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I conclude with this.

I believe that the need to do drugs depends on the person, and if he/or she has what it takes to dance all night long without drugs.

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Originally posted by nchs09 drugs in club = lose drugs @ any house = win drugs @ afterhours = win i think poeple do drugs in clubs for a bigger experience. @ a house u can not have super loud music, your fav. dj, lights, etc.. so i do think drugs and edm go hand in hand.. i would be willing to bet maybe 20 or 30% of club goers do drugs.

u got to be joking make that 90% ur lucky to find many people in a club that arent on drugs

The scene is a mixture of music lovers & drug lovers. Personally, I found the scene thru drugs. Don't get me wrong, I always loved electronic music since I first heard the KLF etc... but it was b/c of the drugs that I got into the scene. I didn't have a fake ID in college, and raves were the best option since philly clubs are 21+.

However, I'm past the drug stage now, and I go solely for the music. I have blacked out on many great sets in my day, and sometimes it makes me sick to walk into a club w/ 1/2 of the crowd unable to stand w/ their eyes rolled back, but I was there once, and maybe when those people outgrow the drugs, maybe they will still love the music too.

I am so much happier now that I remeber sets. I was kinda pissed when ephedra got banned b/c that would help me get through the night, but whatever. But bottom line for me, if it wasn't for the drugs, I would never have found the music that means so much in my life.

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Originally posted by Purple -1

you're a complete & Utter ****. People who aren't sheep make choices, they do things because they want to, and don't do things because they want to also, anyone who does or listens to anything because others do is purely a drain.

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Originally posted by Ian you're a complete & Utter ****. People who aren't sheep make choices, they do things because they want to, and don't do things because they want to also, anyone who does or listens to anything because others do is purely a drain.

So what you're saying is that people who believe misconceptions about drugs and don't do them because of that are drains?

I do like this logic, however, because this is to assume that everyone who believes in religion is a drain.

i dont even go to the shows.
in part because they dont hit up my neck of the woods often in north FL.
anywhoo i dont do drugs.
but i am an alcoholic by consumption, not dependence.
in summary, ilove trance and dont do drugs = misconception.

E enhanced the music but allows you to keep those feelings even when you are sober.
for me it was about the EDM scene first. I got into the scene from the Euro Dance days and progressed into Trance.
You can have fun either way.

Why always associate EDM with drugs when you know the hoards of people stepping into the Royal Opera House to hear Opus. 53 are obviously chasing the tail.

no drug for me... i like to fully concetrate on the music when im going to a party or club.

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Originally posted by Mindphaser no drug for me... i like to fully concetrate on the music when im going to a party or club.

there are drugs that let you concentrate on the music like you've never imagined

Never did any drugs at a party because I don't want to go through the possible riscs of doing it. Even alcohol is something that I don't use when visiting Ti�sto or Armin or... Just water or something with sugar in it because I want to be fully aware of everything that happens and that easily for the whole length of the gig. Yes, my feet and back hurt like hell after dancing for 8 hours straight but then I know that it was all worth it... Shouldn't want to spoil a party for myself that I looked forward to for like 3 months just because I wanted a little experiment.

Outside this activities. That's a whole other story...

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Originally posted by Aquarian I'd do drugs for the sake of experimenting, and I love EDM. Never done them together though. It's just a stereotype. If all people who listen to edm go to raves and do drugs, then all people who listen to country are white trash and people who listen to rap are violent criminals.

I, for one, do not take any drugs and go to every event purely for the music.

That being said, I do not judge the people who feel like their night is chemically enhanced. Whether or not you feel it is necessary is a personal choice. Other people might be different. I think for some people drugs become a problem, and at an event, when the drugged out zombie keeps falling into you, or stepping on your feet, it becomes more than just their personal reasons.

That being said, I think Aquarian brings up a good point with the stereotypes. Growing up in California, the new age hippy PC bullshit has us brainwashed into a negative association with the word "stereotype". But here's the thing. Stereotypes hurt people's feelings because they are grown in truth. A stereotype that doesn't remind people of related experiences they've had do not spread.

Rap does have an association to violence, country does have an association to white trash, and EDM does have an association to drugs. The difference is that these are not cause and effect. Rap music does not MAKE people kill other people, etc. etc. But if you go into statistics, the association is there.

There are some aspects that work against EDM:

• Media enjoys covering drug mis-use as opposed to normal use.
  
• People who go bonkers over issues of morality would would flip if schools quoted realistic drug danger facts. Instead they are taught as super dangerous. This isn't a really bad thing, but it does cause people to go out of there way to try to dig up the worst of drug culture which will then get the spotlight.
  
• American media, including Hollywood and TV shows, do not show EDM music to the public in a serious way. The absolute unfortunate thing here is that there are people who hear about Trance or Techno for the first time when somebody is mentioning drugs. When the only time you hear about something, it is linked with drugs, it'd be hard to not buy into the stereotype.
  

UGH

Here we go again

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Originally posted by sleepydragon u got to be joking make that 90% ur lucky to find many people in a club that arent on drugs

bro not even half of the club is on drugs... dont be naive.

Another dumb stereotype.

Stereotypes = bad. I am sure not all rappers do weed. Even more sure most people who listen to EDM are not drug addicts, or e-tards. Can't stand those e-tards.

My favorite sterotype was when Barbara Walters did her special about drugs and 'raves'. WAHAHAAA. Was hilarious, especially the part that had the Nazi flag in the background. It was flippin great. I am sure all would appreciate the gulf-war style footage about the people doing drugs, I think it was actually back when Glow was big. Heh. Funny stuff.

Personally I feel that drugs are foolishness.

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Originally posted by UWM I go to enjoy the music, and substances enhance the experience.

fucking spot on.

I've been listening to trance music since I was 12 years old. I first took ecstasy at the age of 17. It never even OCCURED to me to mix the two until high school when someone introduced me to the drug. I love trance, house, dnb, breakbeat, rap, everything. Some people who go to the clubs just to get fucked up, you can tell who they are. It's not hard.

Trance was invented to enhance the experience of a drug trip.

Both are inseperable from each other. Without drugs trance is incomplete, and without Trance drug trip is incomplete.

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Originally posted by Purple Trance was invented to enhance the experience of a drug trip. Both are inseperable from each other. Without drugs trance is incomplete, and without Trance drug trip is incomplete.

you're talking codshit. It is perfectly possible to have a complete trance experience without the use of drugs. If you can't accept that some people don't need to take anything to get their full enjoyment, you know where the razors are kept, use them.

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Originally posted by Ian you're talking codshit. It is perfectly possible to have a complete trance experience without the use of drugs. If you can't accept that some people don't need to take anything to get their full enjoyment, you know where the razors are kept, use them.

+1, coming from a drug user.

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Originally posted by Purple Trance was invented to enhance the experience of a drug trip. Both are inseperable from each other. Without drugs trance is incomplete, and without Trance drug trip is incomplete.

-1

Why would I want to enhance the feeling trance gives me? If there's a good set I'll be totally flying anyway, I don't need drugs.

Surely you can say that using *insert drug name here* "enhances" ANY experience - but in the long run, I'd rather like something for what it is instead of how I felt it was when I was on drugs.

If your love of trance music is from the heart, then you don't need or want anything else.

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Originally posted by SW20 If your love of trance music is from the heart, then you don't need or want anything else.

Now that right there is just plain sad.

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Originally posted by UWM Now that right there is just plain sad.

are there any threads you participate in where you aren't being a condescending prick and have something to contribute?

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Originally posted by spc are there any threads you participate in where you aren't being a condescending prick and have something to contribute?

birthday threads hes nice.

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