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Originally posted by WingDing yet?

i was gonna say didn't trance start underground then moved to mianstream?

well back in 1996 (all kicked of with robert miles and faithless) trance was never seen out of the uk charts until around 2003 and now its like a couple of tracks a year, whereas 96-2003, gouryella, way out west, veracocha, tiesto, armin, rank 1, dutchforce, underworld, the thrillseekers, darude... where in the charts all the time.. so yeah id say its gone more underground now..

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Originally posted by Project 7 well back in 1996 (all kicked of with robert miles and faithless) trance was never seen out of the uk charts until around 2003 and now its like a couple of tracks a year, whereas 96-2003, gouryella, way out west, veracocha, tiesto, armin, rank 1, dutchforce, underworld, the thrillseekers, darude... where in the charts all the time.. so yeah id say its gone more underground now..

I agree, i made this thread cus i remember than other thread about 99 trance, so i remember there was a good post talking about it...

it says most radios was playing trance, everybody was waiting for the weekend to go to trance parties and clubs...
djs was so famous earning so much money like oakie and judge jules, pete tong program at bbc radio was the pratically the most heard cus it was about trance...
there was lots of ministry of sounds trance compilations, and the "guides"...
well...
with all this comments i was thinking trance was not underground music at all, but like somebody posted earlier, there are a part of trance in popular music, and there are the underground part too...
well... i confess i stay a bit confused thinking about trance... maybe i need to listen to some cool album now... heheh...

It's all relitive about where you live. What's considered pop music in India may have an underground following in America. Trance is just a bit more difficult to break down because it's cross cultural.

Also, how commercial' something sounds plays even more into the equation. While LFO hasn't sold as many records as slipknot, I'ld still say slipknot is more 'underground' than them because LFO is highly commercial.

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However, as far as in the mid-atlantic goes, I'ld consider it underground. If you go to baltimore and ask 10 random people on the street if they ever heard of tiesto, no one would know who the hell you were talking about.

also, if people here do like a trance song, it's not usually because of the 'trance' qualities of it...

im always like "yeah i listen to trance music!"
but most people dont know what im talking about
and if they do they ask me if do E

its nice to find someone who is as passionate about it as i am, especailly if its a hot female

hoenstly tho... id say that jungle, trance, hardcore/gabber.. tribal r all underground... out of hundreds of ppl i talk to in a day vary vary vary few even know what the hell jungle and DnB r, most dont even know the difrence between techno and trance... or even breaks r.... so im on the its always been and still is undergrund argument

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Originally posted by KaTaKaLyZmyK and no one in there right mind would wanna go to that thug infested dirt hole just to hear some good djs...

Don't you mean cracked-out-Asian-infested? In any case, it's still worth it in the end.

On topic (from a GTA perspective):

I'd say Trance is still underground. Mainstream society has no idea what Trance is. Others have heard the word, but still don't know what Trance is. Other people have heard Tiesto, but still don't know what Trance is.

It all depends on your definition of 'underground'. If you think underground is something that doesn't appeal to the masses, then Trance definitely fits the profile. If you think Underground music is music that is original and experimentational, then Trance isn't so underground after all.

As far as the 'all parties here are Trance, hence Trance is mainstream' argument: First, remember that you are part of the Trance 'scene', so obviously to you, it's gonna seem like all the parties are Trance, since the parties you go to are all Trance. I know there's a shitload of clubs in the GTA that only play Hip-Hop and RNB, and sometimes the odd House track here and there. If you took a survey of all the clubs in your city and what music is being spun in those clubs, I very much doubt that Trance would be the most popular one. Which brings us to my next point: Trance is dance music. I don't see how one can dance to Rock or Pop, so obviously the stuff being played in clubs is much more likely to be something Trance-y (and hence something danceable). That doesn't make Trance more mainstream than Rock.

Lastly, just because a few Trance tracks have made it to the top-40 charts doesn't make the whole genre mainstream. As with almost every music genre (I'm really wondering if Gangsta Rap has an underground scene, and if it does, does it consist only of the rappers who haven't hit it big just yet?), it has it's commercial parts, and it has it's underground parts. Trance has grown too big of a scene to be painted by just one brush - underground or mainstream. Yes, Tiesto can be considered mainstream, but Tiesto doesn't embody the whole Trance genre.

But in general, Trance is still underground. So all of you can stop worrying and continue listening to Trance purely because it's underground.

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Originally posted by Cosmic Fur Don't you mean cracked-out-Asian-infested? In any case, it's still worth it in the end.

you got something against asians?

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Originally posted by Erotic Buddha you got something against asians?

Did I say Asians? No, I said cracked-out-Asians. I specified on purpose. And if you are a cracked-out-Asian, and you're offended, then yes, I do have something against you.

alot also depends on where you live...

Real Proper trance is by no means popular music here in toronto...
the music and the community that supports it sort of fall into a subculture category...

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Originally posted by dinoXpress didnt u post on saying how much you loved armin?! Armin (not equals) underground

nahh... disagree... it's still underground.....

it's stuff like Skitz Mix, Gatecrasher etc. THat's made by artists like DJ DEAN etc. that's commercial.

thank god none of these assholes make it into the top 250 mix.

jesus.. i'd hang myself

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Originally posted by Abhay nahh... disagree... it's still underground..... it's stuff like Skitz Mix, Gatecrasher etc. THat's made by artists like DJ DEAN etc. that's commercial. thank god none of these assholes make it into the top 250 mix. jesus.. i'd hang myself

How is Gatecrasher any more commercial than Armin? The guy gave away tickets for his show with a double pack of batteries. I don't think it'll get much more commercial than that.

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Originally posted by basd How is Gatecrasher any more commercial than Armin? The guy gave away tickets for his show with a double pack of batteries. I don't think it'll get much more commercial than that.

no, i mean the stupid freaking CDs u can buy in Australia... available at car service stations etc.

u just pick it up, and listen to it. Great if u know nothing about the scene. Then after a while, u get sick of the same crap , and stop listening to trance.

Just like Skitz Mix, etc. etc.

I'm refering to commercial/underground styles of music. Usually, u listen to a commercial track, u can tell straight away, it's commercial...

*vomit*

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Originally posted by eye_03 and if they do they ask me if do E

LOL. So true! Last I met some girl who is totally into classic music and jazz and all. She even teaches this genres to others so her knowledge of EDM was close to 'nothing'. I then told her that I regularly visit raves and that I am completely into trance and such. But when she asked if I do drugs and I told her no, she completely fell out of the sky

Prejudice *sigh*

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Originally posted by RapidFire maybe if you'd said gino beats or techno theyd get it...

Gino beats....LMAO Fuckin Hysterical yet so true.

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Originally posted by thony_54 Trance music and music in general will always contain part commercial and part underground... and by definition, commercial part sucks, and underground rocks. In my opinion, you can't really know if trance is more commercial or more underground : both parts will always exist.

I highly disagree. "Underground" and "Popular" are just statuses given to music in their current state. If a track blows up because the general public loves it, dj's play out the song, and a major label backs it up then it would be considered popular on a massive scale. But let's say this particular artist XYZ did not submit the track to a label or a dj to play out in his/her sets. Instead he/she decided to play out the song themselves in a club. The same track is still well received but on a smaller level, in other words -underground.

There is no way in hell that trance is "underground" anymore. Underground implies that it is unknown and inaccessible, which it certainly is not.

The internet has changed the music scene forever, and it means that anyone with an internet connection can download and listen to trance music, whether they live in Amsterdam or Vladivostok.

There are definitely certain artists and sub-genres that are lesser known (such as psytrance), but it isn't underground.

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Originally posted by A.J. There is no way in hell that trance is "underground" anymore. Underground implies that it is unknown and inaccessible, which it certainly is not. The internet has changed the music scene forever, and it means that anyone with an internet connection can download and listen to trance music, whether they live in Amsterdam or Vladivostok. There are definitely certain artists and sub-genres that are lesser known (such as psytrance), but it isn't underground.

So since Internet made everything accessible, and underground music has to be inacessible, there's no more underground music of any kind, at all?

No, no, no.

I'm not saying there is no underground music, I'm just saying that trance is not underground - at least the uplifting / melodic trance played by PVD, Ferry, Tiesto etc isn't.

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Originally posted by eye_03 im always like "yeah i listen to trance music!" but most people dont know what im talking about and if they do they ask me if do E

"Why, yes I do. In fact, I'm on E as we speak, right here in the middle of this sidewalk in the bright sunshine. That's why I'm wearing sunglasses. Wanna cuddle while grabbing a cup of coffee?"

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Originally posted by Sykonee "Why, yes I do. In fact, I'm on E as we speak, right here in the middle of this sidewalk in the bright sunshine. That's why I'm wearing sunglasses. Wanna cuddle while grabbing a cup of coffee?"

Sorry, don't need the E.

I think it all depends on the people you ask and the area you live in. For example, here in NYC you have alot of world famous clubs and such but alot of people still hear trance or house or any other form of electronic music and says "damn, i hate that techno bullshit". I was sitting in class the other day listening to my friends mp3 player before our prof came in and pole folder was playing and the girl next to me was like oh you guys like techo and stuff? I'm like yeah but this isn't techno, she's like really?! what is it?? i wasn't really suprised or anything but that shows that to alot of people this is as remote as jazz or something.

also, in alot of people who hit up clubs around here don't know shit about the music but just go to get drunk and dance and try to get girls. they never say something like "omfg i've always wanted to hear this song in a club with a kick ass sound system". y'know what I mean?

So it could be said that trance or EDM is more appealing to people nowdays but it doesn't mean they know shit about it.

Kinda like Rap, alot of people like the radio shit but if you ask them who De La Soul were they'd say " De La Soul, is that some 70's soul group?"

Trance was the European POP music once upon a time.
Since Europe can not produce such big POP hits as USA, they just take anything related to dance music and abuse it on the radio and TV till you cant take it anymore. Thats European POP music for me once it happens.
I dont know if that ended tho'... i am not up with the updates.

i cant believe people in this thread

commercial = something that is made to appeal to the masses to make loads of money

commercial = trance
simple ur stupid if think trance isnt commercial

Commercial product; a product that is made or released to make money.

in alot of contexts people use commercial when they mean mainstream.

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