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Originally posted by fastmp3 trance is dead and burried my friend.

Then i must have missed the funeral.

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Originally posted by TCB say what you want about pvd and tiesto but leave armin out of this!!!

What exactly makes him better than the other two?

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Originally posted by fastmp3 he should include his name in the list, and armin/ferry/tiest0r/etc's names too

thought u died

the ironic thing here is that this comes from the guy who thinks Andy Moor is the next big star in trance

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Originally posted by Ian^ the ironic thing here is that this comes from the guy who thinks Andy Moor is the next big star in trance

I've lost whatever respect I had for PVD after reading that.

I have to agree with PVD. And to be frank, PVD is no sellout. He makes tracks for love of the music & the dancefloor, much like the rest of us. He can't stop people from liking the infectious beats that he produces. Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo and their ilk make music for the radio, so a generation of 13-year-olds have something "fast" to dance to at the school dance. PVD has been and always will be at the forefront of dance. He has championed the trance nation for years and for us to turn on him like many of you are doing just ain't right. Trance is evolving, producers can't keep making the sound of Binary Finary's "1998", or Age Of Love's "Age Of Love" forever. It just so happens that vocal trance seems to be the vogue at the moment, you can't blame PVD for trying to take the tired subgenre that is vocal trance to a new place. He may not always succeed(egs. "Spellbound", "The Other Side", "Kaleidoscope"), but just think of the advances he has made to trance in general through his productions (egs. "For An Angel", "Another Way", "Seven Ways", "Connected"), and the list goes on and on. I didn't mean to offend anyone, but I think PVD is one of the most important people in trance today, if not ever.

how fucking old is that quote.. i saw it ages ago. + if im not mistaken only half of that was actually quoted from pvd, the rest looks like its been made up.

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Originally posted by Lyle I have to agree with PVD. And to be frank, PVD is no sellout. He makes tracks for love of the music & the dancefloor, much like the rest of us.....PVD has been and always will be at the forefront of dance. He has championed the trance nation for years and for us to turn on him like many of you are doing just ain't right....It just so happens that vocal trance seems to be the vogue at the moment, you can't blame PVD for trying to take the tired subgenre that is vocal trance to a new place.

Dude, you don't seriously believe that, do you?

Paul Van Dyk WAS once at the forefront of trance music, but sadly i think that this era is well and truly over. You just have to look at his most recent singles and his "Reflections" album to see that things have taken a turn for the worse.

We all know that Paul Van Dyk has made some brilliant productions in his time, and he certainly has the ability, but whether he now chooses to use that ability to make unique, innovative trance productions is another story.

Example

Deep Dish - Say Hello (Paul Van Dyk Remix). The original version of this remix that Paul has played in sets such as PVD Live @ 15 Jahre Maximal was actually very cool in my opinion. It utilised a tasty acid baseline and sounded very full and punchy. For some strange reason, the version that PVD released dropped the acid influences, and was noticeably different to the version he has played in sets. Overall, it sounds like a watered-down, appeal-to-the-masses version of the track with all the meat taken out of it. Many others on this forum have made comments about this change, and it is quite disappointing to see this happen.

I will let someone else carry on, because i have run out of things to say atm.

Seriously guys, you are going far. Too far. Some of the posters here dont like trance anymore and hate PVD now, but comparing Ian van dahl, Lasgo or Sammy with Paul Van Dyk is really exaggerated.

"Cheese" in the past seemed to be tunes with horrible vocals, non-sense lyrics or crap sounds. Today it seems that every track with success - or from one of the top djs -, vocal or not, good or bad produced is cheese. Someone would point out that last tunes from Paul includes these terms but seriously, even the worst of his productions is some worlds away from best Sammy track. And that�s the truth, and mofos that only want to make others laugh and look cool here could try to make something useful with their lives.

Tranceaddict is becoming a place very rare lately - oh, and that i registered last July doesnt mean i havent been reading this boards for years now - , it seems that people really enjoy bashing everyone that moves a finger in the trance scene. Dont want to generalize, there are still a lot of good people here but this starts to look very weird. Reviewing every Trance release as "crap" or saying it "suxx" and leaving good or "omg" comments in house-psy-progghouse-minimal-electro-underground releases gives you an "extra" status here.. and if you think the opposite you become a "stupid n00b", a "wanker", you get a nice "stfu" or faces like


Let me ask you a question guys. What would happened if Sammy starts to play the same music in his sets like Sasha, or Lawler, or Masyello, or Digweed, or Jhon00, or Angello, or Morillo, or Sander Kleinenberg .. And if he starts to produce the same style like Pole Folder, Chable, Tiga, Lucont, WOW.. would make these Djs & Artist become cheese? Yes? HA! Would like to see that.

Really guys, or we stop this bashing at time or we are going to arrive at a point where every artist or dj "suxx" and maybe - on topic - maybe we are a bit responisble of the actual music situation. Think it.

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Originally posted by toffy even the worst of his productions is some worlds away from best Sammy track

DJ Sammy - Sunrise > Paul van Dyk feat. Heppner - Wir sind Wir



in fact, almost every sammy, lasgo or ian van dahl track is way better than Wir sind Wir.

I dunno perhaps you guys are right. The way i rate DJs is how good the party is. In my opinion Paul Van Dyk blew the doors off of SummerStage on Aug 20 in NYC. When he dropped beats at the party the crowd went absolutely crazy. Ok, so maybe his CD's suck or whatever, but live, i would have to say its another story. Hearing a DJ on CD compared to live--theres really no comparrison.(imo)

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Originally posted by toffy and mofos that only want to make others laugh and look cool here could try to make something useful with their lives. Tranceaddict is becoming a place very rare lately - oh, and that i registered last July doesnt mean i havent been reading this boards for years now - , it seems that people really enjoy bashing everyone that moves a finger in the trance scene. Dont want to generalize, there are still a lot of good people here but this starts to look very weird. Reviewing every Trance release as "crap" or saying it "suxx" and leaving good or "omg" comments in house-psy-progghouse-minimal-electro-underground releases gives you an "extra" status here.. and if you think the opposite you become a "stupid n00b", a "wanker", you get a nice "stfu" or faces like

+10000000000

right said fred.

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Originally posted by toffy Seriously guys, you are going far. Too far. Some of the posters here dont like trance anymore and hate PVD now, but comparing Ian van dahl, Lasgo or Sammy with Paul Van Dyk is really exaggerated. "Cheese" in the past seemed to be tunes with horrible vocals, non-sense lyrics or crap sounds. Today it seems that every track with success - or from one of the top djs -, vocal or not, good or bad produced is cheese. Someone would point out that last tunes from Paul includes these terms but seriously, even the worst of his productions is some worlds away from best Sammy track. And that�s the truth, and mofos that only want to make others laugh and look cool here could try to make something useful with their lives. Tranceaddict is becoming a place very rare lately - oh, and that i registered last July doesnt mean i havent been reading this boards for years now - , it seems that people really enjoy bashing everyone that moves a finger in the trance scene. Dont want to generalize, there are still a lot of good people here but this starts to look very weird. Reviewing every Trance release as "crap" or saying it "suxx" and leaving good or "omg" comments in house-psy-progghouse-minimal-electro-underground releases gives you an "extra" status here.. and if you think the opposite you become a "stupid n00b", a "wanker", you get a nice "stfu" or faces like Let me ask you a question guys. What would happened if Sammy starts to play the same music in his sets like Sasha, or Lawler, or Masyello, or Digweed, or Jhon00, or Angello, or Morillo, or Sander Kleinenberg .. And if he starts to produce the same style like Pole Folder, Chable, Tiga, Lucont, WOW.. would make these Djs & Artist become cheese? Yes? HA! Would like to see that. Really guys, or we stop this bashing at time or we are going to arrive at a point where every artist or dj "suxx" and maybe - on topic - maybe we are a bit responisble of the actual music situation. Think it.

Or maybe people felt the need to resort to other flavours of EDM for their daily dose of quality, because overall trance was (and is) going down the shitter. At least that's how I feel.

Don't get me wrong, there's still quality out there, but you'll have to dig through tons of piss poor tunes that aren't worth the vinyl they're pressed on to discover a bit.

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Originally posted by basd Or maybe people felt the need to resort to other flavours of EDM for their daily dose of quality, because overall trance was (and is) going down the shitter. At least that's how I feel. Don't get me wrong, there's still quality out there, but you'll have to dig through tons of piss poor tunes that aren't worth the vinyl they're pressed on to discover a bit.

You know what...I agree...and im sure other will too. Its pretty much the same old bullshit these days. I think it will come back strong in a few years cuz once you hit rock bottom the only way out is to go up.

+1

I have only bought only 1 pvd album, and this was reflections! the albums, which were released before don't satisfy me. I don't understand how people could be so naive, judgeing a artist by a artist album they don't like. there are still other people, who do, and it's a fact, that artist albums are often experimental and artists try to work with other styles, which mustn't mean, that they produce cheese now. as I have said, I don't like pvds previous works, except of a few (for an engel etc) but I'm not so narrow-minded to think, that trance in the earlier days was shit.. trance evolve

[QUOTE]Originally posted by A.J.


Dude, you don't seriously believe that, do you?

Paul Van Dyk WAS once at the forefront of trance music, but sadly i think that this era is well and truly over. You just have to look at his most recent singles and his "Reflections" album to see that things have taken a turn for the worse.

We all know that Paul Van Dyk has made some brilliant productions in his time, and he certainly has the ability, but whether he now chooses to use that ability to make unique, innovative trance productions is another story.

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Actually I do seriously believe that! Paul Van Dyk's recent productions may not be his best ever, but it still has that unmistakable signature of class. Every artist hits a dry patch or artistic drought at sometime in their career, but that doesn't take them out of the game period. To go back on the point of past productions, his mix of "Love Stimulation" was the blueprint for the trance remix. "For An Angel" defined a genre for a generation of clubbers, and sent Cream Ibiza into raptures during his residency, long after it's official release. I could go on stating his accomplishments until my fingers are sore, but what it boils down to is that Paul is the leader of the trance nation (by however small margin over his contemparies). As Ruud Gullit once said, "Form is temporary, but class is eternal."

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Originally posted by Lyle Actually I do seriously believe that! Paul Van Dyk's recent productions may not be his best ever, but it still has that unmistakable signature of class. Every artist hits a dry patch or artistic drought at sometime in their career, but that doesn't take them out of the game period. To go back on the point of past productions, his mix of "Love Stimulation" was the blueprint for the trance remix. "For An Angel" defined a genre for a generation of clubbers, and sent Cream Ibiza into raptures during his residency, long after it's official release. I could go on stating his accomplishments until my fingers are sore, but what it boils down to is that Paul is the leader of the trance nation (by however small margin over his contemparies). As Ruud Gullit once said, "Form is temporary, but class is eternal."

yeah you talk about the past but we talk about the current PVD. He is not as amazing as you make him sound today. He lost his class, sorry to make any PVD fan sad. Though I still believe that he hopefully one day will return to do some proper trance.

Well, the way I've always seen it, to know where you're going, you have to know where you coming from. Some would say Kraftwerk are the electronic fathers and they'd be right, but the music we listen to now owes a great deal to Paul Van Dyk. I just think that everyone is being really fickle in their turning against him. I'll be the first one to tell you the likes of "Wir Sind Wir" or "The Other Side" among FEW others are, quite simply put, shit. But if you just judge him by his current form, that's being biased. Also, if you only judge by the past, that biased as well. If you consider his work as a whole (studio & live), Paul Van Dyk is a very good trance artist, much better than many of the candyfloss types you'll find on the Ministry Of Sound albums these days. Just give him his props. Much respect!

Let me put it simply:

I don't think his recent productions are very good, and they don't live up to the standards he set in the past.

I still think Paul is a great DJ and I love listening to his sets, but his production doesn't do much for me these days.

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I'll be the first one to tell you the likes of "Wir Sind Wir" or "The Other Side" among FEW others are, quite simply put, shit

Exactly what I am trying to say!

PVD has produced some legendary tracks and remixes in the past, which is why his most recent works are such a disappointment.

I still respect him for the great tracks that he has made, and I listen to his older tracks all the time, but I don't like his new stuff.

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[i][b]Let me ask you a question guys. What would happened if Sammy starts to play the same music in his sets like Sasha, or Lawler, or Masyello, or Digweed, or Jhon00, or Angello, or Morillo, or Sander Kleinenberg .. And if he starts to produce the same style like Pole Folder, Chable, Tiga, Lucont, WOW.. would make these Djs & Artist become cheese? Yes? HA! Would like to see that.

to be fair.. i have seen DJ Sammy live.. when in Magaluf, Majorca, in the club called "BCM" (quite famous) and to be totally honest, he was class... not even a sniff of cheese anywhere to be seen... and i would happily go and see him again... pitty about the tracks he produces though

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Originally posted by A.J. Exactly what I am trying to say! PVD has produced some legendary tracks and remixes in the past, which is why his most recent works are such a disappointment. I still respect him for the great tracks that he has made, and I listen to his older tracks all the time, but I don't like his new stuff.

I can respect that, man. Just hope he's planning his return to form soon!

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Originally posted by Reactic I have only bought only 1 pvd album, and this was reflections! the albums, which were released before don't satisfy me. I don't understand how people could be so naive, judgeing a artist by a artist album they don't like. there are still other people, who do, and it's a fact, that artist albums are often experimental and artists try to work with other styles, which mustn't mean, that they produce cheese now. as I have said, I don't like pvds previous works, except of a few (for an engel etc) but I'm not so narrow-minded to think, that trance in the earlier days was shit.. trance evolve

Out there and back for you.

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Originally posted by Lyle I have to agree with PVD. And to be frank, PVD is no sellout. He makes tracks for love of the music & the dancefloor, much like the rest of us. He can't stop people from liking the infectious beats that he produces. Ian Van Dahl, Lasgo and their ilk make music for the radio, so a generation of 13-year-olds have something "fast" to dance to at the school dance. PVD has been and always will be at the forefront of dance. He has championed the trance nation for years and for us to turn on him like many of you are doing just ain't right. Trance is evolving, producers can't keep making the sound of Binary Finary's "1998", or Age Of Love's "Age Of Love" forever. It just so happens that vocal trance seems to be the vogue at the moment, you can't blame PVD for trying to take the tired subgenre that is vocal trance to a new place. He may not always succeed(egs. "Spellbound", "The Other Side", "Kaleidoscope"), but just think of the advances he has made to trance in general through his productions (egs. "For An Angel", "Another Way", "Seven Ways", "Connected"), and the list goes on and on. I didn't mean to offend anyone, but I think PVD is one of the most important people in trance today, if not ever.

Don't be dense. Paul's foray into vocal trance is not "experimentation", it was simply formulaic record-moving material, which he has continued to push since 2003.

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Originally posted by toffy Tranceaddict is becoming a place very rare lately - oh, and that i registered last July doesnt mean i havent been reading this boards for years now - , it seems that people really enjoy bashing everyone that moves a finger in the trance scene. Dont want to generalize, there are still a lot of good people here but this starts to look very weird. Reviewing every Trance release as "crap" or saying it "suxx" and leaving good or "omg" comments in house-psy-progghouse-minimal-electro-underground releases gives you an "extra" status here.. and if you think the opposite you become a "stupid n00b", a "wanker", you get a nice "stfu" or faces like

That's because most trance today is crap, and the other genres you mention are actually pushing good production.

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Let me ask you a question guys. What would happened if Sammy starts to play the same music in his sets like Sasha, or Lawler, or Masyello, or Digweed, or Jhon00, or Angello, or Morillo, or Sander Kleinenberg .. And if he starts to produce the same style like Pole Folder, Chable, Tiga, Lucont, WOW.. would make these Djs & Artist become cheese? Yes? HA! Would like to see that.

Paul moved into the pop-vocal camp, not eurotrance artists into his, so your example is really pointless. If ATB starting pumping out innovative electo-house (I'm not holding my breath), you better believe it would see regular rotation from the progressive elite.

No one is disputing that Paul was one of the most important trance producers and DJs in the nineties. But past accomplishments only go so far in excusing a cheap and commercial direction. Paul van Dyk fans, of which I would call myself one, have given him a pass for over two years because of his reputation and past accomplishments. Time's up. This nonsense has gone on long enough.

fckin nice and reasonable reply Cobalt.

Sounds like he`s just jealous of IvD and Lasgo`s success. Peter Luts and the other memebers of those projects (along with everyone else in the Belgian dance scene) work their ASSES off, just as much as PvD and all those prog pricks. They deserve respect just like everyone else, regardless if there are some little teenyboppers that like them, I`m sure you can find a teenybopper that likes PvD as well.

Who gives a fuck what is `cheese` or not ? I`m a huge fan of Belgian dance/trance and Florida breaks, two of the `cheesiest` genres out there. They`re my all time favorite genres, I`ve followed Florida breaks since 2000 and Belgian dance/trance since 2002. Although their tracks might be suited for the radio, why does that make them so awful and how does that make them KILL trance ? Trance shouldn`t just be one exact sound, there SHOULD be a huge amount of different variations. Otherwise it`d be too fucking boring and every track would sound very alike to each other.

If anything, I can think of some trance these days that is WAY more cheesy and commercial than what`s coming out from those in the Belgian dance scene (Sylver, Lasgo, IvD, Milk Inc., Jessy, etc.). And that`s shit like Gabriel & Dresden and all their little side projects, such as Andain and Motorcycle. But PvD doesn`t say anything about that now does he ?! Andain are basically radio-friendly, depressing pop songs with a prog trance beat thrown on top of them.

Everyone always blames IvD, Lasgo, Sylver, etc., but they`re the same people that never give them a chance. Maybe if people actually bought their albums and even just read their websites to see how much hard work they put into their projects, they would think differently.

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