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Posted by fr0st on Nov-28-2005 21:38:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2

Adam P22A. 80 W x 2 - May I suggest more earthly M-Audio BX5a??? In an extensive side-by-side comparisson at my friend's stuio, we both arrived at conclusion that soundwise they are virtually identical! Oh, and you'll keep about $1500 extra in your pocket too!

Cheers!



ummm, you guys must be in

A) a horrible space
b) using horibble converters
c) or have horrible hearing...


After doing comparisons of pretty much every speaker i could in the best coniditions i could find... The maudio was some of the best speakers i heard in the 200-600 range... The event precision 8s in the 600-1200 range. THe adam audio in the 1200-4000 ranger then for the top speakers ive ever heard giving the flatest response and most accuracey would be the barefoot monitors....


Comparing the maudios to the adams and saying the sound the same is horrible.


Posted by armanivespucci on Nov-28-2005 21:42:

quote:
jp-8080 - ah yes... a one-trick (ridden to death) pony. You should be ashamed for even lusting after this. It's like lusting after your friend's having a cell phone. JP lovers - SHUT IT, I DON'T WANT TO HEAR HOW GREAT IT IS. PLEASE, IT'S SO 90'S!


How many times are people going to say this without actually thinking?


Posted by emc^2 on Nov-28-2005 21:54:

quote:
Originally posted by armanivespucci
How many times are people going to say this without actually thinking?


Please elaborate, I'm dying to hear something I haven't heard already. Please tell me again, how great JP is and tell me all about it's magnificent SUPERSAW, and please, tell me in great detail about your lusting after this little blue piece of roland wonder.

jeezz... n00bs ffs


Posted by armanivespucci on Nov-28-2005 22:00:

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=8

How old is trance music again? Actually, wait, how old is EDM?

Hmm.


Posted by emc^2 on Nov-28-2005 22:05:

quote:
Originally posted by fr0st
ummm, you guys must be in

A) a horrible space
b) using horibble converters
c) or have horrible hearing...


After doing comparisons of pretty much every speaker i could in the best coniditions i could find... The maudio was some of the best speakers i heard in the 200-600 range... The event precision 8s in the 600-1200 range. THe adam audio in the 1200-4000 ranger then for the top speakers ive ever heard giving the flatest response and most accuracey would be the barefoot monitors....


Comparing the maudios to the adams and saying the sound the same is horrible.


Listen, not to take away from Adams, they are great monitors - no questions asked. I am not saying that M-Audio is better or you should buy it. What I am saying is that in side-by-side comparison (and this being completely subjective, based on our analisys) - they sounded pretty damn close.

The test was ran in a studio environment with proper acoustic setup.

The test consisted of:

1. Running white noise at different bands
2. Running pink noise at different bands
3. Testing each major frequency range from 30Hz - 22Khz
4. Actual listening test of various music styles: classical, vocal, jazz, rock, dance, and instrumental
5. Basic spectrometer test
6. Feel test (feeling acoustic energy by placing your hand near the cones)


Yes, the M-Audios did have several dips (if I recall correctly, around 180Hz and 12Khz) but overall, fared very well next to Adams. It wasn't a quick 5 minute listening test. We spent about 3 hours or so. I'll stick by my comments: if you have the means and are looking for professional grade, no compromise sound - ADAM IS YOUR CHOICE. if you are on a budget and need to have sound quality as close to perfection as possible, M-AUDIO is a TERRIFIC CHOICE, especially considering THE PRICE.

Not everyone can shell out close to $4000 for monitors, so, hence my comment.

And as a side question... Dude, I'm just curious - what's up with all the aggression that seems to be just lurking behind the surface? srsly? Lighten up, eh?


Posted by emc^2 on Nov-28-2005 22:11:

quote:
Originally posted by armanivespucci
http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=8

How old is trance music again? Actually, wait, how old is EDM?

Hmm.


Hey, I got news for you. Your "supersaw" is attainable in just about any synth (well, ok, not every, but most decent ones). To relegate all laurels and glory to JP just because it can do one thing well - is simply silly. Sorry, but my JP8 can create massive "supersaw" that JP8xxx wouldn't even be able to vocode. Ok, you say not the same price point - great, I agree. All I am saying is that JP is not a bad choice but it is... predictable.

If everyone uses same tools, same approach, same sounds - what happens to originality?

Look, I don't care actually what you get - it's your money and your choice, I'm stating my opinion. Last time I checked, it was still alowed in this country.

Get whatever you want, be happy...


Posted by armanivespucci on Nov-28-2005 22:22:

I'm not hailing the JP as the end-all synth. It does the supersaw very well, and the supersaw sound as we know it is probably about 10 years old. And it's not that expensive.

Okay, so why are you so pissed that people like it? It's a bit ridiculous, really.

Originality, my friend, is not necessarily dependent on instrumentation, either. I've been experimenting with very complex music that utilizes a JP supersaw. If you don't like the JP's saw, don't use it, but don't try to force synth choices on others with the iron fist of God and deem all who like the JP80x0 "n00bs."


Posted by emc^2 on Nov-28-2005 22:36:

quote:
Originally posted by armanivespucci
I'm not hailing the JP as the end-all synth. It does the supersaw very well, and the supersaw sound as we know it is probably about 10 years old. And it's not that expensive.

Okay, so why are you so pissed that people like it? It's a bit ridiculous, really.

Originality, my friend, is not necessarily dependent on instrumentation, either. I've been experimenting with very complex music that utilizes a JP supersaw. If you don't like the JP's saw, don't use it, but don't try to force synth choices on others with the iron fist of God and deem all who like the JP80x0 "n00bs."


LOL, lighten up.
quote:
iron fist of God


heeheh... whatever rocks your boat, man.

oh, and p.s. I don't force choices, I offer opinions. If those are not welcome, you are absolutely free to ignore them. See, easy. Not like I came to your house and threatened to beat you senseless for buying this synth, innit?


Posted by fr0st on Nov-29-2005 02:48:

quote:
Originally posted by emc^2
Listen, not to take away from Adams, they are great monitors - no questions asked. I am not saying that M-Audio is better or you should buy it. What I am saying is that in side-by-side comparison (and this being completely subjective, based on our analisys) - they sounded pretty damn close.

The test was ran in a studio environment with proper acoustic setup.

The test consisted of:

1. Running white noise at different bands
2. Running pink noise at different bands
3. Testing each major frequency range from 30Hz - 22Khz
4. Actual listening test of various music styles: classical, vocal, jazz, rock, dance, and instrumental
5. Basic spectrometer test
6. Feel test (feeling acoustic energy by placing your hand near the cones)


Yes, the M-Audios did have several dips (if I recall correctly, around 180Hz and 12Khz) but overall, fared very well next to Adams. It wasn't a quick 5 minute listening test. We spent about 3 hours or so. I'll stick by my comments: if you have the means and are looking for professional grade, no compromise sound - ADAM IS YOUR CHOICE. if you are on a budget and need to have sound quality as close to perfection as possible, M-AUDIO is a TERRIFIC CHOICE, especially considering THE PRICE.

Not everyone can shell out close to $4000 for monitors, so, hence my comment.

And as a side question... Dude, I'm just curious - what's up with all the aggression that seems to be just lurking behind the surface? srsly? Lighten up, eh?



I just didn't like the authoritative tone you used. And that sounds like a pretty good test. I demoed them at a friends studio we tossed them up against the adams as i wanted to purchase a new set of speakers under 600 bucks(i ended up with event tr8's). We used lavry blue converters and listened to various pieces of music.. I found that the m-audio had deffinate trouble producing a good even bass response and often just ended up sounding like garbage in the low end and for dance music its very important for a speaker to be organized in the low end(all speakers in the sub 600 do this)... And the sound overall was deffinately not as tight it was very loose...

I ended up with thee tr8's as i had the previous model and was familiar with the crap they put out.. But if i had the cash id def get the precision 8's over the adams or the mackies. As they sound fucking great for the cost... And if i had 4k to drop on monitors id def just save up another 5k and get the barefoots...


Posted by Icone on Nov-29-2005 07:19:

quote:
Originally posted by staticblue
Just an even better computer would be fine


Idd, so I could play the latest games


Posted by emc^2 on Nov-29-2005 20:37:

quote:
Originally posted by fr0st
I just didn't like the authoritative tone you used. And that sounds like a pretty good test. I demoed them at a friends studio we tossed them up against the adams as i wanted to purchase a new set of speakers under 600 bucks(i ended up with event tr8's). We used lavry blue converters and listened to various pieces of music.. I found that the m-audio had deffinate trouble producing a good even bass response and often just ended up sounding like garbage in the low end and for dance music its very important for a speaker to be organized in the low end(all speakers in the sub 600 do this)... And the sound overall was deffinately not as tight it was very loose...

I ended up with thee tr8's as i had the previous model and was familiar with the crap they put out.. But if i had the cash id def get the precision 8's over the adams or the mackies. As they sound fucking great for the cost... And if i had 4k to drop on monitors id def just save up another 5k and get the barefoots...


I am developing a strong dislike for my Mackies. They overload on every friggin low-end note, unless I set volume very low. Can't even play my JD800 on them - tears them to shit. sounds like I need to either get a sub or get something more responsive on low end. I do regret selling my Genelec 1038A's... shame my room was too small to make them useable


Posted by Icone on Nov-30-2005 22:10:

Decided for my Christmas list:

POINT OF VIEW GEFORCE 7800GTX 512MB
ASUS A8N SLI PREMIUM
AMD 4800+ X2 DUAL-CORE PROCESSOR

About �1800 in total, so it'd be a damn expensive list for me


Posted by Xenocreator_PG_ on Dec-01-2005 04:01:

quote:
Originally posted by Icone
Decided for my Christmas list:

POINT OF VIEW GEFORCE 7800GTX 512MB
ASUS A8N SLI PREMIUM
AMD 4800+ X2 DUAL-CORE PROCESSOR

About �1800 in total, so it'd be a damn expensive list for me


Very nice.

I've got an Asus A8N sli mobo. It's a nice mobo though I will never use the sli feature. You should seriously consider a mobo with Crossfire capability....

POINT OF VIEW GEFORCE 7800GTX 512MB Though currently nothing can beat the benchmarks 2x 7800GTX cards in sli. (well that is until R520 come out in Crossfire...!!)


http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Rev...=14474&PageId=0


Posted by emc^2 on Dec-07-2005 22:43:

quote:
Originally posted by fr0st
ummm, you guys must be in

A) a horrible space
b) using horibble converters
c) or have horrible hearing...


After doing comparisons of pretty much every speaker i could in the best coniditions i could find... The maudio was some of the best speakers i heard in the 200-600 range... The event precision 8s in the 600-1200 range. THe adam audio in the 1200-4000 ranger then for the top speakers ive ever heard giving the flatest response and most accuracey would be the barefoot monitors....


Comparing the maudios to the adams and saying the sound the same is horrible.


Damn, note to self: "insert foot A into mouth B" - shhiet, I meant to say BX8a -not BX5a. sorry, goofed. 5a are the smaller versions and you're right - they would not be close to 8" ADAMS.


Posted by girllovingtvibe on Dec-09-2005 15:36:

^^^^ all of it and a personal private tutor (suitor) to go with


Posted by slyfoxark on Dec-11-2005 05:46:

I'd like some speakers that dont click constantly. (They click even when turned off... they're really quite annoying)


Posted by FirstBorn on Dec-11-2005 14:19:

I'd like a new mixing desk as my Behringer has a really bad signal-to-noise ratio and it's really pissing me off. Any potential replacement is likely to be way beyond the budgets of girlfriend, family etc so I guess this is one for me to buy.

Studio stuff which is actually on my Xmas list includes a new mixer stand, and a portable air-conditioning unit and fan, as my studio gets way too hot in the summer. Basically all the boring stuff I can't be bothered to buy myself.

Oh, and a Virus TI.


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