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Didn't we beat gay marriage to death a few months ago? Right now all we're doing is repeating ourselves on said topic?

why don't we all just vote NDP...

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Originally posted by EvilTree Didn't we beat gay marriage to death a few months ago? Right now all we're doing is repeating ourselves on said topic?

yes...I promise to refrain from further debating its merits


what matters now is how the new laws will be impacted if the Conservatives come to power.

many experts argue that the notwithstanding clause can't even be used...and if it can, it will (IMHO) be the downfall of their administration.

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Originally posted by Adamo why don't we all just vote NDP...

i would except i feel like the liberals need every vote they can get to defeat the ultra-conservative psycho harper so i will end up voting liberal just like last election.

Stephen Harper will never be Prime Minister because he is required to speak.. and we all know everytime he does he sticks his foot further down is throat.

This is fine with me.. means less work for the rest of us to be sure he does not get elected..

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Originally posted by MarkT With those two positions, what is going to stick in the minds of voters? Martin is giving numbers, and more importantly, reinforcing positives...Harper is not being positive, he's essentially talking about taking away rights that have been confirmed by the previous gov't. Most people, even the majority, don't really respond well to that mode of thinking. If he keeps this up, i think he's making a terrible mistake (again).

What you're saying is true, but did you read or listen to his campaign speech? He did not mention the gay marriage issue ONE single time, he spent most of it talking about the reforms he's planning to make in terms of government accountability, party donations, elected senators, etc. And brought up a bunch of other "feel good" issues like health care, the Softwood lumber thing, taxes, national defense, whatever.

Honestly it wasn't that great a speech IMO, he's promising far too many conflicting things for me to take some of it seriously, but I think the media bias is abundantly clear here when they claim he "launched his campaign with" this gay marriage business when he never even mentioned it once. Obviously the reporter who wrote that article asked him one question after his speech and wrote the entire article (I should say editorial, because that's what it really is) based on that one trivial issue. There's no mention in that article of anything Harper actually said in his speech!

I actually wasn't even aware of this until I watched the speech - I actually believed that he did start campaigning on the gay marriage issue. And if I believed it, even for a minute, I'm sure millions of other Canadians will believe it as well. It's a serious problem when campaign news gets filtered through such an obvious media bias.

But like I said before, the mass media can't help what it is, they're mostly not even aware of it. Harper really needs to get out there and deliver his message directly to the skeptics, not just to the people who already support his party and not filtered through any 3rd party.

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Originally posted by She_Fitz Stephen Harper will never be Prime Minister because he is required to speak.. and we all know everytime he does he sticks his foot further down is throat. This is fine with me.. means less work for the rest of us to be sure he does not get elected..

care to elaborate?

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Originally posted by DigiNut What you're saying is true, but did you Obviously the reporter who wrote that article asked him one question after his speech and wrote the entire article (I should say editorial, because that's what it really is) based on that one trivial issue. There's no mention in that article of anything Harper actually said in his speech!

THE PRODUCT OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS RIGHT....


SAY ONE THING TO THE FACE YET MEAN ANOTHER...


Feels to me like someone smiling saying "Oh Hi Sean Cassidy" to my face and then when I walk away......sneering "that F@ggot"

sexualism , racism, discrimination = WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!


PERIOD END OF STORY - SPEECH OR NO SPEECH - implied mal-intent and posturing against gays last time around - Harper will never be entrusted with my vote (this politcal party does not support my lifestyle - THIS DIRECTLY AFFECTS ME - THE WHOLE REASON WHY I VOTE IN THE FIRST PLACE!!)

I vote for me and only me and what I believe is good for the greater of society - I have no future offspring to worry for - for if I did my view might change - but until that happens - I make decisions for me - ME. And with more ignorance displayed to and the demeaning of my lifestyle - I am beginning to become less complacent with allowing those in power making certain decisions over me.

I do not allow those in my personal life to do so (try my best at least) - I would love to extend that to every area - even my political party's platform and agenda on the issue.

I have voted in every parlimentary process required of me since 1990 - and take my vote seriously - always will.

You cannot effectively complain about something if you do not make a concerted effort to effect change.

I hope more young people will vote - we need strong voices for change and for what reflects our reality today for tomorrow - not an aging baby boomers - who's next 2 decades will be strife with healthcare issues and old age security issues and the laws and schemes that will fatten their wallets so they can retire "in the HIGH LIFE" while things lay in decay in the aftermath of gluttony.

Again - the old adage - what do I have to live for - I am not around much longer anyways.....DANGEROUS!

THERE IS NOTHING MORE DANGEROUS THAN A MAN WITH NOTHING TO LOSE NOTHING TO LIVE FOR AND NOTHING TO PROVE...

Social responsibilities again - where in the fuck are they?? - and why are the not at the forefront of this society - as they should be - in terms of plain and simple defintion??


as we have learnt (still learning) what is happening behind the scenes is almost more important than what we see daily (or are allowed to see).


sidenote:


Shadowolf's - extremely offensive posts - a big

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Originally posted by She_Fitz Stephen Harper will never be Prime Minister because he is required to speak.. and we all know everytime he does he sticks his foot further down is throat. This is fine with me.. means less work for the rest of us to be sure he does not get elected..

lol where does this preconception come from that hes a bad speaker? He handles himself very well. He doesn't stick his foot in his mouth(not usually) its the media that you all pay so much attention to...headline readers. Like how he started off his election on gay marriage, which im guessing to you is "sticking his foot down his throat"? When he actually said almost nothing about it, just repeated his position that hes been stating for months.

keep reading those star headlines.

I'm voting for Belinda Stronach... plain and simple, no better choice in my region. No matter which party she's with, like it or not.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I'm voting for Belinda Stronach... plain and simple, no better choice in my region. No matter which party she's with, like it or not.

hahahahaha
so you voted for her as conservative? now your voting for her as a liberal? and this is just because shes belinda stronach? a rookie mp who is still learning politics, defected from her party and has really only gotten to where she is based on daddy. she does have some typical liberal qualities though, dishonnest/can't be trusted...seems to be the norm and everyone loves it.

explain how belinda is the best choice "no matter which party shes with"? That really is an uneducated statement.

^I'll be monitoring that riding closely, to see whether there is political integrity left in Canada or not.

Sorry, I saw it and felt compelled to post it....

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I'm voting for Belinda Stronach... plain and simple, no better choice in my region. No matter which party she's with, like it or not.

Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. I held my nose and voted for her last time because i wanted the conservatives in power. Then she double crossed me and everyone in this riding by putting her own ambitions ahead of her constituents. At the very least she could have sat as an independent if not call a by-election.

I said it in the last election when she was a conservative and ill say it again. Shes a dumb twit that cant answer any question that she hasnt been coached on. Just watch the upcoming local debates if you want to see what im talking about.

Thank god belinda is not a conservative because now i can vote without feeling guilty.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard. I held my nose and voted for her last time because i wanted the conservatives in power. Then she double crossed me and everyone in this riding by putting her own ambitions ahead of her constituents. At the very least she could have sat as an independent if not call a by-election. I said it in the last election when she was a conservative and ill say it again. Shes a dumb twit that cant answer any question that she hasnt been coached on. Just watch the upcoming local debates if you want to see what im talking about. Thank god belinda is not a conservative because now i can vote without feeling guilty.

Did you hear that the Conservative Party has deemed that riding to be unwinnable and therefore have decided not to invest any party money there? I couldn't believe it when I heard it. I thought that would be a close race.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Did you hear that the Conservative Party has deemed that riding to be unwinnable and therefore have decided not to invest any party money there? I couldn't believe it when I heard it. I thought that would be a close race.

If it's true, then it's a rather silly thing to do. If Conservatives want to play the integrity card, here would be the best place to do it.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Did you hear that the Conservative Party has deemed that riding to be unwinnable and therefore have decided not to invest any party money there? I couldn't believe it when I heard it. I thought that would be a close race.

Sadly people in Ontario, more specifically it seems Aurora-Newmarket, ARE THAT STUPID.

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Sadly people in Ontario, more specifically it seems Aurora-Newmarket, ARE THAT STUPID.

hopefully not, most people around here are pretty pissed at what she did, so she may loose yet...its pretty funny cause she has almost no political knowledge of pretty much anything... i saw her sun morning on tv, some question period, and he just keeps spewing the same answers over and over again that it gets so confusing and you dont even know what shes talking about. She never talks about anything specific, just in generalities and that the liberals are investing back into canadians haha. It seems shes on a tight leash about whats shes allowed to talk about in detail.

and i can't believe that this is not winable by the conservatives, they won last time, and after what she pulled and what the liberals have doen??? u guys really think that its unwinable?

I see people are scared of her. And you're dead wrong. I did not vote conservative.

I always voted for the best person in my riding, and never cared which political party the person I vote for represents. I vote for the person who will speak out on my behalf, who wants to make a change and do something for the region I live in. I didn't vote for her a year and a half ago, because she was new to the scene and inexperienced.

I'd never vote for a backbencher who sits on his ass, because he's a member of an admirable party.

Harper didn't give a rat's ass about her opinions and her ambitions, so it's her old party's fault she left, not hers.

You vote for party? You take that risk of party migration. You vote for a candidate, that person will still work for you. That is why it's the name that's in big bold letters on the ballot, and not the party.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I see people are scared of her. And you're dead wrong. I did not vote conservative. I always voted for the best person in my riding, and never cared which political party the person I vote for represents. I vote for the person who will speak out on my behalf, who wants to make a change and do something for the region I live in. I didn't vote for her a year and a half ago, because she was new to the scene and inexperienced. I'd never vote for a backbencher who sits on his ass, because he's a member of an admirable party. Harper didn't give a rat's ass about her opinions and her ambitions, so it's her old party's fault she left, not hers. You vote for party? You take that risk of party migration. You vote for a candidate, that person will still work for you.

well if you do some research and actually watch her debate you will realize quickly that she is far from the best candidate to do the job.

And make no mistake, she left because she was offered a cabinet position in a sitting government. If she really would have left on voter's behalves it would have been as an idependent or in a by-election. Not to a newly created cabinet post just for her. She manipulated the liberals and the voters by exchanging her affiliation and saving the government from defeat for favours and power.

If you believe otherwise i have prime swampland in florida for you to buy.

Matter of opinion of course... we're all entitled to it. Isn't this country great!

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Originally posted by Abercrombie I always voted for the best person in my riding, and never cared which political party the person I vote for represents. I vote for the person who will speak out on my behalf, who wants to make a change and do something for the region I live in. I didn't vote for her a year and a half ago, because she was new to the scene and inexperienced. You vote for party? You take that risk of party migration. You vote for a candidate, that person will still work for you. That is why it's the name that's in big bold letters on the ballot, and not the party.

well like jayx1 said, she is far from the best in this riding. You're voting for her because she is speaking out on your's and the regions behalf, but what has she spoken out about, what is she planning on changing here? I'm asking because i dont know, but you seem to have already made your mind up so she must have some plans that im not aware of.

You didnt' vote for her last year cause she was inexperienced, i'll let you in on a little secret....shes still is, she has no idea how to debate or even answer most basic questions about her party. It sounds like shes trying harder to not screw up than say anything important.

and i do vote for the party, because i really can't remember the last time a federal mp made a difference or changed something in this riding. In federal election, i vote based on federal issues, provincial i vote based on provincial issues, not for what they are going to do in the region. I can't believe you're blind enough to think stronach is doing all this for you and your region, its blatently obvious shes got herself in mind only.

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Originally posted by naesean3

Dude, seriously, what are you on about? You missed the point completely. Harper didn't even talk about the gay marriage issue in his speech. THIS LIBERAL DOUCHEBAG WROTE HIS ENTIRE ARTICLE ABOUT SOMETHING HARPER NEVER EVEN MENTIONED.

Can you leave your personal emotions out of this for half a second and look at what's ACTUALLY happening?

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Originally posted by Wyndham and i do vote for the party, because i really can't remember the last time a federal mp made a difference or changed something in this riding. In federal election, i vote based on federal issues, provincial i vote based on provincial issues, not for what they are going to do in the region. I can't believe you're blind enough to think stronach is doing all this for you and your region, its blatently obvious shes got herself in mind only.

Many people only vote for the MP they want to represent them....and personally I see no problem with that way of thinking. Myself, I will vote for the party who I feel will better serve my needs as a middle to upper middle class white male.

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