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amazing how edm is the only gebre that anyone can be a performer in with zero musical background/talent...hey if u can count, ur a dj already
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| Originally posted by Wyndham i think to get to the level of some djs..it takes more practice than to master an instrument. look at guys like halliwell, zabiela, sasha. What they can do is with their equipment is pretty crazy, not only that, a lot of what they do is innovative as well. Then if u get into turntabilism, thats even crazier. The level of mastery those guys have over their turntables is just unreal, and i think takes more still than learning how to master an instrument in most cases. They may not be considered musicians, but they are sure masters of their musical tools. |
^ you are just jealous cause no one would pay to see a brown dj 
The way I started was I started playing similar tracks, just beat matching and simple mixing back and forth. I started with the Tiesto Nyana indoor/outdoor vinyls. I played those discs for hour after hour after hour, just beat matching songs and mixing back and forth. If possible I recomend buying 2 of the same track. Be warned this may get boring, but it's a really good basic exercise. Place your first track on deck A, and adjust the tempo so it sounds good (play A through the speakers). place the second vinyl on deck B, and start to play it through ur headphones. Now, *without* looking at deck A try to get the beats and phrases to line up accordingly (aka beat match it) do this over, and over, and over, and over till you hate the song you now have 2 copies of. Go to used vinyl store and sell one copy and buy a bunch of used stuff that you like (remember to listen to every track you buy in the store). Repeat the beat matching practice till you can get it quickley everytime. Listen to the music carefully, *most* Trance is in 4/4 time (4 beats per phrase), and has 4 phrases to a part. Play around with how it feels to move the record, speed it up, slow it down, spin it back etc. see how much pressure you need to stop the vinal, but not the deck underneith it. Also play around with where you like to touch the record and table. Personally I move the record to get the beats close then I use the spinle to fine tune it.
You said that you have lots of money to spend...put it into techs. plain and simple. If you keep at it you will eventually grow out of low end decks. And if nothing else DONT BUY BELT DRIVES!!!! it was mentioned before but I cant stress this enough. THEY ARE CRAP! The other thing is that *if* you don't like DJing (they are out there) you can sell your Techs and get almost the same amount you paid for them. If you buy garbage, then you'll have a hard time selling garbage.
The other thing you should keep in mind is that it's not just your tables that need to be good. AMAZING tables, and a crap mixer, headphones, amp or speakers and your mix is still going to sound like crap. If you are going to go all out, then do it; but don't sacrifice on something to buy up on something else.
Practice, Practice, Practice, Practice oh, and btw Practice. Perfect Practice make Perfect. If you have a trainwreck, stop and go back. If you are willing to accept this now, then in a set it will happen again. You have nobody to impress but yourself, take the time and learn to do it right everytime. Once you are good at beat matching and simple fading/mixing start learning some different mixing techniques. Try to sample a couple beats from your cued track into the live track, start mixing at different point of the track (not always near the end) If you think you should have a really long build up from one track, and drop into a hard track at the peak of the build up then do it. Learn to spinback, deadstop poweroff etc. Play with your tone controls and learn what they do. Learn from others, listen to good sets, and break down why they are good. Listen to bad sets and figure out where and why they fail.
Just some stuff I have learned/done so far. Everybody learns new things all the time, even the greats. Keep at it, and have fun.
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| Originally posted by Euphorica ^ you are just jealous cause no one would pay to see a brown dj |
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| Originally posted by iLiptikalOrbitZ You said that you have lots of money to spend...put it into techs. |
try to beat my ass and do my taxes?
vinyl is expensive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you said you have money, but still.
for $15 you get a new vinyl w/ typically two songs(or 1 song / 2 remixs).
Online you can buy songs for $1.
so $100 of vinyl is 6 or so records...or 100 songs to put on cd.
Just something to think about. Cd's are used all the time (yes by top dj's). The only people who really care what is being used are elitist bedroom dj's. 
If you want to be nostalgic and have coin to do so, go vinyl(or both). If you are poor... get cd players.
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| Originally posted by El Kay Dee post of the year |
We've had some similar discussions about starting to DJ.
Everyone really has their own motivation and drive. But at the end of the day there are some things I can think of
1. Learn to play on turntables first, buy cheap ones and then upgrade as your skill level gets better. Gemini and Numark will do, but you can get a pair of cheap, used techs for about 900 all in.
Reason is you need to understand and learn the fundamentals of vinyl. Thats the True EDM way. From there you can move to cd or laptop but learn properly.
2. Records are expensive but it will make you appreciate how much time and effort it takes to make one. Get to know the guys at the record shops. Check out tracks you can get WAY before anyone else.
My selections are about 1 month ahead sometimes, maybe 2 even on more of the mainstream productions. Get to know the grass routes of your culture and what the top guys do.
3. There is a lot more to djing then just djing. Its not 1978 in the disco club in New york. There are a million DJs around the world, and they all want Oakenfolds Paycheck 
People have internet shows, radio shows, tv shows, syndicated shows, and their own productions.
If your looking to get big, it won't happen overnight, it will probably take you 10 years, if done the correct way. So take your time and practice.
4. If your not DJing you should be Marketing, if your not doing that you should be thinking abut Marketing. Did I say marketing lol.
Everyone wants to be a DJ but can you fill a club with people every week? without ending up on the insanity waggon after partying your brains out 5 straight years.
5. Mistakes- You'll probably make 500 of them but once you've done your time and learned the ropes, you'll understand how to deal with every situation.
Ok so the bottom line is .....
come by Beba Lounge and ask around about Tips etc on what to do. Someone will be able to show ya.
Oh ya and play for as many people you can at your house partys. Get on out.
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| Originally posted by Vivid Boy dj's get soo much credit its not even funny. and really what do they do? they play other peoples music...wow...just wow. |
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| Originally posted by Wyndham what part of that isn't true though? guys competing in things like dmc spend years devoting themselves to turntablism, same as a guitar or piano player would have to do for example. |
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| lol and what do you mean djs dont have a musical backgroung? music is their life, i think u mean they have no musical theory background which is usually true. a LOT of people started playin instruments with no musical background..eric clapton for example.. and hes one of the best guitar players ever, taught himself. anyone can be a bedroom dj, but i'm talking about the top guys here |
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| Originally posted by alefort ....just like your local crackheads...  |
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| Originally posted by El Kay Dee amazing how edm is the only gebre that anyone can be a performer in with zero musical background/talent...hey if u can count, ur a dj already |
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| Originally posted by rabbitjoker First you need to get 2 turntables and a microphone... |
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| Originally posted by Wyndham was this post actually serious? haha im not comparing them to tiesto etc as musicians... im saying that what they use to play music takes just as much talent and practice as someone who plays an instrument. They aren't musicans but they deserve all the credit they get. music theory is one thing, and most huge rock artists had none of it when they started, much like most djs, and a musical ear is another, which all good djs obviously HAVE to have to get anywhere just like musicians. |
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| Originally posted by El Kay Dee u missed my last post about it not being about theory... most of the DJs out there (maybe 2/3s??) only beatmatch, crossfade and tweak the eq... this is why i have more respect for amazing producers who dj and those are the ones i go to see cos thats where u find creativity |
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| Originally posted by Wyndham zabilia, sasha etc..they dont really produce anything (the odd thing) and they've got to where they are based on djing alone. |
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| Originally posted by El Kay Dee no comment.. |
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| Originally posted by El Kay Dee no comment.. |
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| Originally posted by Wyndham maybe take sasha outta there since hes got a shitload of remixes... but he got popular for djing first... and zabiela produces yea.. but whats he famous for lol??.. his productions are based around his skill on the decks and efx units which he learned from djing first, now hes started applying it to productions..kinda obvious |
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| Originally posted by Maxx We've had some similar discussions about starting to DJ. Everyone really has their own motivation and drive. But at the end of the day there are some things I can think of 1. Learn to play on turntables first, buy cheap ones and then upgrade as your skill level gets better. Gemini and Numark will do, but you can get a pair of cheap, used techs for about 900 all in. Reason is you need to understand and learn the fundamentals of vinyl. Thats the True EDM way. From there you can move to cd or laptop but learn properly. 2. Records are expensive but it will make you appreciate how much time and effort it takes to make one. Get to know the guys at the record shops. Check out tracks you can get WAY before anyone else. My selections are about 1 month ahead sometimes, maybe 2 even on more of the mainstream productions. Get to know the grass routes of your culture and what the top guys do. 3. There is a lot more to djing then just djing. Its not 1978 in the disco club in New york. There are a million DJs around the world, and they all want Oakenfolds Paycheck People have internet shows, radio shows, tv shows, syndicated shows, and their own productions. If your looking to get big, it won't happen overnight, it will probably take you 10 years, if done the correct way. So take your time and practice. 4. If your not DJing you should be Marketing, if your not doing that you should be thinking abut Marketing. Did I say marketing lol. Everyone wants to be a DJ but can you fill a club with people every week? without ending up on the insanity waggon after partying your brains out 5 straight years. 5. Mistakes- You'll probably make 500 of them but once you've done your time and learned the ropes, you'll understand how to deal with every situation. Ok so the bottom line is ..... come by Beba Lounge and ask around about Tips etc on what to do. Someone will be able to show ya. Oh ya and play for as many people you can at your house partys. Get on out. |
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