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Originally posted by Clyde77 it depends where you are mate. if you are in asia, the trance scene is dominated by asians. if you are in america of course youll get more white people because blacks goes to the hiphop clubs and asians go to both.

ps. happy birthday one day late ...

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Originally posted by Shafteh Im Guessing its probably somthing to do with the fact that the places where trance are popular... the Majority of people are white... and those of Black or other races prefer to listen to other Genres they can relate with people in.

well said

i find it amusing that i am southern american and i love two things, country and trance.
and i hate ******s.

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Originally posted by Ek0nomik PS2 Controller - X, O, [], /\, O, O, X, []. Finish him!

well i think trance is hugly popular with all races, except blacks. And its dominated by whites because it was made and made popular by whites in england/ibiza first then holland and so on. But then why is hiphop/rap dominated by blacks? same reason, was made and made popular by blacks, in harlem, queens, bronx etc in areas dominated by blacks. Just works out that way.

and non whites dominating all sports is like saying why do non blacks dominate all sports.. stupid comment, comparing one race to the rest of the world lol. Comparing A race overall might be a better way of doin it... blacks for example, they dominate maybe baseball, football(american) and basketball.... what about soccer, dominated by caucasians/latinos, cricket dominated by whites and browns, rugby dominated by whites, hockey lol thats a given, lacrosse mostly whites i think. list goes on and on.

For the last time, answer these questions and you'll come to your answer:

Why is mongoloian throat-singing dominated by mongolians?

The mongoloian throat-singers are mongolian.
The listening audience is mongoloian.

Why?


Why is mexican corrido music dominated by mexicans?

The producers are mexican.
The mexican corrido singers are mexican.
The listening audience is mexican.

Why?


Why is chinese pop music dominated by chinese?

The producers are chinese.
The chinese pop music singers are chinese.
The listening audience is chinese.

Why?


Why is hungarian nota music dominated by hungarians?

The producers are hungarian.
The nota singers are hungarian.
The listening audience is hungarian.

Why?

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange For the last time, answer these questions and you'll come to your answer: Why is mongoloian throat-singing dominated by mongolians? The mongoloian throat-singers are mongolian. The listening audience are mongoloian. Why? Why is mexican corrido music dominated by mexicans? The producers are mexican. The mexican corrido singers are mexican. The listening audience are mexican. Why? Why is chinese pop music dominated by chinese? The producers are chinese. The chinese pop music singers are chinese. The listening audience are chinese. Why? Why is hungarian nota music dominated by hungarians? The producers are hungarian. The nota singers are hungarian. The listening audience are hungarian. Why?

hahahaha .. yea pretty much

cause trance is racist

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Originally posted by Project 7 cause trance is racist

Are you Real Oakenfold?

What a coincidence. Why, just yesterday I....ah, someone already covered that.

Well, to add more to the discussion, I'll tell you....but first: There is nothing racist by what I am about to say. It's just an acknowledgement of differences. It's only racist if one is presumed superior to the others. Which I'm not saying at all.

*ahem*

Holistically, when it comes to music:

blacks have always gravitated towards rhythm (tempo and percussion)
whites have always gravitated towards melody (notes and scales)
asians have always gravitated towards harmony (chords and tones)

This is not just the case with electronic music, this is the case with ALL music.

Beyond that, however, not much distinction can be made without getting into some sticky arguments, but so far, that's what's evident.

As always, there are exceptions.

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Originally posted by Wyndham blacks for example, they dominate maybe baseball

no no no no no, blacks in baseball has been on the decline since the mid 90s. But it was just meant as an example i know i'm ranting...


And just to support some arguments above, I live in a pretty multicultural area, and of my friends I've never noticed what race they are having anything to do w/ what music they like, with the exception being rap music. My friends who like trance music are just as multiculturally balanced as my friends who hate it.

Because trance is intelligent music.

Actually, you ask any real, classically trained musician, they will tell you that trance is to intelligent music like a grade 1 reading primer is to sophisticated literature.

See Dick.
See Dick dance.
See Dick dance to Trance.
Dance Dick dance.

True trance (the kind you champion) does require cerebral input from the listener, because it lacks elements that are easy to associate with (can't sing along, can't air guitar, etc). Music is all about evoking reaction from the listener, and by making music more minimal, you can draw a deeper reaction from them. Of course, you could just bore them to shit.

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Originally posted by Spartan no no no no no, blacks in baseball has been on the decline since the mid 90s. But it was just meant as an example i know i'm ranting...

true true, carribean/central/south americans are on the rise like no tomorrow.

well.. i think it has social and culture factor...
these are the principal...
but i ll not talk about all genres... classical (intelectuals), trance (playboys and more other well-born), heavy metal (intelligent rebels), hip-hop (ignorant rebels)..
ok, maybe i'm wrong classifying these things, hehhe.. :P

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Originally posted by Ishkur Holistically, when it comes to music: blacks have always gravitated towards rhythm (tempo and percussion) whites have always gravitated towards melody (notes and scales) asians have always gravitated towards harmony (chords and tones)

Wow, that one's off the mark. How do you explain that the trance parties I go to are probably half white, half asian, with a few blacks and latinos in there as well?

BTW, maybe I missed something, but is there a reason you waste your time on this site if you feel that trance is to music as a reading primer is to literature? Or do you just like to act like a kindergartener sometimes?

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy Wow, that one's off the mark. How do you explain that the trance parties I go to are probably half white, half asian, with a few blacks and latinos in there as well? BTW, maybe I missed something, but is there a reason you waste your time on this site if you feel that trance is to music as a reading primer is to literature? Or do you just like to act like a kindergartener sometimes?

probably because of the drugs haha, drugs bring A LOT of people into the scene that wouldn't otherwise be there for just the music, and im definately singling out the asians for that one. Come stand on the floor at the Guvernment in toronto and u'll see what i mean.

hes right what he said about trance, its a very basic form of music and its pretty obvious, everything is 4/4 and you know when every little thing is going to happen. compare a djs trance set to a symphony...

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Originally posted by Ishkur Actually, you ask any real, classically trained musician, they will tell you that trance is to intelligent music like a grade 1 reading primer is to sophisticated literature. See Dick. See Dick dance. See Dick dance to Trance. Dance Dick dance.

Would that classically trained musician be able to properly synthesize his own sounds on a synth, or properly use MIDI, or be able to make all the levels on the track be just right? Probably not. Half of producing trance is technical as well as musical ability. I'm sorry, but when people belittle the amount of work and skill it takes to make a great trance tune, it pisses me off.

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Originally posted by Wyndham probably because of the drugs haha, drugs bring A LOT of people into the scene that wouldn't otherwise be there for just the music, and im definately singling out the asians for that one. Come stand on the floor at the Guvernment in toronto and u'll see what i mean. hes right what he said about trance, its a very basic form of music and its pretty obvious, everything is 4/4 and you know when every little thing is going to happen. compare a djs trance set to a symphony...

My asian girlfriend isn't there for the drugs (neither are her friends for that matter). I know what you're saying because we have the crackie FOBs in NYC, too, but to make that big of a generalization shows that his exposure to who's listening to the music is a bit sheltered.

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Originally posted by Groundhog Boy but to make that big of a generalization shows that his exposure to who's listening to the music is a bit sheltered.

Actually, in truth your exposure is sheltered, and his generalizations show that he knows more about who's listening to the music than you do. Your only "rebuttal" for his historically correct musical observations as it relates to various cultures is who you saw at some clubs in your town? Eye laugh.

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Originally posted by Numidia Would that classically trained musician be able to properly synthesize his own sounds on a synth, or properly use MIDI, or be able to make all the levels on the track be just right? Probably not. Half of producing trance is technical as well as musical ability. I'm sorry, but when people belittle the amount of work and skill it takes to make a great trance tune, it pisses me off.

Hi, his name is Vangelis/Jean Michel Jarre/Philip Glass/Mike Oldfield/Yanni/need I go on?. Perhaps you've heard of him?

Oh, and for the record, Oliver Lieb's classically trained. It shows, doesn't it.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Actually, in truth your exposure is sheltered, and his generalizations show that he knows more about who's listening to the music than you do. Your only "rebuttal" for his historically correct musical observations as it relates to various cultures is who you saw at some clubs in your town? Eye laugh.

Yeah, I guess in my sheltered world, I found North America's little niche of Asians that listen to melodic trance and don't do tons of drugs.

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Originally posted by Sykonee Hi, his name is Vangelis/Jean Michel Jarre/Philip Glass/Mike Oldfield/Yanni/need I go on?. Perhaps you've heard of him? Oh, and for the record, Oliver Lieb's classically trained. It shows, doesn't it.

I'm pointing out that trance music is intelligent because the same people who come up with the melodies are the same people who produce it... I'm confused as to what you're argument is? Are you inferring that every classically trained musician is an accomplished producer as well? All you did was list off a handful of people with classical training who can also produce, that in no way represents the majority.

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Originally posted by Aiwendil Actually, in truth your exposure is sheltered, and his generalizations show that he knows more about who's listening to the music than you do. Your only "rebuttal" for his historically correct musical observations as it relates to various cultures is who you saw at some clubs in your town? Eye laugh.

thank you...


groundhog boy...
i didn't say all asians, i just singled them out because they are a HUGE majority that are into it BECAUSE of the drugs, theres also a lot of whites, but then they also make the music/dj the music and have a MASSIVE MASSIVE fan base that use no drugs,,,, im sure you and your little group of asian friend amoung many others enjoy trance without drugs, im happy for you... but theres still a massive amout of asians that are in it for that reason.

Toronto is a very very multiculturaled city, and i've seen it countless times, at a lot of different clubs.. its a fact.. period

o by the way.. you said you found americans little niche of asians that dont do tons of drugs?? Good for you, but guess what, they're all out on the dance floor along with the ones that do do tons of drugs.

lmao

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