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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced I have seen many bouncers let people in with weapons....if you know the right people you can get in with anything. I saw some Asian with a piece at Guv the one time

That's pretty scary, but sadly believable. It really is all about money and who you know.

I was at Metro on Friday, thank god. Maybe that property is cursed... (G-spot, anyone?)

Re: Another shooting in club district

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Originally posted by tatgirl RE: Metal detectors: I dunno why people are so against them here. They should be at every night club, esp. if there's hip hop.

Understatement of the year

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Originally posted by TheVrk Understatement of the year

We had them at all the big clubs growing up in DC. (ironically, most new DC clubs now aren't putting them in, not even at ones located in dodgy neighborhoods w/plenty of hip hop in the other rooms that the EDM isn't being played in. I guess they're willing to take the risk...)
Everyone here was so *shocked* when Boa put one in.

I say bring em back.

That's why when Kirk Sweeney RIP (my really good high school friends bf) was shot to death in Dec 2003 at the G spot (presently METRO) the damn club should have just shut down completely hahaha i remmeber driving on Richmond on Sunday passing Metro and looking at the crowd my exact words to Ali "it'll be funny if someone gets shot again in there and they have to shut it down and call it something else"

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Originally posted by Dancing*Queen Really?? It's pretty scary to think they would allow certain people in with a weapon...I would like to think they wouldn't let someone in with a piece just because they know him/her

I walk into clubs with my 'piece' all the time Yeah that's right. I said it.

And just for everyone who wasn't sure, I meant my penis.

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Originally posted by djbruuen we walked pasted the caution tape on the way to my car and i was not the slightest bit surprised at all...

u mean spyder went to metro on sunday?

LOL

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced So would I....but let's face it....it happens all the time...if it's not weapons....it's drugs. I guarantee that Guv, System have house dealers that they let into the club....the bouncers are making a pretty penny off of them

thats a pretty serious allegation to be making on a public website. And considering that people from those places probably read this board id reconsider who gets accused of what.

Guns in a club are getting really rediculous.
If Metro had a metal detector then there is no way that a gun would have gotten in unless it was allowed in.
>>>You can't turn away from this reality or contradict this assumption<<<

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Originally posted by Jayx1 thats a pretty serious allegation to be making on a public website. And considering that people from those places probably read this board id reconsider who gets accused of what.

Jay I don't think he said anything that we don't already suspect. And ChemEnhanced is entitled to his opinion.
I for one am thankful that most security bouncers are good or care about what they do. But I am also not blinding myself to the ones that cross the line and think bouncing gives them the right to act like a cop or act too aggressively.
Some bouncers have a bad attitude to begin with and have established a bad reputation because of their own actions and ego's.
Sadly I have to admit that I know ppl who have been searched out and extorted of all their money by a Bouncer at a big event here in TORONTO...and I think it's shameful and disgusting.

So I say...we are all entitled to our opinions about bouncers who cross the line.
Now what annoys me more is that no matter what any of us may think or say, we are all sadly pooled in together with the same hip hop club crowd. So until something is done to ensure that guns don't get in...we are the ones that will pay the price. Now knowing this...can you really stand there Jay and defend the bouncers every time?
I think you should reconsider your statement!!

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Originally posted by Jayx1 thats a pretty serious allegation to be making on a public website. And considering that people from those places probably read this board id reconsider who gets accused of what.

I didn't see him NAME any bouncers, or visually describe who he's talking about, so why are your panties in a bunch? I know who some of the regular dealers are in there, and I see them getting waved thru security without any search at all. You can't honestly say that someone can't bring in a weapon under these circumstances. And that doesn't apply just to the Guv- this can apply to any club.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 thats a pretty serious allegation to be making on a public website. And considering that people from those places probably read this board id reconsider who gets accused of what.

mr. freeedom of speech jayx1??? whats going on here

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Originally posted by Dancing*Queen Really?? It's pretty scary to think they would allow certain people in with a weapon...I would like to think they wouldn't let someone in with a piece just because they know him/her

I believe i've told the Alexander Keith's birthday story in here before, where a crew of promoters and thugs were there, ALL packing.

Because it was a general public, weekday event, it was fairly lax security, but there was a huge arguement, and gunfire was heard in the parkinglot later on.

Maybe living in hickville ain't so bad afterall......

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Originally posted by Jayx1 thats a pretty serious allegation to be making on a public website. And considering that people from those places probably read this board id reconsider who gets accused of what.

Am I allowed to say that some cops are corrupt?

His suspicion is valid, and I for one have the same one, especially after seeing the bouncers making all sorts of deals on the side at coatcheck. Not the same thing, true, but not a long shot either.

interesting... metro also happens to be the old G-Spot.. which lost it's liqour licence after someone was shot and killed in the club.

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Originally posted by chanoa mr. freeedom of speech jayx1??? whats going on here

I don't think anybody's going to get sued, but without proof, what he said is technically libel. He named specific establishments and claimed that they have a policy of making backroom deals with drug pushers.

I think any reasonably intelligent person should be able to see the difference between expressing an opinion and publicly accusing a person or business of committing criminal acts.

Not that I honestly care about the issue in question but come on... you not only swung below the belt but you missed.

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Originally posted by DigiNut I don't think anybody's going to get sued, but without proof, what he said is technically libel. He named specific establishments and claimed that they have a policy of making backroom deals with drug pushers. I think any reasonably intelligent person should be able to see the difference between expressing an opinion and publicly accusing a person or business of committing criminal acts. Not that I honestly care about the issue in question but come on... you not only swung below the belt but you missed.

exactly..

freedom of speech does not include libel/slander.

allegations should always be backed up by proof.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 freedom of speech does not include libel/slander.

But why is it that ANY time someone here has something to say about the Guv bouncers/ shady goings-on/ unsafe practices/ etc... it's ALWAYS 'libel/ slander' in your eyes? I didn't see you running to defend the bouncers accused of sexually assaulting the girl at the CoZo- just because she had a police report doesn't make these other people's experiences any less true than her accusation. Are you calling these people 'liars' for voicing their experiences and concerns? Sounds like another 'libel' case in the making....

This is all pretty scary. I have been generally avoiding the hip-hop scene now for some time, mostly due to the fact that I don't like the music, but this brings a whole new light to the situation.

I generally go to the guv for the music and to have a good time, however the allegations made (ppl walking in without being searched etc) are really scary. They are enough to me to rethink going to the guv, or at least next time I do, be worried and paranoid about this kind of stuff.

Drugs are one thing, cause it's a person's choice to endanger themselves by taking them, however introducing guns puts everyone at risk. Low light, loud music, intoxication, and guns create an environment that does not belong anywhere, especially a club where people go to relax, have fun, and meet people.

I think that metal detectors should be mandatory at all clubs (i.e. tonic) as they will help protect the safety of the club�s patrons and the clubs owners as in the event that something does go wrong, it will be quite clear who�s to blame.

Here�s to metal detectors and responsible owners like whoever owns tonic.

sean paul

i was there , but i left earlier than all of these shootings. hes a really good artist

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Originally posted by DigiNut I don't think anybody's going to get sued, but without proof, what he said is technically libel. He named specific establishments and claimed that they have a policy of making backroom deals with drug pushers. I think any reasonably intelligent person should be able to see the difference between expressing an opinion and publicly accusing a person or business of committing criminal acts. Not that I honestly care about the issue in question but come on... you not only swung below the belt but you missed.

In order for it to be technically called libel what was said would have to be a defamatory statement which damages the reputation of the business/individual. Besides, there would also have to be a financial/economic loss to the business because of the statement.

Just heard on the radio yesterday there were like a total of 7 shootings this past weekend. Man, wtf is happening to this city.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 exactly.. freedom of speech does not include libel/slander. allegations should always be backed up by proof.

Please to note, it is only libelous or slanderous if one can prove that they have suffered damages due to the alleged libelous or slanderous statement.

edit --- shit, chemy beat me to it

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Please to note, it is only libelous or slanderous if one can prove that they have suffered damages due to the alleged libelous or slanderous statement. edit --- shit, chemy beat me to it

your not the only one who works in insurance

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Originally posted by tatgirl But why is it that ANY time someone here has something to say about the Guv bouncers/ shady goings-on/ unsafe practices/ etc... it's ALWAYS 'libel/ slander' in your eyes? I didn't see you running to defend the bouncers accused of sexually assaulting the girl at the CoZo- just because she had a police report doesn't make these other people's experiences any less true than her accusation. Are you calling these people 'liars' for voicing their experiences and concerns? Sounds like another 'libel' case in the making....

a police report validates the reporting of what then becomes news. If someone is a suspect after a police report is filed it means that you are pretty much safe to talk about it in a public forum. Even then you have to be careful but it would doubtfully ever come to court since there was police action behind it. If the guy has been charged, obviously the police have enough evidence to charge them.

However, making allegations based on assumption or hearsay is an entirely different matter. And everytime i hear allegations against guv or system employees in tranceaddict its always based on assumptions and hearsay. This is what consitutes libel or slander in the eyes of the law.

People need to remember that this is a public forum and that the laws of the land do apply.

I happen to agree with the libel/slander laws. I dont happen to agree with media bans and gag orders.

However either way we still have to comply with both laws on this board.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced In order for it to be technically called libel what was said would have to be a defamatory statement which damages the reputation of the business/individual. Besides, there would also have to be a financial/economic loss to the business because of the statement.

it wouldnt be hard to prove that making allegations on a dance music public message board about a dance music playing establishment is detrimental to a reputation and costing money.

Its a no brainer.

At Chemenhanced libel trial:

Judge, i present to you exhibit A as proof of damages to reputation and/or loss of income:

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Originally posted by simms327 I generally go to the guv for the music and to have a good time, however the allegations made (ppl walking in without being searched etc) are really scary. They are enough to me to rethink going to the guv, or at least next time I do, be worried and paranoid about this kind of stuff.

LOL

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