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Good buildups = great trance (usually).
Ex: Fire & Ice - Out of Darkness
Agnelli & Nelson - El Nino
Two classics for ya...
the builds in Katana - Tribal Shock are huge!
also Plasticman - Spastik, this tune just builds and builds to nothing heh
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| Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I think one could make a full length ambient mix by mixing nothing but breakdowns of Planisphere tracks... |
Long 4 min breakdowns with no beats and gay female song about heaven and desire where people just wave their hands and looks fuckin confused are more irritanting than crappy buildups.
thats for sure
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| Originally posted by 8Wonders Utter and complete nonsense. |
Jedi Knights - May The Funk Be With You
There's a good track with a long buildup. Right around minute four the release finally comes. BREWDERDERDERRRDER. 'Tisn't buildups that are the problem, because music is all about tension and release. 'Tis long beatless breakdowns in Trance or any other kind of music that wasn't mean to have them.
That's the idea man. Trance isn't meant to appeal to the masses. For 8 years Trance has been a watered down version of itself, made to appeal to the masses by whatever it may be, breakdowns or other things. People as a whole don't appreciate subtlety and/or harshness in music. They require catchy lyrics and pretty jingle melodies. So that's what trance got, losing the subltety along the way and gaining overblown everything, including breakdowns. Now, with that in mind, eschewing the idea of "good" and "bad", at least old trance was actually trance, and not overblown pop music. Saying that it is better because of this is a very logical and reasonable thing to do. However, saying something is better because it "serves a purpose" or the equipment is "better" is stupid. Just because a lot of people like something doesn't mean it's good.
ok, so are u talking about long build ups as in how long the breakdown is, or how long it takes for the track to build up to climax?
cause if it is how long it takes for the track to build up this thread is plain stupid
i fail to see how long breakdowns in trance are a 'problem' when they've been part of the genre for over 8 years, and seen it go through strength to strength without any sign of falling yet. they've proven to appeal to the masses and i can't see them being phased out any time soon
and so long as long intense buildups have the desired effect on a crowd, they'll be around too, since that's pretty much the main reason they exist. i fail to see how they're 'stupid' for fulfilling a purpose.. but maybe that's just me
the best build-ups are ones where you don't realise it's a build-up, until it's almost built up.
then u realise you should be screaming ur face off.
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| Originally posted by basd Care to elaborate? |
um are you looking for all dutch trance
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| Originally posted by Soonmeister Randy katana - In Silence ( Twixarro remix ) amazing build up... makes me go loco everytime  |
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| Originally posted by Aiwendil Every trance track made since 1999. |
The stupidity of long build-ups?
Ruff Driverz pres. Arrola - Dreaming (Percussion Mix)
Enough Said.
pryda - aftermath
the track is about 13 mins long with a looonnnnngggg build up...its done pretty well, but still, i think the breakdown has to be over a minuete long 
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| Originally posted by Tranced17 More like every trance track made before 1999. |
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| Originally posted by dj_bas pryda - aftermath the track is about 13 mins long with a looonnnnngggg build up...its done pretty well, but still, i think the breakdown has to be over a minuete long |
Hey Cinos, definitely Randy Katana - In silence (Ron Van Den Beuken remix), the guy certainly wanted to make a 11 minutes track, this is a build up for a build up, nothing more.
See, a good build-up is like sex. With enough tension building and building, when it finally peaks out and hits in a rush of energy, the results can be quite intense. However, prolong it for too long, and you end up loosing interest in the climax ever hitting, sometimes to the point you have no energy left when it does.
I don't mind long breakdowns/builds, just when they are abused in DJ sets where every bloody song is like that, killing momentum every 7-10 minutes.
Project Magneta - Human Evolution (i think thats what its called)
LOL buildup to a buildup its like
Way out West - Killa
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| Originally posted by Sykonee See, a good build-up is like sex. With enough tension building and building, when it finally peaks out and hits in a rush of energy, the results can be quite intense. However, prolong it for too long, and you end up loosing interest in the climax ever hitting, sometimes to the point you have no energy left when it does. I don't mind long breakdowns/builds, just when they are abused in DJ sets where every bloody song is like that, killing momentum every 7-10 minutes. |
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| Originally posted by Sykonee See, a good build-up is like sex. With enough tension building and building, when it finally peaks out and hits in a rush of energy, the results can be quite intense. However, prolong it for too long, and you end up loosing interest in the climax ever hitting, sometimes to the point you have no energy left when it does. I don't mind long breakdowns/builds, just when they are abused in DJ sets where every bloody song is like that, killing momentum every 7-10 minutes. |
I'm a hundred times more pleased by a DJ who can actually provide a decent build-up in his set, instead of playing some track including some one-minute-long nonsense breakdown-buildup hands-in-the-air time-for-the-god-pose track after the other.
Besides that, all those breakdowns really spoil your trip.
The whole breakdown....snare roll, bombastic anthem paradigm always reminds me of that one dork you knew back in highschool who had no social skills and no one liked him.
Then one day, in the cafeteria or the halls or a classroom or something, he said something that was just fucking AWESOME. The timing, the poise, the manner in which he said that, either a zinger or a snappy comment, just floored everybody. It was brilliant. It was talked about in the school for several days afterward. It had become legend.
And he knew it. And it kind of became like his catchphrase, and he would use it again and again, every day, and every time he said it people would laugh, but each time a little less and less. But after awhile, it got kind of tiring of hearing him say it all the time, and again he went to being a lovable loser no one cared about, only far more pathetic because he wouldn't let go of his 15 minutes of fame, his sudden moment of glory that propelled him to the top of the school's social hierarchy.
Trance is like that guy. It stumbled upon this great novelty gimmick back in 97 that a lot of us said "This is awesome. I love it when the snare roll comes and everyone goes nuts when the Anthem hits. We need more tracks like this X-Cabs - Neuro."
And then in 98, we got our wish. EVERY track had this formula. Raped it to cartoonish extremes. Every song in every set of every DJ the same god damn thing. Drop the beat at the 96th bar, ambient wash for 16, rising anthem, snare roll, crescendo. Yeah, the stuff was that fucking predictable. And after a year of this we were like "okaaaay..that was fun the first three thousand times we heard it, but seriously you guys. Stop it. Stop it right now. This breakdown-anthem stuff is getting really fucking annoying. Let's get back to some regular trance now."
And yet it wouldn't stop. They kept churning out the schlock. Sure, all the punters and posers loved it, and it became this trendy thing for normal people to enjoy because it was just a funny rap and a choreographed dance routine away from being pop music, and probably because of that, trance became addicted to its own success, and didn't want to go back to being niche music. But it had nothing else going for it, so it didn't want to leave the comfort of this dominating formula. By 99, I had completely pulled myself away from attending any trance parties. The music was just too fucking awful.
I figured something so shallow and gimmicky could not possibly last. I'll just sit back and wait til the storm blows over, and come back to the scene when decent stuff starts coming out again. Six years later, I still remain, as ever, in voluntary exile. The only possible explanation for why these snare rolls and anthems are still around is the turnover rate. There are exceptions, but generally people who get into trance rarely stay longer than 9 months. So it's really the newbs who keep all this cheese alive.
Meanwhile, trance keeps clinging to its sordid past like some pathetic, washed up former athlete bragging about how many touchdowns he scored back in highschool (4 in one game!). The only thing more pathetic than that are the people who reminisce with it.
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