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Originally posted by Demoted I don't even have one passport. Yeeeek

LOL!

And almost all the pages are full in my American one as it's generally the easiest to travel on. (Yeah whatever, lots of people don't like Americans but unless I'm in Europe or a country that is particularly hostile towards the USA a la Cuba, then believe me, the US passport is always the easiest.) I need to get more pages for it.

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Originally posted by dinoXpress LOL! And almost all the pages are full in my American one as it's generally the easiest to travel on. (Yeah whatever, lots of people don't like Americans but unless I'm in Europe or a country that is particularly hostile towards the USA a la Cuba, then believe me, the US passport is always the easiest.) I need to get more pages for it.

I wonder, can you get little custom passports like you can get custom-made checks? With like, little backgrounds on the backs of the pages and such? Because man oh man would that be schwat.

I'd have pictures of blimps doin' it.

[To sum up the discussion: Question, why chinese aren't present at TA, they are considered not to speak english]

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: they dont need to learn, nor would one put the effort to learn a language they really dont need just to communicate to westerners online.

There is some truth. Consider, please, that China is an empire. You have lots of local languages in there with the official language being "Mandarin" (known to us Westerners as "Chinese"). The situation is much more worse than in Europe where everyone has to learn English as the main European language. In fact, in China a large part of the population does not speak "Mandarin". Okay, then consider there a lot of smart and young people around speaking, reading and writing Mandarin. There is no need for them to learn other languages because China is a world of its own (look at the olympic mascots, that is part of this very different culture).

Then consider that a few students (and nobody else) need to learn english. To make it hard for them they have to learn the western alphabet first (they use a different system). Once they managed to learn it they will need to speak the words they can already read and write. That is the next hurdle because the pronounciation of english words does not follow the way you write them and to make it especially difficult, the chinese languages are tonal languages where the way you pronounce the same vocabulary decides whether you name someone "mother" or "horse" (yes, the word for both is the same, it is just the way how to speak the word makes the difference). It is a completely different way to communicate.

Then consider that they take all hurdles and finally find TA. What do you think, do they understand words (and cultural outflows) such as "orly" "f*ck" "ch00n" and what there is more? I don't think so.

I met a few chinese students here in Dresden where they studied physics and biotechnologies. They did not speak german at all (they did not need to) and their english (needed) was underdeveloped. But nevertheless, it was quite interesting to discuss a few things with them (life-style, the role of sex in China, politics) to learn more about China. Was very interesting ....

But I would consider them to know, what Trance is (in some way Music is a universal language) so that I would expect China having a chinese counterpart to TranceAddict.com). Except that you cannot find it because it is all in "Chinese"....

And yes, try to search the chinese counterpart of "google" (google is blocked in China), baidu.com for mp3 files: it is officially allowed there to share mp3-files, look at http://mp3.baidu.com

yeah pretty ugly !!!

but i think the mascots generally speaking aren't that great maybe u guys remenber footix for the world cup 98 (soccer ) in france



i thought it was ridiculous and i remenber once in class back in high school our teacher asked what were the symbols of france and i yelled "footix " was so damn funny

they can have all the mascots they want...China kicks ass in the olympics...

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Originally posted by h0tsweetbabyd0l i thought it was ridiculous and i remenber once in class back in high school our teacher asked what were the symbols of france and i yelled "footix " was so damn funny

Oh, from the german point of view do not forget "Asterix" or "Idefix"

they need to add ping pong as an olympic sport....asians would own

those things ar a let better than Izzy (1996):

I KNEW IT WAS GONNA BE PANDAS!

And now to read the rest of the thread...

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Originally posted by trance4life627 they need to add ping pong as an olympic sport....asians would own

it is an olympic sport and Korea Dominates it.

Calgary 88



Athens 2004

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Originally posted by oje_oje And yes, try to search the chinese counterpart of "google" (google is blocked in China), baidu.com for mp3 files: it is officially allowed there to share mp3-files, look at http://mp3.baidu.com

Lol, site is complete in chinese. Can't find anything


And I thought I read somewhere that 20% of the Chinese speak english, or can speak english.

you want 500 dorrah?

I am sad kinda.....

Olympics should have came to Canada - we could have used the RALLYING effect it would have enboldened upon the face of our country here.

I think we thought we were getting hosting duties (TORONTO) - (major constructions on hold - pending grants...yadda yadda)

alas....

I hope the traditionally universal unity of the games can be achieved.

I serious hope they keep good on their human rights policy changes. We can't be funding a new world market without limits on its rulers/officers who overtly abuse the people physically for no just cause.

Undesired touch is a basic animal instint and right - respect that much at least.

Canada and China are going to be fairly large players in world market share of shift from US a main country of export. Over the next while.

If Canada can't do well this time.

Prove them right!

Change perceptions....

open doors////

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Calgary 88 Athens 2004

oh man, i loved those Calgary bears when i was a kid. I remember them being cuter though

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Originally posted by oje_oje There is some truth. Consider, please, that China is an empire. You have lots of local languages in there with the official language being "Mandarin" (known to us Westerners as "Chinese"). The situation is much more worse than in Europe where everyone has to learn English as the main European language. In fact, in China a large part of the population does not speak "Mandarin". Okay, then consider there a lot of smart and young people around speaking, reading and writing Mandarin. There is no need for them to learn other languages because China is a world of its own (look at the olympic mascots, that is part of this very different culture).

This is very true. Indeed, more remote areas have no need to learn Mandarin, and suffice with the local dialect(s).

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Then consider that a few students (and nobody else) need to learn english.

Not quite. The top five languages in demand by employers are roughly English, Japanese, Mandarin, Cantonese and Korean. Knowing English is a big deal in China, and it's a required course in many schools.

I once spent time as an intern at NCR Beijing, and English was so important there that they wouldn't hire someone who couldn't speak English.

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To make it hard for them they have to learn the western alphabet first (they use a different system).

Except that the keyboard conversion method in Mainland China uses pinyin, or romanized Chinese. In effect, mainland Chinese are already familiar with the roman alphabet, and the transition is not unlike an American learning the pronunciations of roman letters in German or French, albeit with a big difference that I'll note below.

It's interesting to note that some Chinese use pinyin entirely when using IM programs that do not support Big5 or Unicode or anything like that.

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Once they managed to learn it they will need to speak the words they can already read and write. That is the next hurdle because the pronounciation of english words does not follow the way you write them...

In your interactions with the Chinese in Dresden, did you ever teach them any new English words? If you did, you would have likely noted one or two asking how the word is spelled, then writing the word in the air or on their hand with their forefinger. This is because they want to know what the word looks like, and associate that form with its meaning. The Chinese don't associate pronunciations with individual letters. They look at the word's form as a whole and associate pronunciation and meaning with that form.

This comes directly from the Chinese writing system. Hanzi bear little or no relation to the pronunciations of the words they represent, so it's better to just assoicate the pronunciation and character directly, regardless of constituent elements. This is helpful in English precisely because of the ambiguity of English pronunciation; Chinese don't have to worry about it because they're already used to ambiguity of pronunciation. They just use the same method of learning new words that they've been using. Granted, it's harder to learn the pronunciations of new written words, but that's hard for any English speaker. :P

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...to make it especially difficult, the chinese languages are tonal languages where the way you pronounce the same vocabulary decides whether you name someone "mother" or "horse" (yes, the word for both is the same, it is just the way how to speak the word makes the difference). It is a completely different way to communicate.

To be honest, this tends to make it harder for foreign learners of Chinese who aren't used to such important suprasegmental distinctions. To the Chinese it's more of one less thing to worry about. Instead they have to focus on the English consonant clusters, which are a bit more complex than the nasal+C that Chinese are used to.

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Then consider that they take all hurdles and finally find TA. What do you think, do they understand words (and cultural outflows) such as "orly" "f*ck" "ch00n" and what there is more? I don't think so.

It's really no different than what a newbie native English speaker would encounter. Hell, I don't know what "orly" means. We really don't use these expressions as much as you seem to be implying.

This doesn't preclude many Chinese not caring enough to learn English well, or not wanting to go to English websites because they're English, though. Even I get discouraged when I see a Chinese website, and I can read Chinese fairly well.

To be honest, TA could possibly be blocked by the Chinese government. (Just look at all of our capitalist propaganda! >_>) Looking around that baidu site, though, I doubt it.

On topic:
啊~，那么可爱，并一点奇怪�

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Originally posted by Haak oh man, i loved those Calgary bears when i was a kid. I remember them being cuter though

dawwwwwwwww...

Re: China announced Olympic mascots...

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Originally posted by Demoted Pictured: a panda and some burning child.

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Originally posted by Rhand Lol, site is complete in chinese. Can't find anything

That's LIFE

The Athens mascots, while not vey appealing to me, are actually replicas of 7th century B.C. dolls found in an archeological dig in Greece. Speaking of mascots in general, one of my all time favorites was the World Cup 98' mascot that was allover Paris when I was there. That little guy was adorable!

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex Not quite. The top five languages in demand by employers are roughly English, Japanese, Mandarin, Cantonese and Korean. Knowing English is a big deal in China, and it's a required course in many schools.

Ah, I did not know that. The list of foreign languages you present looks like a who-is-who of the whole Eastern-Asian corner. Except Cantonese...

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex Except that the keyboard conversion method in Mainland China uses pinyin, or romanized Chinese. In effect, mainland Chinese are already familiar with the roman alphabet, and the transition is not unlike an American learning the pronunciations of roman letters in German or French, albeit with a big difference that I'll note below.

That was completely unknown to me.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex In your interactions with the Chinese in Dresden, did you ever teach them any new English words? If you did, you would have likely noted one or two asking how the word is spelled, then writing the word in the air or on their hand with their forefinger. This is because they want to know what the word looks like, and associate that form with its meaning. The Chinese don't associate pronunciations with individual letters. They look at the word's form as a whole and associate pronunciation and meaning with that form.

No, I did not teach them any new word. I myself learn words by "exercising" rather than by learning them. In school I had huge problems with learning english. So I just discussed things with them and thought they would learn it by listening to me like I did.

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex This comes directly from the Chinese writing system. Hanzi bear little or no relation to the pronunciations of the words they represent, so it's better to just assoicate the pronunciation and character directly, regardless of constituent elements. (...) To be honest, this tends to make it harder for foreign learners of Chinese who aren't used to such important suprasegmental distinctions. To the Chinese it's more of one less thing to worry about. Instead they have to focus on the English consonant clusters, which are a bit more complex than the nasal+C that Chinese are used to.

Yeah, that actually keeps me away from learning the language...

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex It's really no different than what a newbie native English speaker would encounter. Hell, I don't know what "orly" means.

Not important. Its just the "TA cool" language...

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Originally posted by thoughtlessjex This doesn't preclude many Chinese not caring enough to learn English well, or not wanting to go to English websites because they're English, though. Even I get discouraged when I see a Chinese website, and I can read Chinese fairly well. To be honest, TA could possibly be blocked by the Chinese government. (Just look at all of our capitalist propaganda! >_>) Looking around that baidu site, though, I doubt it.

Probably TA is just not "degenerate" enough to be blocked by them. Maybe they just selectively block the CORe

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