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Ummm... if Leiter were a starter all season, I'd be willing to bet that he and Lima would've had a dogfight for the title of "Worst Starter in Major Leauge History." Leiter is horrible, no matter how you slice it.

Thats why hes a reliever now. Utilize whatever is left in that arm, without putting the whole game on his head.

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Originally posted by Vlad Thats why hes a reliever now. Utilize whatever is left in that arm, without putting the whole game on his head.

No... he's a reliever now because... he sucks. And the Yankees have no lefty so they have to have someone fill up that slot.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 No... he's a reliever now because... he sucks. And the Yankees have no lefty so they have to have someone fill up that slot.

aka, milking whatever he has left.

As a reliever:

5.51 ERA, 16.1 IP, 21 Hits, 6 BBs, .303 BAA

Milking what now?

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Originally posted by Shamez214 As a reliever: 5.51 ERA, 16.1 IP, 21 Hits, 6 BBs, .303 BAA Milking what now?

Its not his fault it wasnt his day, give the guy a break, they put him in at the worst times.

But... you know that inherited runners don't count towards a pitchers ERA, right? So, if Jaret Wright loads the bases and then Leiter comes in and gives up a 3-run double, all 3 of those runs are charged to Wright. So, that 5.51 ERA is all Leiter and has nothing to do with coming in with runners on base.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 But... you know that inherited runners don't count towards a pitchers ERA, right? So, if Jaret Wright loads the bases and then Leiter comes in and gives up a 3-run double, all 3 of those runs are charged to Wright. So, that 5.51 ERA is all Leiter and has nothing to do with coming in with runners on base.

Tell me something... do you ever chill out and relax and not take everything so seriously? Lieter might have shitty stats, but I trust him alot more than the absolute abomination that the Yankees are accustomed to in the bullpen.

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Originally posted by Vlad Tell me something... do you ever chill out and relax and not take everything so seriously? Lieter might have shitty stats, but I trust him alot more than the absolute abomination that the Yankees are accustomed to in the bullpen.

he's just pointing out the facts

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Originally posted by verndogs he's just pointing out the facts

Fuck the stats, hes a veteran, and has pitched against the best of them - id rather have him in there than alot of people.

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Originally posted by Vlad Tell me something... do you ever chill out and relax and not take everything so seriously? Lieter might have shitty stats, but I trust him alot more than the absolute abomination that the Yankees are accustomed to in the bullpen.

Hah. I'm more laid back than anyone I've met. But, when someone says Al Leiter is good, my brain just goes into "What the fuckckckckck!?!?!" mode. I can't help it. After watching him for 2003 and 2004, and then seeing what he's done this year, how anyone can say he's even close to decent is beyond me. The Yankees would be better with someone from their minors, I'm sure. Wasn't that dude Sean Henn a lefty?

Yea hes a lefty, but... hes 0-3, 11.12 ERA, 11.1 IP, 18 H, 16 R, 14 ER... when he was promoted to the majors for a short time.

The other lefty they have in the minors is Matt Smith, his stats look pretty good - he might get called up next year.

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Originally posted by Vlad Yea hes a lefty, but... hes 0-3, 11.12 ERA, 11.1 IP, 18 H, 16 R, 14 ER... when he was promoted to the majors for a short time.

Stats look an awful like some other lefty I know... Oh wait...

And if that Smith kid is a lefty, why isn't he up? Great GMing job, Cashman. Not that he's tearing up AAA, but his periph's aren't TOO bad. Walks a lot, but not even close to as many as the Senator.

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Originally posted by Shamez214 Stats look an awful like some other lefty I know... Oh wait... And if that Smith kid is a lefty, why isn't he up? Great GMing job, Cashman. Not that he's tearing up AAA, but his periph's aren't TOO bad. Walks a lot, but not even close to as many as the Senator.

Although he gives up walks, hes got a consistent 3:1 SO:BB ratio, which is not bad. As for why they havent called him up... beats me, they called everyone else up.

Leiter is not built to be a good reliever. Most of the time, he has absolutely horrible control which is a necessity for the bullpen. Likewise, he's a lefty who doesn't have super success against lefties. Then we thrown in all those stats ... The only hope is that he "rises" to the occasion of the post-season because he really has before and is a sneaky veteran.

But I usually cover my eyes when he enters the game.

Hence, Al Leiter sucks.

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Originally posted by Vlad Fuck the stats, hes a veteran, and has pitched against the best of them - id rather have him in there than alot of people.

leiter shouldnt be on the postseason roster at this point i think embry is better

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Originally posted by TranceHater leiter shouldnt be on the postseason roster at this point i think embry is better

Well both of them are on the postseason roster, Embry took Jaret Wright's place. And I think both suck with equal aplomb.

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Originally posted by Member of X Well both of them are on the postseason roster, Embry took Jaret Wright's place. And I think both suck with equal aplomb.

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thats why we need 7 out of every starter the rest of the way, mo is going to have to pitch 2 like in the past if the yankees are going to win it again, especially this year

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Originally posted by TranceHater \ thats why we need 7 out of every starter the rest of the way, mo is going to have to pitch 2 like in the past if the yankees are going to win it again, especially this year

I think Moose is the only one of the starters that cant go 7, given that the other starters dont give up the game. Mo doesnt have to pitch 2... if the starter goes 7, you go to Small, Gordon than Mo. Depending on Jaret, he might be on the roster for the ALCS.

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Originally posted by pvd420 you know what...at this point does it matter how many runs the white sox score in this game...i hope they blew their load here and dont score at all the rest of the series...besides any team that can come back from down 0-3 to the yankees wont be scared by this loss...

too bad the LDS is only 5 games. lol

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Originally posted by Vlad Compared to what they used to have... they are Dennis Eckersley. Back in the day, Ramiro to Mariano was a lethal 1-2 punch of death, but not anymore.

by ramiro, u mean jeff nelson?

IF THE YANKS HAD ECK IN EARLY 90'S THEY MIGHT HAVE MASDE PLAYOFFS

And... even the Yankees can't ALWAYS have the best players at every positions. It's not like you can have BJ Ryan and Brad Lidge setting up Rivera.

I think it will be funny to see Yankee fans reactions when they have a normal closer in 3 years when Mariano can't go anymore. Should be interesting to listen to the radio...

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Originally posted by Shamez214 And... even the Yankees can't ALWAYS have the best players at every positions. It's not like you can have BJ Ryan and Brad Lidge setting up Rivera. I think it will be funny to see Yankee fans reactions when they have a normal closer in 3 years when Mariano can't go anymore. Should be interesting to listen to the radio...

Don't generalize Yankee fans all into one category. I respect Rivera as the greatest closer in the history, I don't see how I'd expect it to always be like that...

Contrary to your belief, there is a lot of smart Yankee fans.

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