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Originally posted by Mebot My head a{s;ploded/

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It's a sad state of affairs where the world's most popular DJ cannot respect objective criticismb of his work, even by his fans.

as for me, I consider all interviews which I read as subjective. I often read reviews, mostly on trance.nu, and they are quite helpful to get a first impression of the CD, but that's it yet - not more, not less. I got in the past average rated albums and compilations, because it's all a matter of taste, interviews shouldn't be generalized therefore. I think this is the thing which PvD doesn't understand. rating a album automatically good, doesn't consequently mean that everybody goes crazy about this release..

how immature from pvd/his management.

i would think he'd be interested in talking about an honest review like that more in depth...

i guess there are politics of dancing and politics of worshiping his every move

thumbs down

well, i dont see the point in actually giving them an review of his album.. it is somewhat understandable that the rejected or rather canceled the interview based on the bad rating, as it would definitely be a bad PR for them to have an interview which links to a bad review of his compilation..

its like interviewing Puff Daddy and saying "your new album sucks man, anyways, how are things?"

especially with a person as van Dyk, which has a reputation for his arrogance..

6/10 is not a bad score. This isn't a poor record by any means, it's always listenable and very enjoyable at times. But it is underwhelming and certainly a dissapointment.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J 6/10 is not a bad score. This isn't a poor record by any means, it's always listenable and very enjoyable at times. But it is underwhelming and certainly a dissapointment.

its not excactly something u would advertise on the front cover

Another sign of the "OMFG!!!!1" culture that has taken over trance and progressive: everyone is the greatest new talent that started playing around with music at the age of 5, every track is 11/10, every radio show is the most awesomest!!! Everyone kisses the producers' asses to get benefits. This time you didn't, and of course the ego-inflated management thought such a behaviour wasn't acceptable.

It's a bit understandable that the producers are more likely to associate with the scene that actually likes their music. However, it's this kind of stuff that put trance even deeper in a shithole for the past couple years, and thrown progressive to the same situation.

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Originally posted by Omega_Blue hey, if you were bashing my cd, i wouldn't want to talk to you either.

He wasn't bashing Paul Van Dyk's new CD, he was simply giving a review of him. That really takes a lot of respect away from the mans personality.

sorry to hear that
thats like the last thing you expect to hear from a dj of his standard

I would have rated it a bit higher! but that's my a personal opinion. I think this is maybe not as good as many have expected, but it's definitely one album, which deserves to be on the top positions this year. and therefore I don't know if 6/10 is a suitable rating. this album is not worser than other albums this year, for example tiesto's or armin's album, what this poll shows: POLL. don't know, rating all these albums (from the poll) with 6/10 or less, would such rating represent the true quality of these albums? but it's, like I have said, a personal opinion, and such reaction from PvD or his management is simply misplaced.

it's really sad that people can't talk to professionals without sucking their dicks. we've seen our share of it here on TA as well...if you don't sit there and compliment compliment compliment...well...screw you. it's ridiculous

Re: Paul Van Dyk backs out of interview...

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Firstly, I'd like to say that this post is speaking only for myself, and not for the site I work for. This is a personal expression of dissapointment on a matter I think trance fans should have brought to their attention. You've probably seen a lot of trance sites interview Paul Van Dyk over the years. Despite that, I was really pleased when he agreed to an interview with the site I work for: TranceCritic.com. PVD told us to send some questions to his manager and that he would answer them in due time. We're a small, but growing site and an interview with PVD would be a great boost. We also decided as a community that we wanted to ask challenging, genuinely interesting questions for the man, rather than the likes of "what inspires you?" Anyway, we put together some great questions and sent them off. My boss, DreamTitan decided that it would be good to have a review of the Politics of Dancing 2 put up alongside the interview, and I was given the job of reviewing it. Anyway, having listened to it several times, I was more than a little dissapointed with it. I reviewed it thoroughly (you can read it HERE if you're interested) and awarded it 6/10. A slightly above average mark. Some people agreed with this score, some people felt I had under-rated the album, but everyone agreed that as the reviewer, it was my decision. The original plan was to put the review up at the same time as the interview, but Paul took a long time to answer, so we decided to go ahead with the review anyway, as POD 2 is a big release and we needed to have it covered. Anyway, there was a long period of silence and eventually, PVD's webteam contacted us today, saying that they had decided that the interview would not be completed. Their reason? They sent us a link of our POD 2 review. This was hugely dissapointing, as PVD had agreed without any conditions for the interview, and then had pulled out at a later date because he felt that we hadn't rated his album highly enough. We looked into it further, and got the same response. PVD's team were unwilling to provide content for a site which had marked down a compilation that "all the critics and fans were raving about". Now, before anyone accuses us of bashing for attention, I'll point out that the original Politics of Dancing was given 8/10 by another reviewer, and I myself gave his album Seven Ways a perfect 10/10 mark. The site has always been very pro-PVD because we enjoy his productions. But the message was clear: no glowing review, no interview. Now everyone at TC has expressed their dissapointment there, but I, as the reviewer and as a PVD fan, was really let down by this. I gave the album an honest reflection of what I thought it deserved. But now, apparently personal opinions are not good for music journalists. You see a lot of sites out there raving about POD 2, and also delivering interviews with Paul himself. I take pride that I don't sacrafice the integrity of my reviews or the TranceCritic name by sucking up on big releases. As a review site, we should be honest, because our reviews are what can decide whether people spend �15 on a record. It's a sad state of affairs where the world's most popular DJ cannot respect objective criticism of his work, even by his fans. I thought I'd bring this to your attention because people deserve to know this kind of thing. This is not a pro or anti Paul Van Dyk sentiment, because I love his productions and he is a better DJ than most of his competition. However, I felt really let down by his attitude over my criticism. People all over the world want to read PVD interviews, fans and casual observers alike. I don't think that a site should have to barter with someone who has freely agreed to do an interview, especially not for a reason like this.

Could your "challenging, genuinely interesting questions" have had anything to do with the cancellation? I mean, if you gave TPOD 2 a 6/10, AND were asking questions that they thought might have been disrespectful, etc., I could see where they were coming from.

You should post your questions up here, too.

i read ur review, or parts of it, i can understand why he canceled the inteview, u bash names, use "big words" and generally have a bad attitude..

u think mr van Dyk wants to be interviewed from a 17 old kid who thinks he knows everything about trance, and with an attitude..

no offence dude, just seeing things from the other perspective

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Originally posted by Subtle i read ur review, or parts of it, i can understand why he canceled the inteview, u bash names, use "big words" and generally have a bad attitude..

To be honest, there are only so many ways of saying "this track is unoriginal and boring". I was going to compromise more, but I genuinely didn't enjoy a lot of it, and the review reflects my feelings of frustration at witnessing a potentially great mix sell itself short.

back to the years of communism, no freedom of speech

This is a -1 for PVD in my books

just have seen another review on TC:

A Trip In Trance 4 - Mixed by Rank 1

rating: 7/10 (PvD 6/10)

this is a joke.. only because your expectations weren't fulfilled, you give such a rating.. be a bit more realistic, ATIT4 in comparison to POD2 is shit..

Dont blame them. I just read your review and would have done the same thing. When writing a review about a trance album perhaps keep your own prejudices of the trance scene out of it and just focus on the CD. There is no need to write:

"epic trance had undeniably had its day, and the creativity and enthusiasm of the past four years drained out of the scene"

"Andy Moor or Santiago Nino will never be as proficient as Way Out West or Signum. It�s a sad day for trance when the fastest rising stars on the biggest compilation of the year are members of the Swedish House Mafia. This isn�t really PVD�s fault- you can only work with what you�ve got, and DJs will always be slaves to what producers are making for them to play, particularly on commercial mixes where you can�t raid previous years for gold. However, it�s not a fault that will go away."

"Apparently a few chord changes in a saw synth will pass off as a melody these days."

"As usual, when he�s not part of Tilt, Moor is rubbish, and Whiteroom sounds like a sound byte of a supermarket check-out looped over some soft synths." - Whiteroom isnt on the CD

"Thank God for the skip button, eh?" - refering to The Other Side.

"All in all? The Politics of Dancing 2 is really just another metaphorical nail in the proverbial coffin of trance in 2005."


I agree the compilation isnt as good as it could have been but you need to edit your reviews or make sure your editor reads it first. Your agenda shows clearly through the review that epic trance is dead. In the end I think you wrote a review like you post on TA, demeaning and elitest.

Now, onto the speculation field, not necessarily regarding PVD. Don't you guys think that judging by the current state of things, "buying" reviews or atleast "ordering" them might be a common practice in certain websites/magazines?

BOO HOO!! YOU DON'T LIKE MY CD!!! I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU!!!

*runs off and cries*

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Originally posted by Reactic just have seen another interview on TC: A Trip In Trance 4 - Mixed by Rank 1 rating: 7/10 (PvD 6/10) this is a joke.. only because your expectations weren't fulfilled, you give such a rating.. be a bit more realistic, ATIT4 in comparison to POD2 is shit..

that review is writen by another guy. obviously within a reviewing site all writers don't share exactly the same taste in music. maybe that guy would have given a 10/10 for this cd..

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Originally posted by Ian or do like this guy did the day ferry corsten wouldn't bend over for the soap one day in the shower & accuse him of killing trance & put it all on a website with poor wit & intelligence

Hey, I show no love for the man that doesn't even have the god damn common courtesy to give me a reacharound.

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Originally posted by weymouth "As usual, when he�s not part of Tilt, Moor is rubbish, and Whiteroom sounds like a sound byte of a supermarket check-out looped over some soft synths." - Whiteroom isnt on the CD

Yeah, that's a typo.

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Originally posted by Subtle i read ur review, or parts of it, i can understand why he canceled the inteview, u bash names, use "big words" and generally have a bad attitude.. u think mr van Dyk wants to be interviewed from a 17 old kid who thinks he knows everything about trance, and with an attitude.. no offence dude, just seeing things from the other perspective

as long as the reviewer writes his humble opinion about the album and tracks no one should give a fuck.
this kind of attitude makes me wanna vomit. Who the hell wants to read the same kind of interviews over and over again written by an asslicker in the style of "So mr PVD are now when you released such an AMAZING comp. will you tour the world?".

And the fact that PVD always tries to show himself as a guy which sticks out with his political attitude and liberal lifestyle makes me wonder why he refused to give an interview with some edge. No I don't see questions such as "Why were there so many tunes promised for TPOD2 which never made it into the CD?" as bad attitude-question.
Neither do I see questions such as "How come you say that DJ Sammy gives trance a bad name when so many of your tunes on your latest album are cheesy pop?"
This is the kind of questions I want to be asked. He is not some kind of god and i know that alot of people consider him as one but its time to realize that he have his flaws.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 that review is writen by another guy. obviously within a reviewing site all writers don't share exactly the same taste in music. maybe that guy would have given a 10/10 for this cd..

okay, we don't know what he would have given for this cd. fact is, the two CDs are rated nearly the same, and this is very dubious. I understand that they all have there opinion, but I really can't think that the majority would rate a trip in trance 4 above TPOD2.. Sure, ASOT 2005 or ISOS4 could be on the same level, but not ATIT4.. can't really think of one thing, which is better than in POD2..

trance.nu rated both cds the other way round (POD2>ATIT4), what is more acceptable in my opinion.

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