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i was just asking for some evidence pertaining to these reforms and you have provided them, so thank you. i wasnt leaning one way or the other, i just wanted some facts, instead of those government advertisements..

and as far as the legalisation things goes, the currently legal substances cause much greater harm, which is a great omen for the argument of switching.

^^ im not saying that IR doesnt need reforming, but this tips the balance so far in favour of business i think its disgusting. as jono4l said, its moving us down the US route where we\'ll be increasing the numbers of working poor. the US hasnt had a minimum wage increase since 1997. im not totally sure, but those under AWAs arent going to get the benefits of minimum wage increase (this is an assumption, i dont know for sure, wheres renegade?). so how does a person on a \"bargained\" award keep up with things like inflation etc?

as far as im concerned the main issue of drug reform is what does criminalisation achieve? it makes drugs more expensive, benefitting those that are flouting the law to begin with, and pushes crime rates higher.

i am highly suspect of the argument that decriminalising narcotics would lead to a higher rate of use. it would be negligable at best imo. i dont see massive problems in the ACT where pot has been decriminalised. but even if it did increase their use, i still argue that many of the negative impacts associated with drug use is closely tied in with their illegal status.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the currently legal substances cause far more grief and damage than narcotics ever will, regardless of legalities.

here is an interesting article on prescription drugs. Read whats in red, eg: "Street drugs kill only 10% as many people every year, as legal, prescription drugs (6-times more than those Americans killed in the Vietnam War)."

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Originally posted by narcism the health systems is at crisis point perhaps?

This is a moot point. The public has no idea how fucked up the health system is at the moment, it's literally falling apart, yet upper management are trying to fabricate it's current state to the public :/

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Originally posted by tathi here is an interesting article on prescription drugs. Read whats in red, eg: \"Street drugs kill only 10% as many people every year, as legal, prescription drugs (6-times more than those Americans killed in the Vietnam War).\"

im not quite sure what your point is tathi.
are you saying decriminalising street drugs would put it on a similar platform as prescription medication?? what i would guarantee however was if you moved the responsibility of prescription medication from pharmaceutical companies and legislative bodies to backyard cook-houses that those stats would be far far worse.

not at all; i was just pointing out that there are legalised drugs that are far more dangerous that some street drugs

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what i would guarantee however was if you moved the responsibility of prescription medication from pharmaceutical companies and legislative bodies to backyard cook-houses that those stats would be far far worse.

agree.

oh and i skipped the point of the thread: do you think John Howard has done a good job? No, not at all.

Reasons:
- The casus belli for war in Iraq was a lie, the unilateral annexation of Iraq is illegal under international law
- Human rights abuses under the Howard government, our inhumane treatment of refugee's has drawn censure from all around the world, my dad has worked in a detention centre, not pretty!
- At times Howard is very loose with the truth, especially around election time..
- the health system is about to die in the ass

i don't know much about IR though

But i'm very disillusioned with labor also :/

lets not forget how well treated the aboringinal people are...

live like kings they do.

good points tathi & jpl. who knew that there was a soft lefty inside jpl? good to have you aboard

i come from a family of school teahcers - ive got commie blood lol

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN good points tathi & jpl. who knew that there was a soft lefty inside jpl? good to have you aboard

i think its because he used to date an aboriginal

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Originally posted by tathi This is a moot point. The public has no idea how fucked up the health system is at the moment, it's literally falling apart, yet upper management are trying to fabricate it's current state to the public :/

But lets all talk about the important subject of illegal drugs

^^ only because i know more in that area, why don't you fill us in on whats happening in public health Narcism

(i only just realised your name is Narcism not narcisism )

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Originally posted by narcism But lets all talk about the important subject of illegal drugs

well, unlike so many ppl i prefer to have a small amount of knowledge on something before i talk about it

will you be riding that high horse in the cup on tuesday?

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Originally posted by Dean Millson will you be riding that high horse in the cup on tuesday?

fvckin aye. and ill stand up in the stirrups (sp?) as i ride past to get a better view of you as i aim my urine.

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Originally posted by Tathi only because i know more in that area, why don't you fill us in on whats happening in public health Narcism

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i prefer to have a small amount of knowledge on something before i talk about it

pkc & tathi rock

well he has crawled up mr george bush's ass just nicely

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN fvckin aye. and ill stand up in the stirrups (sp?) as i ride past to get a better view of you as i aim my urine.

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Originally posted by Dean Millson

HAHA, i thought it was pretty self-explanatory

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN well, unlike so many ppl i prefer to have a small amount of knowledge on something before i talk about it

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN and ill stand up in the stirrups (sp?) as i ride past to get a better view of you as i aim my urine.

Hahaha. Very

the fvcking internet sucks. i have NO idea what youre saying

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Originally posted by 00soups00 i think its because he used to date an aboriginal

yeah many happy memories...i used to love that fro, then she went and got her hair chemically straightened and it was never the same

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Originally posted by Light The Fuse yeah many happy memories...i used to love that fro, then she went and got her hair chemically straightened and it was never the same

that dirty bitch

but you know it comes back after a few months, you should've given her time!!

If only Labor could come with a leader with some spine, they would already be in government by now. Unfortunately, there really doesn't seem to be a strong alternative to Howard at the moment, and voters are inclined to support a leader that they know and trust (i have no idea why anyone would trust him )

Lets be honest though, a large proportion of Australian voters are not well versed on different policies, and are strongly influenced by government rhetoric and the media. If little Johnny tells them that the economy is great shape and they will be better off under a Liberal government, a large proportion of people will snap that up and vote accordingly because they only seem to vote with their back pocket in mind. However, as many people have already said, at what cost?. Fundamental rights and privilidges that previous generations fought so hard to obtain are being stripped away from us.




The Good

• Strong leadership, especially during times of crisis like 9/11, Bali Bombings, the Boxing Day Tsunami etc
  
• Built strong relationships with many international leaders
  
• GST, despite the promises to "never, ever" implement it
  
• Economic performance
  
  

• Workplace reform
  
• Higher Education
  
• Refugee policy & associated human rights violations
  
• Sale of Telstra
  
• Children Overboard
  
• Iraq & War on Terror - only an idiot would deny that this has not made us a bigger target
  
• New Terrorism laws - very, very scary stuff]
  
• Repeated lies to the population and backflips on policy
  
• The environment - refusal to sign the Kyoto protocol and continuing high emissions are a disgrace
  
  
  

I think a lot on here don't have a mortgage nor worry about rising interest rates. When/If you do, you will agree that you see this all on a very different level.

When you have to always consider that rates are always on the rise, with inflation creeping slowly (hence the rising interest rate) and out of control petrol prices with no sign of slowing or any relief (which clearly there can be) it's difficult to find one nice thing to say about our so called "democratic" John Howard government.

the negatives of his leadership ability far outway the positives. Effective leadership usually tries to balance the tide. He has not done that whatsoever focusing too heavily on the economy and missing out on other important matters such as workplace, health, education, family etc.

good and well to be a debt free nation but what has that ever done for you personally?

Nothing....just as I thought.

My belief is simple....he's a wanker. and so is his right hand man...that little cunning prick. We're doomed if he were to ever take over the top job. Australia will be run like a Telstra.

Peace out!

ok where would u like me to start on the health system

* spending on health care will continue growing rapidly because an ageing population
* shortages in various/majority of medical specialties
* health system is so increasingly reliant on overseas-trained doctors that they now account for a quarter of all our medical practitioners.
* Hospital waiting lists are up to 6 years for elective surgery
* Bed shortages
* Not to mention emergency room exceeding waiting times to be seen by a doctor.
* limited resources
* Hospitals in victoria go on bypass every few weeks, meaning ambulances are turned away from emergency rooms.
* figures reveal that there were 3000 HEWS instances in the last financial year, which were not officially reported. This is almost three times greater than the 1073 occasions of reported ambulance bypass in that same period.
quoted from here
* Lack of nursing home beds, which means elderly people are clogging up the system being in hospital for long periods of time.
* killed bulk billing
* The prime objective is about saving money, ive often seen serious cutting corners.

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Originally posted by narcism * Lack of nursing home beds, which means elderly people are clogging up the system being in hospital for long periods of time.

if you have the capital to set up a nursing home, you can make millions (from the government mainly)
friends uncle owns four of em so when his son turned 18, who got a million dollars?

/edit oh yeah, it really does pain me to see our health care system going down the drain, i mean, who wants to be healthy?

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