Is the end of Political Correctness near?

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Posted by Moral Hazard on Dec-01-2005 16:16:

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Originally posted by Skipper
1991? That was 14 years ago.
Between 1981 and 1991 there was a 7.5% decrease in the Christian population.
I would expect that rate of decrease to be even higher between 1991 and today.

sorry, closest figures I could find..... the last census was 2001 (I would suspect they are not done compliling the results of it yet). Regardless, there is little chance that it droped from 84% to less then 50% in 14 years.

Posted by mushyflowa on Dec-01-2005 16:16:

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Originally posted by Matt
It's all about Snowflake Day.

but seriously... there's more important things during the holidays than getting worked up over how stores are trying to advertise to everybody.

+1

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Originally posted by nadezhda
ditto. i am so sick of people tiptoeing around everyone else, trying not to say something that someone might find offensive.

welcome!!!..
so many wussies.. i hardly find someone straight out.. most of the people just keep on suckin' toes..
a shame..

Posted by girllovingtvibe on Dec-01-2005 16:19:

because one can never keep up to being politically correct - I will stick to be unpolitically incorrect

Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-01-2005 16:20:

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Originally posted by girllovingtvibe
because one can never keep up to being politcally correct - I will stick to be unpolitically incorrect

+1 LOL

Posted by Moral Hazard on Dec-01-2005 16:21:

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Originally posted by Jayx1
If you are denying that canada is still a primarily christian country then you have your head in the sand.

Even still, we were founded with these traditions and it's highly offensive that some people think that just because they show up one day we have to cater to their every whim. If you dont like our traditions then dont come here.

Notwithstanding your antecdote regarding the oath to the Queen, by and large it is not immigrants or even the non-christian population that are precipitating the protest against Christian symbolism or tradition present in the state. This is largely being done by groups comprised mainly of Christian or formerly Christian middle class citizens that are fearful that we may offend people through these traditions and symbols. Please do not blame the immigrant population, they are not responsible for this.

Posted by girllovingtvibe on Dec-01-2005 16:24:

Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-01-2005 16:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Moral Hazard
Notwithstanding your antecdote regarding the oath to the Queen, by and large it is not immigrants or even the non-christian population that are precipitating the protest against Christian symbolism or tradition present in the state. This is largely being done by groups comprised mainly of Christian or formerly Christian middle class citizens that are fearful that we may offend people through these traditions and symbols. Please do not blame the immigrant population, they are not responsible for this.

I see a small segment of them as being responsible for starting the tide. I have seen it personally. Ive watched people bitch about christmas and how it offends them. Those people are largely silent these days because they have gotten their way but i rememeber when this all started 15 years ago how up in arms they were. It's nice to see the trend starting to reverse but make no mistake that once the "offended" start to realize they will be back out in full force. I suspect this time though they wont get as much sympathy from the silent majority.

Posted by mushyflowa on Dec-01-2005 16:29:

quote:
Originally posted by girllovingtvibe
because one can never keep up to being politically correct - I will stick to be unpolitically incorrect

+1

TO ME.. TO ME..
xmas is a waste of money.. damn trees and damn presents.. is all about being in family..

and damn stupid xmas tree took my fishtank's place.. damn it damn it..

Posted by Moral Hazard on Dec-01-2005 16:29:

BTW, just to add fuel to the fire in the argument as to whether or not Canada is a Christian country, I submit for your review the preamble to the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (1982)

quote:
Whereas Canada is founded upon the principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law:

I will also point out that in the first draft God was not included, however, most of the provinces would not ratify it without the inclusion of God in the constitution.

Posted by girllovingtvibe on Dec-01-2005 16:29:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
I see a small segment of them as being responsible for starting the tide. I have seen it personally. Ive watched people bitch about christmas and how it offends them. Those people are largely silent these days because they have gotten their way but i rememeber when this all started 15 years ago how up in arms they were. It's nice to see the trend starting to reverse but make no mistake that once the "offended" start to realize they will be back out in full force. I suspect this time though they wont get as much sympathy from the silent majority.

I have personally never witnessed anyone I know (or overheard) bitch about the Christmas issue. If anything most people (of all races and religious backgrounds) are quite accomodating to my beliefs....

Posted by girllovingtvibe on Dec-01-2005 16:30:

quote:
Originally posted by mushyflowa
+1

TO ME.. TO ME..
xmas is a waste of money.. damn trees and damn presents.. is all about being in family..

and damn stupid xmas tree took my fishtank's place.. damn it damn it..

and I for one can't wait to see my family

Posted by mushyflowa on Dec-01-2005 16:37:

quote:
Originally posted by girllovingtvibe
and I for one can't wait to see my family

nice meeting you this past weekend :P

Posted by Skipper on Dec-01-2005 18:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
If you are denying that canada is still a primarily christian country then you have your head in the sand.

Excuse me but that is OUR tradition and YOU CHOSE to come here. Part of coming here is abiding by our tradition. Same goes for christmas.

I'm not denying we're a primarily Christian country...but those numbers are showing that the Christian population is declining significantly. Immigrants make up a very important part of this country and just because they are a minority doesn't mean that they shouldn't be taken into consideration.

Considering you support the conservative agenda, I thought you would understand what it's like to be a minority

However, I have to disagree on your last point. Coming to this country does not mean people must abide by Christian holidays and practices! This isn't communist russia.

With respect to corporate christmas campaigns, I see nothing wrong with tailoring the political correctiveness to suit the area. Ie "holiday" lingo used in Toronto, Christmas used in more Christian areas.

Posted by Moral Hazard on Dec-01-2005 18:16:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
However, I have to disagree on your last point. Coming to this country does not mean people must abide by Christian holidays and practices! This isn't communist russia.

With respect to corporate christmas campaigns, I see nothing wrong with tailoring the political correctiveness to suit the area. Ie "holiday" lingo used in Toronto, Christmas used in more Christian areas.

Point of order..... communist russia was officially athiest.

I think that people, like yourself, whom beleive the term Christmas may be offensive fail to recognize that Christmas is very much a secular holiday as well as a religious one. Much as marriage is an institution of religion and the state so is Christmas (in as much as it is a statutory holiday). The non-christian celebrate the secular holiday of Christmas. Really, is anyone offended by the term Christmas or are you simply concerned that someone somewhere someday may be upset?

Posted by Skipper on Dec-01-2005 18:27:

I don't think the term Christmas is OFFENSIVE to anyone.

I just think there is nothing wrong with, in a city such as Toronto which is so multicultural, keeping things more neutral.

Posted by Matt on Dec-01-2005 18:28:

"Come to Zellers for all your Holiday needs: from gifts to decorations to warm boots for the walk to the polls on election day!"

I think December has just become less defined by religion, and more about being with family, exchanges gifts, and having a nice dinner - however your family might do it. A time off in early Winter, as opposed to a religious event. I enjoy celebrating the Holidays... not Christmas.

I especially like the "Brainwashing tomorrow's youth" stuff... everything is social engineering eh Jay? Just think how messed up the children will be from years of Happy Holidays! instead of Merry Christmas!

Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-01-2005 19:38:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
I don't think the term Christmas is OFFENSIVE to anyone.

I just think there is nothing wrong with, in a city such as Toronto which is so multicultural, keeping things more neutral.

If they want to keep things "neutral" then they shouldnt have anything at all.

How bland that would be!

No no how bout instead of making everything bland, we celebrate what TRUE multiculturalism is supposed to be. A celebration of ALL cultures. Not the canadian version which is to pretend that no culture exists in order not to offend anyone.

Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-01-2005 19:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Matt
"Come to Zellers for all your Holiday needs: from gifts to decorations to warm boots for the walk to the polls on election day!"

I think December has just become less defined by religion, and more about being with family, exchanges gifts, and having a nice dinner - however your family might do it. A time off in early Winter, as opposed to a religious event. I enjoy celebrating the Holidays... not Christmas.

I especially like the "Brainwashing tomorrow's youth" stuff... everything is social engineering eh Jay? Just think how messed up the children will be from years of Happy Holidays! instead of Merry Christmas!

Its obviously working since most people here are probably unaware of what its like to truely celebrate christmas at school or have store staff wish them a merry christmas.

Posted by Skipper on Dec-01-2005 20:19:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1

No no how bout instead of making everything bland, we celebrate what TRUE multiculturalism is supposed to be. A celebration of ALL cultures.

I agree.

Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-01-2005 20:24:

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Originally posted by Skipper
I agree.

well the advocate that stores mention christmas and that governments allow menorahs and christmas trees. Not that we call everything "happy holidays"

Posted by Skipper on Dec-01-2005 20:28:

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Originally posted by Jayx1
well the advocate that stores mention christmas and that governments allow menorahs and christmas trees. Not that we call everything "happy holidays"

I think more importantly, we should be fair. So until everyone starts celebrating Hunnakah and Rosh Hashana (sp) why should we all be creating a big hooplah over Christmas.

Posted by Jayx1 on Dec-01-2005 20:31:

quote:
Originally posted by Skipper
I think more importantly, we should be fair. So until everyone starts celebrating Hunnakah and Rosh Hashana (sp) why should we all be creating a big hooplah over Christmas.

Because christmas is the majority and is a founding tradition in our country. Thats why.

If people who came here werent prepared to accept that. They shouldnt have come here.

Posted by girllovingtvibe on Dec-01-2005 20:31:

quote:
Originally posted by mushyflowa

nice meeting you this past weekend :P

ditto

Posted by Tygon on Dec-01-2005 20:52:

Not related to Christmas... but shows you how far politially correctiveness is EASILY overshadowed by good humour...

http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1133...ar_Black_People

I remember when just saying the word "black" would cause riots and gang wars... or saying "policeman" would cause a chain reaction of bra burning in the streets... and don't get me started on Christmas...

*sigh* Seems relief is here at last!

Now bitch.. make me some PIE!!!

lol

Posted by LKD on Dec-02-2005 03:52:

If u go to a muslim country, the Muslim religious dates are significatn...go to a country such as India, all major religions (ie Muslim, Hindu, christian) are significant and accepted by all.

the point of this thread is not to favour one religion over another but rather to respect and celebrate the major religion's days of observation by leaving them as what they should be called.

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