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Originally posted by Jay M Lol where did this lose 4 points?? Anyways, nice share wim. Maybe the lead has a tad too much low end, at least that's what i notice in the break. In the mainpart it fits nice in the mix. Not very hooky melody, but this still keeps you moving. Well these points are not enough to lose 4 points on the scale of this forum.

1 for drive, 2 for lack of originality in the lead and plucks (personal opinion, wim hates when I critisize it ), and the last one is for total small stuff (like the no fx in the break thingy)

p.s.
Wim I'm trying to remix sorrow again, I hope I'll get it this time
The track is so hard to remix to something else other then uplifting.
And I want something else.

Take your time Omer

I can see where your criticism comes from, though I see it as in a way I'm not original to myself; I can't really find any other recent producer that still holds on to this sound though? Or am I wrong?

Rich: by all means, feel free to have a go at it as you like.

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Originally posted by Icone Take your time Omer I can see where your criticism comes from, though I see it as in a way I'm not original to myself; I can't really find any other recent producer that still holds on to this sound though? Or am I wrong? Rich: by all means, feel free to have a go at it as you like.

Every uplifting producer uses this kind of sound in some way, but eben if I'm wrong.
Every track should be different, unique.
I'm glad you finally see it and not get so pissed off about it.
Try just once, I can even help, to sit with your fav synth and play with it. Get some new sounds, Use weirder effects on leads (flangers, phasers).
Use gated melodies to build up the track, use more melodies in your tracks in general. This will make your own tracks better.
This will make you much better then ferry, armin, pvd or any other big producer (since they do the same thing that you do now, re-use their sound, but in a really horrid & popy way).
Don't think that because you were signed you reached the top, try new things, new styles (sad melodies for example or mellow but still uplifting), when you remix don't just copy-paste melodies and use your own sounds.
When you make original tracks make it with your heart, make sure you really love it, make sure you got everything rigth and always accept critisizem unless it doesn't feel right for you.
Sit down and think how this track should sound like in your opinon.
If it's a remix why does the original artist made it lie that?
Is there any possibilty that I'll find something that the original producer didn't use (some kind of efffects you like more, athmosphere is not for your liking ect).
What should be the athmosphere of the song? Should there be any vocals?


ALWAYS THINK AND BE YOURSELF, LISTEN WITH YOUR HEART, NOT YOUR MIND AND DO NOT LOOSE THAT SPECIAL TOUCH THAT YOU CAN GIVE, BECAUSE THE MOMENT YOU WILL LOSE IT YOU'LL BECOME JUST LIKE ANYONE


This is what trance should be like, this is what it is.
Not what ferry or any other mofo says it is.
Make yourself think that you reached new tops and made new things.
Make yourself belive you can do better.

Now give me an AMEN for that

May trance be returned to his original state at once.
I'm always here as a friend Wim.

Sincerly yours,
Omer Katz.

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Originally posted by The Drow Every uplifting producer uses this kind of sound in some way, but eben if I'm wrong. Every track should be different, unique. I'm glad you finally see it and not get so pissed off about it. Try just once, I can even help, to sit with your fav synth and play with it. Get some new sounds, Use weirder effects on leads (flangers, phasers). Use gated melodies to build up the track, use more melodies in your tracks in general. This will make your own tracks better. This will make you much better then ferry, armin, pvd or any other big producer (since they do the same thing that you do now, re-use their sound, but in a really horrid & popy way). Don't think that because you were signed you reached the top, try new things, new styles (sad melodies for example or mellow but still uplifting), when you remix don't just copy-paste melodies and use your own sounds. When you make original tracks make it with your heart, make sure you really love it, make sure you got everything rigth and always accept critisizem unless it doesn't feel right for you. Sit down and think how this track should sound like in your opinon. If it's a remix why does the original artist made it lie that? Is there any possibilty that I'll find something that the original producer didn't use (some kind of efffects you like more, athmosphere is not for your liking ect). What should be the athmosphere of the song? Should there be any vocals? ALWAYS THINK AND BE YOURSELF, LISTEN WITH YOUR HEART, NOT YOUR MIND AND DO NOT LOOSE THAT SPECIAL TOUCH THAT YOU CAN GIVE, BECAUSE THE MOMENT YOU WILL LOSE IT YOU'LL BECOME JUST LIKE ANYONE This is what trance should be like, this is what it is. Not what ferry or any other mofo says it is. Make yourself think that you reached new tops and made new things. Make yourself belive you can do better. Now give me an AMEN for that May trance be returned to his original state at once. I'm always here as a friend Wim. Sincerly yours, Omer Katz.

Very patronizing comments above! Its like you wrote this out for a noob!

I have know Wim for a long time and I know he make his music with his heart - or surely he wouldn't keep at it! Wim, like any other artist has his own sound, you can't take that away from him! Its okay you dribbling on about how he should change, what you need to realize is that there are so many artists signed and that 99.9% of things that can be different in a track have already been done!

Like I said before Wim has his own sound and I, like others can clearly recognize a track! What does this say? For me Wim, can stick to his sound because the formula works, otherwise he would have got signed to the big labels!

He's always been patronizing towards me Steve, so don't bother with it (at least I don't)

Being signed does means much to me, though it'll always stay uncertain. It doesn't change the way I am, the sounds I like or my interpretation of 'trance music'. It's funny how you talk about free will and "be yourself" Omer, when you mention words like "should" and "make sure"... I think you need to revise your thinking of somebody else as a person.

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Originally posted by The Drow Every uplifting producer uses this kind of sound in some way, but eben if I'm wrong. Every track should be different, unique. I'm glad you finally see it and not get so pissed off about it. Try just once, I can even help, to sit with your fav synth and play with it. Get some new sounds, Use weirder effects on leads (flangers, phasers). Use gated melodies to build up the track, use more melodies in your tracks in general. This will make your own tracks better. This will make you much better then ferry, armin, pvd or any other big producer (since they do the same thing that you do now, re-use their sound, but in a really horrid & popy way). Don't think that because you were signed you reached the top, try new things, new styles (sad melodies for example or mellow but still uplifting), when you remix don't just copy-paste melodies and use your own sounds. When you make original tracks make it with your heart, make sure you really love it, make sure you got everything rigth and always accept critisizem unless it doesn't feel right for you. Sit down and think how this track should sound like in your opinon. If it's a remix why does the original artist made it lie that? Is there any possibilty that I'll find something that the original producer didn't use (some kind of efffects you like more, athmosphere is not for your liking ect). What should be the athmosphere of the song? Should there be any vocals? ALWAYS THINK AND BE YOURSELF, LISTEN WITH YOUR HEART, NOT YOUR MIND AND DO NOT LOOSE THAT SPECIAL TOUCH THAT YOU CAN GIVE, BECAUSE THE MOMENT YOU WILL LOSE IT YOU'LL BECOME JUST LIKE ANYONE This is what trance should be like, this is what it is. Not what ferry or any other mofo says it is. Make yourself think that you reached new tops and made new things. Make yourself belive you can do better. Now give me an AMEN for that May trance be returned to his original state at once. I'm always here as a friend Wim. Sincerly yours, Omer Katz.

Hmmmm what a strange post....from what I hear I can always tell an Icone sound track - very driving, those plucks in it and very distinctive synth line, he has his own style, so what is your problem?
Perhaps he should go to Kenya and record the sound of a huge giraffe fart, then bring it back and use it in one of his songs. May sound like shit (no pun intended ) but at least he is being original
I also notice you are born in 1989 - making you 16 - and you are already as prententious as Bono

As for the track - I liked it - very driving and the melodies at the start are very nice - though i didn't like the main melody much. but still an awesome track.

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Originally posted by Icone He's always been patronizing towards me Steve, so don't bother with it (at least I don't) Being signed does means much to me, though it'll always stay uncertain. It doesn't change the way I am, the sounds I like or my interpretation of 'trance music'. It's funny how you talk about free will and "be yourself" Omer, when you mention words like "should" and "make sure"... I think you need to revise your thinking of somebody else as a person.

I know I'm cocky and arrogant, I don't mean too. It just sounds that way and it is prolly that way.
I just try to help. Maybe I should understand that you don't want it.
The way that I treat to pepole is not always respectfully but I tend to tell the truth.
You know what forget it.
We certainly don't agree, thats one thing I know.
I have my own opinion and you have yours.

@retiro: I didn't say wim does it for the money, I just think that being signed changed him somehow. He sticks to one sound, in all of his tracks.
If you think it's ok it doesn't mean that I have to do so, right?
@RickyM: "from what I hear I can always tell an Icone sound track very driving, those plucks in it and very distinctive synth line, he has his own style, so what is your problem? "
My problem is that it always sounds the same. no variation.
He just uses his own presets and write melodies.
Maybe I'm all wrong about it, and maybe not.
I just hear too many producers who doesn't sound the same but you can recognize their style. Always.
Maybe I just can't like uplifting anymore. You know it's really funny cuz I don't agree with myself I do like uplifiting. So what is wrong? myself? wim? prolly me.

Sorry,
Omer.

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Originally posted by The Drow I know I'm cocky and arrogant, I don't mean too. It just sounds that way and it is prolly that way. I just try to help. Maybe I should understand that you don't want it. The way that I treat to pepole is not always respectfully but I tend to tell the truth. You know what forget it. We certainly don't agree, thats one thing I know. I have my own opinion and you have yours. @retiro: I didn't say wim does it for the money, I just think that being signed changed him somehow. He sticks to one sound, in all of his tracks. If you think it's ok it doesn't mean that I have to do so, right?

Granted you are entitled to your opinion, doesn't mean everybody as to hear it, especially Wim! If the formula works then let it be! I think you need to look at many trance producers to see that they all stick to a sound! I guess its call personalising... not a bad thing!

Quote "I just try to help. Maybe I should understand that you don't want it." At the end of the day Wim hasn't changed since he got his music signed and he knows enough about producing to have made a success out of it, I'm sure he doesn't want 16 year old children dribbling on in his ear... he has better things to do!

Don't worry Wim, you have enough of a fan base to not worry about comments like these!

Cheers Steve

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Originally posted by The Drow I do like uplifiting. So what is wrong? myself? wim? prolly me. Sorry, Omer.

first of all, there is no thing such as uplifting trance, and if there is, its just another word for cheese (music that is easy to like)

thats what uplifting trance is, Trance that is easier to like for the common ear, and often sticks with u on the first listen..

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Icone is the symbol of what VST trance is.. i dont think his tracks are above the average, but still.. i has a damn good polished sound, and he sticks with the same formula, its his signature sound, "driving energic trance" his productions are far from original but sounds 100% full..

i think this track is pretty good, best ive heard from him..

this tracks have some very nice effects to it, makes it appropriate for more than one listen.. although its not so deep, so it catches on the first listen, for me atleast..

and, Drow: u cant change how people make their music, u can try but ir rarley works, this is what Icone WANTS to make, and thumps up, he makes what he wants to make.. what is in his mind..

i sincerely wish, i could do the same

If it's from the heart... so be it.

@retrio: "Don't worry Wim, you have enough of a fan base to not worry about comments like these!"
I never said I don't like it.
I do. But it's not what it used to be.
You think I'm all fucked up, well yeh you are right.
But why Wim should be different? I tell everyone what I think of them.
Even if it hurts.

@Subtle: They do sound full, but the not 100% original is the thing that bothers me so much.
I want to keep to hear Wim's music, I really do.
But it's like you wake up and and the same day repeats over and over.
Just in different words.

Again pepole I'm not trying to hurt anyone. If I did I truly regrat that.

Ferwell,
Omer.

p.s.
I won't comment in this thread anymore or in any Icone thread in the future.
I know when I'm not welcomed.

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Originally posted by The Drow "But why Wim should be different? I tell everyone what I think of them. Even if it hurts." "Again pepole I'm not trying to hurt anyone. If I did I truly regrat that."

What? Make up your mind matey!

Great driving beats & bassline combo as always, just can't get enough of that full sound.

About the FX, they are cool, but not as glued into the track as in "the clearing". The FX wheren't that much on the foreground as here, and i guess i personally like it that way, i like it when they blend.

About the Break, nice choir/string combo, but in opposition to "the clearing" there are no FX during the strings only break and the plucks come in way more agressive and sudden, imho : think you could have gotten more out of the break section.

Your a procution machine - always pristine quality in your tracks.
Only feel as if this track was made with less attention to detail than "the clearing" which kicked arse.

It's alright, though I wish the feedback would stick with just the music and not my personality or something. I'm always open for constructive criticism!!

Subtle: I know uplifting trance can sometimes lean very close to cheese (which is often a more dance oriented thing though I think); though what in gods name is 'VST trance'?

It's a very cool tune, But I didn't like the melody, The build up is very good.

You've done better before Wim

Good luck.

Pretty average production (melody wise) to me, the intro and the breakdow were pretty good, but such build up were announcing me a better climax than the one you did in this.

As for the sound pretty clean as usual.

"As for the VST Trance" term, I think he referred to trance made with software only not as it was a genre.

i will try a remix of it will post it up wen i am finished

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Originally posted by RickyM Perhaps he should go to Kenya and record the sound of a huge giraffe fart, then bring it back and use it in one of his songs.

I'd love to boogie to that on a dancefloor!

Vst trance. Hmmzz I remember Armin van Buuren planned to work mainly with VST's on his latest album or so he said in an interview. I guess Icone must be a pretty big player to get threads like these.

He asked us for feedback on the track not on the genre. Uplifting trance is not another word for cheesy trance productions either.

I am not trying to Defend Icone here because I already posted that I think his track was not as good as I had expected (still pretty good but compared to the standards he has set for himself) it was a bit disappointing.

However let's just stick to his track and judge him on what he does with it in a constructive way. If you hate it or want him to change his whole style you can also choose to leave this thread alone

Cheers everyone.

And Ricky M has an intresting idea. Icone do you feel like travelling to Kenya with us and make record some original farts and animal sounds and then layer them in a collab of us?

i always know an icone track from another.

i always know a m.i.k.e track from another.

tiesto's productions all have the same sort of sound, as do ferry corstens etc.

once you get to a certain point you are obviously gonna have a 'signature sound' - i think people saying the track sounds just like all his others are being unprofessional. and acting in the same way as a rock fan saying that all 'dance' music is the same.

i felt that this recent track from icone was great. especially the bassline. it gave me an idea how my next tracks bassline will go.

i thought it was one of the most original basslines i have heared recently. and for a bassline to stay in someones head it has to be original.

this is better than 'astra' imo. and far more up to date sound wise.

good work as i ve said before and thanks for the high bitrate

rich

here u go:

VST Trance
The kind of "trance by numbers" produced in great volume by geeky bedroom producers with Reason or Cubase VST and no real instruments and/or analogue equipment whatsoever. A typical VST Trance record is techically well produced and also manages to avoid anything memorable even though it has all the cliches included.

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Originally posted by Subtle here u go: VST Trance The kind of "trance by numbers" produced in great volume by geeky bedroom producers with Reason or Cubase VST and no real instruments and/or analogue equipment whatsoever. A typical VST Trance record is techically well produced and also manages to avoid anything memorable even though it has all the cliches included.

Wow, thats abit sharp mate!

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Originally posted by Subtle here u go: VST Trance The kind of "trance by numbers" produced in great volume by geeky bedroom producers with Reason or Cubase VST and no real instruments and/or analogue equipment whatsoever. A typical VST Trance record is techically well produced and also manages to avoid anything memorable even though it has all the cliches included.

Someone is trying despirately to put himself in the same category as Alanzo (alan m) with his comments on Iloops track recently

Cheers!

Disappointing to see another of Wim's threads degrade into a stupid argument.

I think what many people are failing to recognize is that Wim is probably one of the most consistent producers in the trance scene at the moment. I don't think he's done a track that has gotten a resounding 'bad' vote. When it comes down to it, it's all opinion, and Wim is just getting more promotion out of the deal, so good for him.

Anyway, now to the track. As usual it's amazing production quality. The basslines are all so sharp sounding. I personally would have only done the first breakdown in this track, as it tends to make the track feel longer than it is. Your percussion is very gentle but driving, and there are some very cool subtle effects. This isn't a track I'll have on repeat for weeks at a time, but another very solid production.

Keep it up man.

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Originally posted by tylerc Disappointing to see another of Wim's threads degrade into a stupid argument.

I'm getting used to it... Yet I'm still posting up almost all of my tracks and remixes here, that does mean something, does it?

Thanks for the comments all!

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Originally posted by Icone I'm getting used to it... Yet I'm still posting up almost all of my tracks and remixes here, that does mean something, does it? Thanks for the comments all!

Don't let it get you down mate!

Keep sticking to your great production sound and lets all show our appreciation to Wim for taking time and sticking up such great tunes!

Thanks Wim!!!

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