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Originally posted by DJ Kernkraft400 seems like there are we only 3 people interested in this would you PM the conversation to me?

basically we agreed to disagree, and then started to talk about how the french eat horses, which i find fascinating.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle ok fair point, but as i sequenced it in 6/8, the rest of the track would be in 6/8 to. and as there is nothing but the percussion to base the time signature on, thats all u can base it on.

there is not such thing as a "definition" what is 6/8 or 4/4... music could actually exist without these measures, but it would be much more harder to compose and play... my personal defining tool for measures (which is also the best i have) is my brain, and when i listen to your sample, it tells me 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4... and not 1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6 (double tempo)... edit: at least when there is the kick

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Originally posted by DJ Kernkraft400 there is not such thing as a "definition" what is 6/8 or 4/4... music could actually exist without these measures, but it would be much more harder to compose and play... my personal defining tool for measures (which is also the best i have) is my brain, and when i listen to your sample, it tells me 1,2,3,4,1,2,3,4... and not 1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6 (double tempo)...

good point, at the end of the day it depends where u put the line between maths and perception, lets agree to disagree

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle good point, at the end of the day it depends where u put the line between maths and perception, lets agree to disagree

I dont even think that we actually disagree, because there is no standard which could be correct or wrong... so it depends on the listener. full stop

did you know that many french eat frogs too? and my guest family even served bowels when I was there...

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Originally posted by DJ Kernkraft400 I dont even think that we actually disagree, because there is no standard which could be correct or wrong... so it depends on the listener. full stop did you know that many french eat frogs too? and my guest family even served bowels when I was there...

eww.. well each to their own eh? tell ya what, i found another track to prove the point that i was originally trying to make. not all dance is in 4/4, this is in 3/4.. in fact it was my good friend stu cox who found this track for me. pjotr g, if you read this, i think your track is genius!

http://www.mikefoyle.com/Pjotr_G_-_321.mp3

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle eww.. well each to their own eh? tell ya what, i found another track to prove the point that i was originally trying to make. not all dance is in 4/4, this is in 3/4.. in fact it was my good friend stu cox who found this track for me. pjotr g, if you read this, i think your track is genius! http://www.mikefoyle.com/Pjotr_G_-_321.mp3

the drum samples dont sound very different... but its very interesting to hear that... aphex twins tunes have wicked measures. and hey ya (what i posted above) is written in 11/4...
(btw, paul is nr 1 )

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Originally posted by DJ Kernkraft400 the drum samples dont sound very different... but its very interesting to hear that... aphex twins tunes have wicked measures. and hey ya (what i posted above) is written in 11/4... (btw, paul is nr 1 )

differnet to what??


and oh yeah, hey ya! there was that other one to, with the guy whisling, some wierd time signature

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle differnet to what?? and oh yeah, hey ya! there was that other one to, with the guy whisling, some wierd time signature

sorry i was not very clear :-) the actual drum samples are the same, arent they? the bassdrum sounds very similar... im listening to the top 100 announcement atm so im not really able to compare these excerpts in detail

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Originally posted by DJ Kernkraft400 sorry i was not very clear :-) the actual drum samples are the same, arent they? the bassdrum sounds very similar... im listening to the top 100 announcement atm so im not really able to compare these excerpts in detail

u mean the same as in my sample? no they arent, must be coincidence

hehe

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle u mean the same as in my sample? no they arent, must be coincidence hehe

ok, nevermind... dont know, but threads like this somehow motivate me to try totally new things... until now, i made only 4/4 tracks, but why not drift into IDM and create an 11/12 thing tomorrow? Its always the same with these technical threads about production and music theory.. how about you?

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Originally posted by DJ Kernkraft400 why not drift into IDM and create an 11/12 thing tomorrow?

do it!

how about fibonacci? 2/3/5/8/13 bar structures in prime number measures like 13/17? hell, im getting creative right now will be testing it tomorrow

edit: this is stupid because there are no 17th notes... so 13/16 or so

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle do it!

can i pm it to you when ill have made something tomorrow?

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Originally posted by DJ Kernkraft400 can i pm it to you when ill have made something tomorrow?

of course, ill look forward to it!

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle of course, ill look forward to it!

yeah ok dunno if you have work to do or if you check your pms regularly
gonna listen to the rest of the winners set now, his radio show on wednesday was the best i have ever experienced in the last year, you can definitely feel that he had good holidays

btw, you can add me to ICQ if you want, my number is in my profile

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Originally posted by cosmoz I find it interesting that the ..boom boom boom...consistant beat that gives the Trance its flavor is the same beat used by north American Indians at there pow wows, and the same used in Siberia, and the same used in Mexico, and the same used iv'e heard in the Amazon,and in Peru. In Africa more complex beat patterns emerge as they believe that each rhythm invokes a different spirit or emotion. When i do a bing-eh beat on my drum, which is the heart beat boomboom, boomboom, boomboo, it puts me in a Trance, right away, especially when i sing and chant during the proceedings. Again like in other post, i Believe that Trance music stand out differenty than any other form of electronic music, because it is a spiritual beat pattern used all over the world to seek contact with the source,the other,the godhead,the goddess, the universe. ANAGRAM FOR "UNIVERSE": "EVER IN US" exactly using all the letters with none left over. Cosmoz.

google it.

trance does take from morrocan drum beats, especially the tribal trance. invoking spirits and whatnot. thats about all i know.

isn't there also like... 3/3?

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Originally posted by Marc Summers isn't there also like... 3/3?

no because there are no 3rd notes... there are half notes, quarter notes, 8th, 16th and so on notes. so the measure is based on values dividable by two... for example 4/4, 6/8, 15/16

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Originally posted by Marc Summers isn't there also like... 3/3?

well 3/3 would never be used but if it was it would be the same as 9/8. because that would mean 3 dotted crotchets in a bar, which is equivilent of 9 quavers (1/8th notes) so u end up with 9/8. u would never call it 3/3 though, for the reason stated by the guy above... thats just confusing!

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Originally posted by DJ Kernkraft400 no because there are no 3rd notes... there are half notes, quarter notes, 8th, 16th and so on notes. so the measure is based on values dividable by two... for example 4/4, 6/8, 15/16

Do you take music theory? thats some deep stuff man.

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle well 3/3 would never be used but if it was it would be the same as 9/8. because that would mean 3 dotted crotchets in a bar, which is equivilent of 9 quavers (1/8th notes) so u end up with 9/8. u would never call it 3/3 though, for the reason stated by the guy above... thats just confusing!

a dottet crotchet is NOT a 3rd note it is a 1,5/4 note... this is simple maths, 3/3 are not equal 9/8

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Originally posted by DJ Kernkraft400 a dottet crotchet is NOT a 3rd note it is a 1,5/4 note... this is simple maths, 3/3 are not equal 9/8

oh yeah! oops.. now i feel stupid

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle oh yeah! oops.. now i feel stupid

nevermind, this is hard stuff

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Do you take music theory? thats some deep stuff man.

no, but the only way that maths can produce feelings is through music (or if you are a nerd ) and i like the principles behind it...

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Originally posted by DJ Kernkraft400 nevermind, this is hard stuff

not really, im just a tard!

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Originally posted by Mike_Foyle not really, im just a tard!

ah, common..

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