there is a lot of deserved leeway given to producers when it comes to their mixing skills.

Adam Freeland is both a brilliant DJ and producer!


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-30-2005 01:53:

quote:
Originally posted by smuncky
examples? i bet ull say tiesto, but other than him, who else?


tiesto, armin van buuren, ferry corsten, tygon, chiclet,oakenfold, as of late for starters.

ahahahahah just kidding tygon and chiclet!


the fans that go to see djs because they may wink at them or sign their chest is no different than the (mostly) female fans of hockey who go to a leaf game because "mats sundin is so hot"


Posted by Blue. on Sep-30-2005 01:53:

Re: Re: Re: To "see" a dj or to "hear" a dj?

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
proving my point above comes this post...... good timing! LOL




go to see what they do on the decks, not because they jump around like idiots.


I go to hear them spin, I consider their pumping up of the crowd as they "jump around like idiots" as bonus to me, to each their own.


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