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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r We've all been duped... The story continues in lurid detail, a searing indictment of the sadistic cruelty of the American armed forces. And Qaissi is described, sympathetically, as a man on a mission: he forgives his American torturers, but wants to prevent similar "atrocities" from occurring in the future. The Times article is titled "Symbol of Abu Ghraib Seeks to Spare Others His Nightmare." Indeed, Qaissi has made something of a career out of being the man in the famous photo, including, rather weirdly, distributing this business card:  It was indeed a gripping story. And, needless to say, one that suited the Times' political agenda. Just one problem, though: it wasn't true. Qaissi is a hoax. This morning's Times includes the following correction: As the old newsman's adage goes, some stories are just too good to check. Besides, there was someone in the photograph. So I suppose the Times could say its story was fake, but accurate. |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z Assuming that's true, it still doesn't change a thing, other than the fact Qaissi was not the man in the photograph. Edit=typo |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r ...if in fact it was true at all... |
It says he wasn't the man, not that the picture was a fake.
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z It says he wasn't the man, not that the picture was a fake. |
Not a surprise at all, but still pretty sick. I wonder if the mainstream media is ever going to cover the countless cases of war crimes being commited in Iraq rightnow, instead of only reporting things which are bound to make into the mainstream in the first place due to coverage elsewhere, or simply to maintain the illusion of actually reporting information the public has a right to know.
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US marines lose Iraq command role Three US marines from a unit being investigated over the killing of 15 Iraqi civilians have been stripped of their commands and reassigned. Officials are probing whether US troops deliberately killed civilians after a roadside bomb attack on their unit. A marine spokesman said the decision was taken "due to lack of confidence in their leadership abilities". The three marines were named as Lt Col Jeffrey Chessani, Capt Lucas McConnell and Capt James Kimber. All three were members of the US 3rd Marine battalion, which was on duty in Haditha on 19 November when the killings of the Iraqi civilians is said to have taken place. Lt Col Chessani was the battalion's overall commander. There was no immediate word on why the three men were singled out and reassigned, nor whether they were likely to face charges over the incident.
"The decision was made independently of the investigation... [and] was based on the performance of the commanding officers over the entire deployment." Residents in Haditha said US troops went on a violent rampage after the roadside bomb attack killed a marine while on a routine patrol. At least seven women and three children are thought to have been among those killed. A growing outcry over the incident prompted US authorities to send military investigators to Haditha to investigate the reports. They will decide if the civilians died in crossfire or were targeted deliberately in a potential war crime. The US news magazine Time, which highlighted the case, suggested there was evidence US troops had entered Iraqi homes and shot dead some of those inside. |
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| By Alastair Macdonald Mon Mar 27, 6:00 PM ET BAGHDAD (Reuters) - U.S. commanders in Iraq on Monday accused powerful Shi'ite groups of moving the corpses of gunmen killed in battle to encourage accusations that U.S.-led troops massacred unarmed worshippers in a mosque. "After the fact, someone went in and made the scene look different from what it was. There's been huge misinformation," Lieutenant General Peter Chiarelli, the second-ranking U.S. commander in Iraq, said. He rejected the accusations of a massacre that prompted the Shi'ite-led government to demand U.S. forces cede control of security but declined to spell out which group he believed moved the bodies. Government-run television has shown footage of bodies lying without weapons in what Shi'ite ministers say is a mosque compound run by radical cleric Moqtada al-Sadr. The security minister accused Iraqi and U.S. troops of killing 37 unarmed men. Giving the first U.S. military briefing on Sunday's events in Baghdad, Chiarelli said the raid by about 50 Iraqi special forces troops backed by some 25 U.S. "advisers" had been the fruit of long intelligence work. But he said he did not know the religious affiliation of 16 "insurgents" who were killed. An Iraqi was freed who had been taken hostage that day and threatened with death if he did not pay a $20,000 ransom, he said. Three fighters were wounded and 18 other people detained. Chiarelli insisted the compound was not a mosque but an office complex. Neighbors and aides to Sadr call it a mosque and say it was once offices for Saddam Hussein's Baath party. "There was gunfire from every room," he said. Major General J.D. Thurman, whose division controls Baghdad, said: "If it was a mosque, why are they using it as a place to hold hostages?" He added that weapons, including 34 assault rifles and rocket-propelled grenades were also found. ADVISERS Chiarelli stood by the U.S. account, disputed by Sadr aides and other Shi'ite leaders but which is broadly in line with police reports and some local witnesses who spoke of a fierce gun battle around the site. He said an Iraqi special forces unit with about 25 U.S. advisers, trainers, medical and bomb disposal crew in support arrived to raid the site at nightfall and were immediately fired on from a number of buildings around the compound. The troops "cleared the compound," he said, killing or capturing those inside. "It was Iraqi forces who did the fighting," he stressed. Thurman said U.S. helicopters were in the air at the time but only in support of another mission. All the dead were killed by Iraqi fire, Chiarelli said. Chiarelli identified the hostage as a dental technician and said: "He was shown a picture of his daughter and told if he didn't pay $20,000 he was going to be dead the next day." Asked about the apparent surprise, not to say disapproval, of the operation in the ruling Shi'ite Alliance bloc, Chiarelli said: "It was coordinated through military channels. Not every operation we run is coordinated with every politician in Iraq." Though he declined to be drawn on the possible involvement of Sadr's Mehdi Army militia, whose political leaders have led condemnation of the raid, Chiarelli said: "I think the backlash has been caused by the folks who set the scene up." Both generals praised the unidentified Iraqi unit involved for its record of discipline and minimizing the use of force. Chiarelli said: "They don't go in guns blazing." |
^^^ First of all, you never quote your sources (atleast not now), so it becomes hard to investigate it's credibility. Second, the journalist is relying on information from the military, which in and of itself, brings it's credibility into serious question at the very least.
Third, what's the point of that post? War crimes and attrocities are still going on, the one story no body missed being Abu Gharib.
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z ^^^ First of all, you never quote your sources (atleast not now), so it becomes hard to investigate it's credibility. Second, the journalist is relying on information from the military, which in and of itself, brings it's credibility into serious question at the very least. |
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| Third, what's the point of that post? War crimes and attrocities are still going on, the one story no body missed being Abu Gharib. |
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| Alastair Macdonald, Reuters' Iraq bureau chief, recently welcomed back three newly freed journalists who had been held without charge by the U.S. military for as long as eight months. Majed Hameed, a correspondent for Reuters and Al Arabiya, and television cameraman Ali al-Mashhadani were released Jan. 15, while freelance television cameraman Samir Mohammed Noor was freed this past Sunday. All three were held at both Abu Ghraib and at Camp Bucca in southern Iraq. In previous postings with Reuters, Macdonald, 42, has worked in Berlin, Moscow, and Paris, and as an editor on the wire service's main editing desk in London before taking over as bureau chief in Iraq last June. >>source just for you<<  |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo first off, i don't never quote my sources. (including now) btw the first statement in your post makes absolutely no sense grammatically. second, it is so obviously sourced. by: a. a date/time group b. an author c. a publishing company |
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| Originally posted by Q5echo third, i can't help your trust issues with the military. there are other logical and rational reasons to take the author at his word. just like you do with the Democracy Now! and everything they say |
And no, I don't necessarily believe everything Democracy Now! now says; I'm not so naive as to put so much faith in one source. But they have far more credibility than any corperate owned media station/outlet, which have heavy corperate interests and ties to the state, and couldn't care less about reporting important and relevant information the public has a right to know. You do know that corperations by law are obligated to make profit, and that obligation has precedence over everything else. Thanks to Fox News for further dragging down the standards of American journalism and media.| quote: |
| Originally posted by Q5echo what? you posted something similar on this same page. and it is applicable. why isn't Alastair McDonald's story applicable? don't answer that. just read and enjoy. |
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Iraqi CBS Cameraman Released After 1 Year Imprisonment by U.S. Forces We turn now to Iraq. Violence and kidnappings continue to wrack the country and the dangers posed towards reporters covering the war are greater than ever. When Western journalists like Jill Carroll are taken hostage by Iraqi insurgents they appropriately receive international media attention, condemnation from across the globe and worldwide calls for their release. But when Iraqi journalists are detained by US forces the story is a very different one. Just consider the case of CBS cameraman Abdul Ameer Younis Hussein. In April 2005, he was shot in the hip by an American sniper while filming the wreckage of a car bomb in Mosul. US troops then detained him, claiming he had tested positive for explosive residue and that images in his camera linked him to the insurgents. He was imprisoned in Abu Ghraib for more than a year without due process. Abdul Ameer was released just last week after an Iraqi criminal court acquitted him of collaborating with insurgents, citing a lack of evidence. No charges were made public until the trial itself. The case is not an isolated one. The Committee to Protect Journalists documented seven cases in 2005 alone in which U.S. forces detained Iraqi journalists for many weeks or months without charge or due process. * Scott Horton, a New York attorney who recently returned from Baghdad where he was working on Abdul Ameer's case. Horton is Chairman of the International Law Committee at the New York Bar Association. Rush Transcript AMY GOODMAN: We're joined in our Firehouse studio by Scott Horton. He is a New York attorney who just returned from three weeks in Baghdad, where he was working on Abdul Ameer's case. Scott Horton is chair of the International Law Committee at the New York Bar Association. Welcome to Democracy Now! SCOTT HORTON: Good to see you. AMY GOODMAN: So, you went to the gates of Abu Ghraib to free the CBS cameraman? SCOTT HORTON: I did, yes. After the decision of the Iraqi court was handed down acquitting him, actually finding there was not a shred of evidence supporting the charges that were brought against him, they ordered his release, but he was still carried in manacles back to Abu Ghraib, because his release depended upon the U.S. forces. But fortunately, in this case, they acted very quickly, and within about a day, he was released. AMY GOODMAN: Do you think it helped that you were there, that CBS was involved with this, as well, to get him out? SCOTT HORTON: Well, I was told by a number of Iraqi lawyers and some of the judges that that made a critical difference. AMY GOODMAN: He was held for a year? SCOTT HORTON: That's correct. AMY GOODMAN: Explain what happened the day he was shot by the U.S. forces and taken to prison. SCOTT HORTON: Well, he was shot, and I think the immediate assumption was it was a mistaken shooting, that, you know, the sniper was aiming for or targeting perhaps another sniper or a gunman or something like that at the scene, and mistakenly hit this cameraman. AMY GOODMAN: Now, he had just raced to the scene of this car bomb? SCOTT HORTON: That's right. After he had gotten a tip from an A.F.P. reporter � AMY GOODMAN: Agence France-Presse. SCOTT HORTON: Exactly, that the event had occurred, and he got there about 30 minutes after the incident, and it's just as he picked up his camera and started to film that he was shot. Within about 48 hours, there were announcements made, basically saying, �It was a mistake. We're very sorry about this. He is being treated and will be released shortly.� But then, very disturbingly, about five or six days later, suddenly reports began to circulate, not in Iraq, but in Washington, D.C., amongst Pentagon correspondents for CNN and other major networks, FOX News, as well, quoting unnamed, unidentified official Pentagon spokesmen, saying that the Pentagon had extremely disturbing evidence that this man was a terrorist. And specifically, they said that he had on his videotape camera four separate incidents involving attacks on U.S. forces, where there was clear evidence of prior knowledge, that he was there before the attack itself actually occurred, filming. Of course, when the trial came, we discovered that this was a lie. No other way to put it. We got the tape. We examined it. In fact, the tape helped exonerate him, because it corresponded exactly to his account of what had happened and directly contradicted all the claims that had been put forth by or on behalf of the U.S. forces. AMY GOODMAN: You know, it's very interesting, I was at a Reuters seminar session with journalists and with the former spokesperson of the U.S. military forces in Iraq, asking questions about journalists killed and detained, and as we spoke last week, he said, �Well, there is no journalist who is held now,� but, in fact, he was being held, the CBS cameraman, at that time. When did you have him released? SCOTT HORTON: He was released last Thursday. AMY GOODMAN: So he was in Abu Ghraib for the whole time, for the year? SCOTT HORTON: He was in Camp Buka for the first several weeks, and then he was moved to Abu Ghraib, and I think it�s important to note while he was in Abu Ghraib, he was subject to very vigorous interrogation sessions, going 18 to 20 hours, usually beginning at 2:00 in the morning. And there was an attempt made to break him, to get him to make or sign confessions that he was a terrorist, and at the end of one of these interrogation sessions, he was told, �We don't accept what you're saying, and we're going to put you in solitary confinement forever, until you break and sign a statement confessing to being a terrorist.� He was held, in fact, for two days in solitary confinement, which is completely illegal. AMY GOODMAN: Now, we watched a lot, for example, about Jill Carroll, as we should have, as every detained person we should pay attention to, but I don't remember seeing reports on CBS about their own cameraman. SCOTT HORTON: Well, there was one report right at the beginning, and there were a couple of reports that were carried in CBS's internal weblog, but I think you're right, of course, it didn't get the level of dramatic attention that Jill Carroll's story got. AMY GOODMAN: I mean, compare it to Christian Science Monitor. Christian Science Monitor, if CBS argues that, you know, you don't cover yourself. I mean, they were extremely aggressive about putting out there constantly information about Jill Carroll, to make sure she was in the eye of the international media, which would protect her. SCOTT HORTON: Well, of course, one difference, Amy, is that people had some information about Jill Carroll, and there was effectively an information barricade surrounding Abdul Ameer. So CBS tried over and over again to get information about his case, to learn what was happening to him, and they were completely shut off. So there was nothing to report, really. AMY GOODMAN: What about this is emblematic of how Iraqi journalists are dealt with? SCOTT HORTON: Well, I think that this is the case, I'd say, in two ways, really. I mean, Jill Carroll is the unusual case of an expatriate journalist who is actually out there working in the field. For the most part, the situation in Iraq is simply too dangerous for expatriates to deploy them to forward positions and cover things. So they are mostly in fortified, highly secure locations, and they travel out with security guards to do an interview a couple of times a week, but that's it. It is local-hire Iraqi journalists who are really on the front line of the conflict, covering the most dangerous situations, and, you know, we have had 80 journalists killed so far. I think the C.P.J. count is a little bit lower, because of the methodology they use, but these are Iraqi journalists who had been killed, and the wounded, likewise, are largely Iraqi or other Middle Eastern journalists. AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Scott Horton, chair of the International Law Committee at the New York Bar Association, who represented the CBS cameraman who was just released this past week. Now, you lived in the Red Zone? SCOTT HORTON: I lived in the Red Zone, that's right. AMY GOODMAN: That's outside the Green Zone. SCOTT HORTON: Absolutely correct. AMY GOODMAN: What is it like to be there for three weeks? SCOTT HORTON: Well, I was on Haifa Street, which is not a safe place in Iraq. In fact, it's been the site of battles for some time. And I would say, just to start with, it's difficult to sleep there. I don't understand how the locals do it. I mean, you hear helicopters cruising overhead every morning between 3:00 and 5:00 constantly. Gunfire bursts, bombs, and so forth. It's very disturbing. AMY GOODMAN: Did you go to the home of Abdul Ameer Younis Hussein? SCOTT HORTON: I did not go to his home, but I did deliver him to his family members. AMY GOODMAN: How did it affect them, losing him for a year? SCOTT HORTON: Well, they were distraught by the entire situation. I think they felt that he had been targeted, he had been shot, and he had been imprisoned, because he was a journalist, and there was, I think, a lot of resentment about that. AMY GOODMAN: What did he say when you went up to the gates of Abu Ghraib? SCOTT HORTON: Well I, of course, interviewed him at some length before we had the trial, and he was � I think he was distraught about the situation. He didn't understand it. I mean, he really did not understand why U.S. forces had captured him, why they had imprisoned him, why he was being interrogated. It didn't make any sense to him whatsoever, and, you know, he just clung to the truth and giving a correct, objective account of what happened, and I think that worked out very well for him at the end. AMY GOODMAN: Let's talk about Abu Ghraib for a minute and the latest news of � I think we're up to general six, who has called for the ouster of Donald Rumsfeld. SCOTT HORTON: Well, that would be general six in the current series, of course, because if you think back to the first breaking of the Abu Ghraib scandal and the issuance of the Fay-Jones report, you�ll note there were quite a number of generals who called for Rumsfeld's resignation at that time, but, you know, there is clearly a very careful drumbeat now of retired officers. This is something that's completely unprecedented. AMY GOODMAN: What about responsibility at Abu Ghraib? When we last talked, we were talking about the chain of command. What has happened to the man who was sent to Abu Ghraib to -- what? -- Gitmo-ize it, to make it like Guantanamo, General Miller, General Sanchez? SCOTT HORTON: Well, Geoffrey Miller is the man who was sent to Abu Ghraib to Gitmo-ize, and we know that Lieutenant General Mark Schmidt did an investigation of what he did, not at Abu Ghraib, but at Guantanamo, and recommended that he be disciplined, and that decision was overridden higher up in the Pentagon. Then, as a result of demands from the Senate Armed Services Committee, an Inspector General's investigation into that entire process was undertaken. The Inspector General's report is going to be issued very shortly, and it, again, supports the decision to exonerate Major General Miller. I have had some opportunity to look at it, and I will have some opinions to express on it when it's released, but I would say it doesn't inspire confidence in the independence and work of the Inspector General. But I think most importantly here, the Pentagon has said that Major General Miller will be retiring, and members of the Armed Services Committee have said, �Not so fast.� They put a hold on his retirement. That never happens, I mean, and it suggests, again, the level of concern about what's happened and about lack of accountability of senior officers for what happened. AMY GOODMAN: Why are they saying they won't let him retire? SCOTT HORTON: Because when he retires, he will be able to retire with his rank and his pension and benefits, and Major General Miller, of course, has invoked the Fifth Amendment in criminal proceedings already, which is unprecedented, really, and I think is something that appalled a number of other flag officers, and he's escaped any punishment for what went on, although he seems to be quite right at the center of it, and there is, I think, a very strong sense that this is not correct. AMY GOODMAN: So the only one who has been punished at this point is -- what? -- formerly Brigadier General Janice Karpinski? The highest up? SCOTT HORTON: That�s correct. She was not punished on account of what happened at Abu Ghraib, though. She was punished for something else in her background, so, really, you know, in terms of court-martials, we're talking about NCO's. AMY GOODMAN: Non-commissioned officers. SCOTT HORTON: Exactly, non-commissioned officers. We do have a couple of other officers who will be subjected to court-martials or are in the process right now, like Lieutenant Colonel Jordan, but at the flag officer level, there has been a really astounding failure to act and hold to account. AMY GOODMAN: And the lawsuit that was brought against Rumsfeld in Belgium by U.S. attorneys, were you involved with that? SCOTT HORTON: I was not involved in that, but I think it's in Germany that you're thinking of. That was a criminal complaint that was brought against Rumsfeld in Germany, and the German prosecutors concluded that it was too early, that, in fact, it was too early to say that the criminal process would not play itself out in the United States. So the door was quite clearly left open for a future prosecution. AMY GOODMAN: Well, Scott Horton, I want to thank you very much for being with us, chair of the International Law Committee at the New York Bar Association, just back from three weeks in Iraq, where he went to Abu Ghraib to free a CBS cameraman who had been held there by U.S. forces for a year. Abdul Ameer Younis Hussein is now free. |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z Uhuh, if you noticed, most regulars here always provide a link which makes investigating their sources alot easier, not providing one only makes one more reluctant to do so. And I addressed the actual source of the authors information. Grammatical error? Ever heard of typos? Stress and a heavy course load? You always like bringing up completey irrelevant information that has nothing to do with the actual argument(s). |
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| you never quote your sources (atleast not now) |
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| If you have virtualy no understanding of history, especially modern history, power, media and state propoganda/censorship, especially in war time scenarios (pre, post, and during the war), I can't help you there. The military is supposed to an objective source of credible information and critical analysis of the war, especially that related to war crimes? And no, I don't necessarily believe everything Democracy Now! now says; I'm not so naive as to put so much faith in one source. But they have far more credibility than any corperate owned media station/outlet, which have heavy corperate interests and ties to the state, and couldn't care less about reporting important and relevant information the public has a right to know. You do know that corperations by law are obligated to make profit, and that obligation has precedence over everything else. Thanks to Fox News for further dragging down the standards of American journalism and media. |
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| I just explained that above. |
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| And if your such a patriot, you should be concerend with exposing the crimes carried out by the state, not doing PR work for it here at PDD in attempt to cover it up. |
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Euro MPs damn CIA prison flights The CIA has run more than 1,000 flights within the European Union since 2001, often transporting terror suspects for questioning overseas, MEPs have said. The MEPs began a probe after claims the US flew suspects to secret prisons in countries that regularly use torture. The US admits some terror suspects were flown overseas for interrogation, but denies sending them for torture. Report author Claudio Fava said many EU states had ignored the hundreds of CIA flights that had used their airports. Mr Fava, an Italian socialist MEP, singled out Sweden, Italy and Bosnia, which is not an EU member, for particular criticism. A string of former detainees have come forward with stories alleging kidnap and transport by the US for interrogation in third countries - so-called "extraordinary rendition". Some have provided detailed accounts of alleged torture carried out in secret prisons outside EU or US jurisdiction. 'Hearsay' Earlier this year the European human rights watchdog, the Council of Europe, made similar allegations, but these were dismissed by the US as hearsay.
Unveiling his report, Mr Fava said European governments and intelligence agencies should have verified the purpose of the CIA flights. "We just have to think about the use of the airspace and airports by [the] CIA: more than 1,000 flights run by the US secret services, often used directly for extraordinary renditions," he said. He suggested that flight plans and airport logs meant it was hard to believe that many of the stopovers were simple refuelling missions. "The CIA has, on several occasions, clearly been responsible for kidnapping and illegally detaining alleged terrorists on the territory of [EU] member states, as well as for extraordinary renditions," said Mr Fava. He made specific reference to several alleged abductions, including the snatch in Milan of Egyptian cleric Abu Omar in 2003. Italian authorities were highly likely to have known the details of Abu Omar's case, Mr Fava said. Investigators used data from Eurocontrol, the EU's air safety agency, to examine records of thousands of flights. 'Strange routes' Mr Fava described many of the flights as "quite suspect". Among those highlighted was the flight transferring Khalid al-Masri, a Kuwaiti-born German national, who was seized in Macedonia and transported to Afghanistan in 2004. That plane flew from Algeria to Majorca, Spain, then to Skopje, Macedonia, and onto Kabul via Baghdad, all within 48 hours. "They are rather strange routes for flights to take. It is hard to imagine... those stopovers were simply for providing fuel," said Mr Fava. Mr Masri has previously given details of his transfer to the European Parliament. He alleges he was seized in Macedonia, interrogated in Kabul and released into Albania. New investigations Mr Fava's committee spent more than three months interviewing top EU officials, magistrates, human rights activists and people who said they were abducted by the CIA. Despite knowing that allowing rendition and possibly torture would breach a raft of European human rights treaties, Mr Fava said EU diplomats did nothing. He singled out Italy, Sweden and Bosnia as governments he expected knew more than they made public about the flights. Mr Fava's committee did not report on secret prisons, but he said members planned to visit countries such as Romania and Poland for further investigations later this year. The CIA declined to comment on Mr Fava's findings. |
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Guantanamo suicides 'not PR move'
Mark Denbeaux, who represents some of the foreign detainees at the US camp in Cuba, said the man was among 141 prisoners due for release. He said the prisoner was not told because US officials had not decided which country he would be sent to. 'Serious concerns' On Sunday Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Public Diplomacy Ms Graffy told the BBC's Newshour programme the three men did not value their lives, nor the lives of those around them. Detainees had access to lawyers, received mail and had the ability to write to families, so had other means of making protests, she said, and it was hard to see why the men had not protested about their situation. When asked about the comments, the state department spokesman said the US had serious concerns whenever someone took their own life. Mr McCormack would not comment on whether Ms Graffy had been rebuked for her remarks. Camp commander Rear Adm Harry Harris has also taken a tough line on the suicides, saying it was an "act of asymmetric warfare waged against us". 'Despair' The Pentagon named the prisoner who had been recommended for transfer as 30-year-old Saudi Arabian Mani Shaman Turki al-Habardi Al-Utaybi. He was a member of a banned Saudi militant group, the defence department said. The other two men who died on Saturday morning were named as Ali Abdullah Ahmed, 28, from Yemen, and Yassar Talal al-Zahrani, 21, another Saudi Arabian. Ahmed was a mid- to high-level al-Qaeda operative who had participated in a long-term hunger strike from late 2005 to May, and was "non-compliant and hostile" to guards, the Pentagon said. Zahrani, 21, was a "front-line" Taleban fighter who helped procure weapons for use against US and coalition forces in Afghanistan, according to the department. Lawyers say the men who hanged themselves had been driven by despair. The prison camp at the US base in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, holds some 460 prisoners, the vast majority without charge. There have been dozens of suicide attempts since the camp was set up four years ago - but none successful until now. Criticism of the camp is mounting. The United Nations rapporteur on torture, Manfred Nowak, said European leaders should use a summit with President George W Bush next week to press for the prison's closure. Danish Prime Minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen said procedures at Guantanamo Bay violated the rule of law and undermined the fight against terrorism. |
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| ...the three suicides by prisoners at Guantanamo Bay were "a good PR move"... |
What an idiot! "good PR move" This dude obviously doesn't know jack shit about Islam. Suicide is a sin, and if recall correctly, kind of like a one way ticket to hell.
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z What an idiot! "good PR move" This dude obviously doesn't know jack shit about Islam. Suicide is a sin, and if recall correctly, kind of like a one way ticket to hell. |
Ahh, can't you just feel the world love?:
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| �In an editorial headlined �Bad Language�, the right-leaning Times [of London], normally a defender of Britain�s alliance with the United States, said such rhetoric �plays once again into the hands of America�s enemies.�� http://today.reuters.com/News/newsA...AMO-BRITAIN.xml |
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| �France�s Le Monde newspaper condemned Graffy�s comments, saying that they �illustrate the gulf which separates American authorities from the rest of the world on this sinister question.�� http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006...in1703826.shtml |
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| �Britain�s Guardian newspaper called Harris� remarks �cold and odious.� �It is entirely in keeping with the clinical illegality of America�s treatment of terror suspects since 2001,� the left-leaning newspaper said.� http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006...in1703826.shtml |
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| �Britain�s conservative Daily Mail newspaper said the officials had spoken �with utter insensitivity to world opinion� in an editorial headlined: �From the high moral ground to the gutter.�� http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006...in1703826.shtml |
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| �Spain�s El Mundo newspaper called the comments �gruesome.�� http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006...in1703826.shtml |
Soldier discusses war crimes and dehumanization of innocent Iraqi civilians
Short of interrogation for a guilty plea im all for torture.
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| Originally posted by St_Andrew It just proves the US authorities lack of respect for the people at Guatamano bay. It's good he said it though, cause it just adds to the debate about giving these people the rights that they deserve |
U.S.M.C staff sergent describes U.S war crimes in Iraq
Re: Soldier discusses war crimes and dehumanization of innocent Iraqi civilians
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Impersonating A Ranger To Spread Lies [Bubblehead] [Update 1514 23 May: Not surprisingly, all the original links in this post are now dead, as the "progressive" websites scramble to cover their butts. Those who've come here from some of the other coverage of this issue (I'm pretty sure this was the first milblog post on MacBeth) can check out the rest of the site for more information -- or, if you'd like, you can head to my home blog and read about submarines.] Lots of "progressives" will probably be excited today about a new "interview" with an alleged former "Ranger", "Jessie MacBeth", being hyped by the Centre for Research on Globalization. The alleged Ranger accuses American soldiers of all sorts of war crimes. Luckily, the makers of the film didn't know enough about how military uniforms really work, so real soldiers are pointing out the discrepancies to show it's unlikely that this person was really who he claims to be. Examples of the discrepancies noted in the site's comments are in the extended entry. Continue reading "Impersonating A Ranger To Spread Lies " 1. Special Forces Combat Patch (Wrong) 2. Two "Tabs" sewn above SF patch (Wrong- Only One) 3. No Ranger Tab 4. No Airborne Wings 5. No Unit Crest 6. No Sewn on Rank 7. No One in the Army rolls their sleeves like that. Bonus: 8. Mustache is out of regulation by extending past the corner of the mouth. All done! |
Re: U.S.M.C staff sergent describes U.S war crimes in Iraq
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z |
A couple of blogs? Seriously, do you expect me to believe that?
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z A couple of blogs? Seriously, do you expect me to believe that? |
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| Originally posted by Fir3start3r Milblogs are done by actual military personel; why wouldn't you? |
), that very reason alone is sufficient enough!
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z Well, for (Fir3)starters( ban pun, I know, just couldn't resist it ), that very reason alone is sufficient enough! |
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