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Everyone who has been clubbing/listening to trance for the past year or two will agree with this thread.

Everyone who has been clubbing/listening to trance for the past six years or more will not.


With minute exceptions being non-factors, of course. Every generation pretends their first exposure to something was the best that something has ever been.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Everyone who has been clubbing/listening to trance for the past year or two will agree with this thread. Everyone who has been clubbing/listening to trance for the past six years or more will not. With minute exceptions being non-factors, of course. Every generation pretends their first exposure to something was the best that something has ever been.

I completely agree with you.

But still. Comparing the Trance scene in Miami { which was almost NOTHING at all } to the fact that we are getting ALL this talent could be proving something for 2006 *hopefully*

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Originally posted by Ishkur Everyone who has been clubbing/listening to trance for the past year or two will agree with this thread. Everyone who has been clubbing/listening to trance for the past six years or more will not. With minute exceptions being non-factors, of course. Every generation pretends their first exposure to something was the best that something has ever been.

I get what u're saying Ish.. I've been in the scene since like... 96. I think there will never be another 99-2000.. but this year was a pretty good year for Trance..when compared to the last 4. I think it's also made huuuuge ground... commercially... good or bad.. whatever the case. It's grabbed the attention of many new fans.

2005 has quite easily been the shittest year trance has ever experienced (out of the years I have been following it). Anyone who disagrees has obviously only been listening to it for about a year. Like Melly Mel.

2005 = Shit

1999 can never be replaced and dont fucking try is what i say

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Originally posted by Ishkur Everyone who has been clubbing/listening to trance for the past year or two will agree with this thread. Everyone who has been clubbing/listening to trance for the past six years or more will not. With minute exceptions being non-factors, of course. Every generation pretends their first exposure to something was the best that something has ever been.

for once you don't talk codshit

The problem is that many of these people like the thread starter are new to the genre and don't have the knowledge of all the previous years. This alone is not their fault, however a lot of the sounds coming out now are complete & utter pisspoor. Culprits include Andy Moor & Adam White, Matt Darey's newer stuff, Markus Schulz & The bandwagon of gdjb/asot producers and is also due to the internet radio stations overpolluting a poor genre with copycats and anyone who can simply beatmatch (and a lot who can't)

Of course not every track has been bad but since 2003 the % of good songs has gone down from about 70 % of stuff (1990-2002) being listenable and/or quality compared to about 10% maximum in 2005 (prob going down by 10% each year from 2003 onwards.

Will things recover? I honestly don't know. What else has gone wrong?

Tech-Trance. the tech-trance of today is just the hard-trance of yesterday, when after 2002 hard-trance became an uncool term, 'tech-trance' appeared from these artists, whereas the real tech-trance (Marco V & Oliver Lieb being prime examples) where there was more techno than trance involved has dwindled. Just adding a snare (fred baker/dimitri andreas) doesn't make it tech-trance.

"Mc-Prog/American Trance" poor watered down pish with absolutely no energy. Trance has always had a degree of energy to it but the amount of productions that have absolutely none is high nowadays.

What can we do about it? Nothing. Simply because these new listeners believe they're the best around & that just because they like these new sounds that everything is good. It isn't. They need to explore the history of the genre more, open their minds & see what made everyone like the genres years ago. A fair few people do this, and I respect that, but anyone who thinks the newer stuff is better than the older is just ignorant.

What else is wrong? Rankings. DJ mag top 100 for example. If anyone thinks pvd & tiesto are the best 2 dj's in the world then they need their heads examined. If anyone thinks that some of these people with radio shows (menno de jong, manuel le saux, markus schulz, aly & fila etc) are better than some of the people from lesser known or liked genres (drum & Bass, hardcore, techno etc) then they need commiting. the whole point is that everyone takes things far too seriously now, it's all about rankings or classification & it means that the music, which was always the main focus takes a backseat. This is where it's all gone wrong.

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Originally posted by miamitranceman Agreed...def. some good prog trance out this year.

I agree too.. And I can't stand why great tracks like Pinkbox Special - The French Don't Cry doesn't have a 12" release and shitty tracks (played by Armin for example) have.

2005 has been shit in trance. Only few good tracks released and others are shit. Everybody using above&beyond bassdrums and basslines over and over again. In 99 there were much more different sounding tracks, today almost every track sounds the same.

2005 has been pretty good, not very good but still not bad, and I've liked some tunes really much.

Trance is still stuck in a major rut, perhaps worse than ever. But there is hope for the future - Orkidea - Beautiful (Marc Mitchell Remix) is quite possibly my favourite track this year. Keep an eye (and an ear) on those Fins!

Shit year.
I can't think more than 10 trance tracks that i liked from this year.

Just listen to asot.Every week the episode sounds the same

Shit year for sure.

Good trance tracks seem to be few and far between. There is still quality there, but it is increasingly difficult to find.

I have found myself turning to techno and house because the quality and consistency in trance simply isnt there.

I have really enjoyed trance in 2005, I wasn't around for Jan-May but after that there have been some fantastic productions, I have been listening to trance since 1998 and have been clubbing since 2002 and this year the music in some trance clubs has been top notch. Had some awesome and euphoric nights and listening to new productions at home is still giving me the pleasure that it always has. I don't really know where to rate 2005 compared to the last 7 years or so but it would definately be above average!

I wouldn't say 2005 has been as good as 99.
But I would say that it has been getting steadily better since the low point in 2003.

Due to the last 2/3 years being absolutely dogshit, and also due to my taste in music changing, i've completely stopped listening to new trance for the past year, or even given it a chance. Therefore i have no clue on whether it's been a good year. Out of curiosity, could those people who are saying it's been great list a couple of tracks that they believe are really that good?

progressive has been stronger than trance this year, from what i've listened

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Originally posted by Matt I'm a 2002-03 kinda guy.

+1

95 > 05


actually

85 > 05 lol

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit 95 > 05 actually 85 > 05 lol

why stop there, 25>05, 1745>05

seriously though, you cant touch 99.

i believe there is a divider line

on one side there are old school trance fans who started listening mid to late 90s and are true to that sound and think that this new trance/prog sound (read: zocalo) is crap

these people believe 1999 was the best
I agree

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on the other, there are trance fans who started listening around 2003 when 'as the rush comes' came out, and love that new crapola ("NU Trance/prog" as I like to call it) sound...

these people believe 2005 was the best
I disagree

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Originally posted by Azz3D i believe there is a divider line on one side there are old school trance fans who started listening mid to late 90s and are true to that sound and think that this new trance/prog sound (read: zocalo) is crap these people believe 1999 was the best I agree --- on the other, there are trance fans who started listening around 2003 when 'as the rush comes' came out, and love that new crapola ("NU Trance/prog" as I like to call it) sound... these people believe 2005 was the best I disagree

umm... i started listening to trance in the late 90's yet i like the 2003 sound just as much as the 90's sound if not more. stop thinking of theories because its just personal preference.

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Originally posted by msz umm... i started listening to trance in the late 90's yet i like the 2003 sound just as much as the 90's sound if not more. stop thinking of theories because its just personal preference.

ok then you're a very rare hybrid
and yes, while it is my personal preference, I've read what the newcomers to the scene say vs what old farts say countless times and I've based my hypothesis on that

now I will write a 5 page essay complete with bibliographies and footnotes

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Originally posted by msz umm... i started listening to trance in the late 90's yet i like the 2003 sound just as much as the 90's sound if not more. stop thinking of theories because its just personal preference.

what was ur first trance track u heard?

Id give it a C- on a A-F scale. Just below average. Comparing years is retarded in my opinion because your tastes change every year and what you liked before isnt necessarily what you would like now if you heard it for the first time.

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Originally posted by Ishkur Everyone who has been clubbing/listening to trance for the past year or two will agree with this thread. Everyone who has been clubbing/listening to trance for the past six years or more will not. With minute exceptions being non-factors, of course. Every generation pretends their first exposure to something was the best that something has ever been.

Yes. That's why, for me:

Oakey's Essential Mix World Tour 99 >> Ti�sto In Concert all through 2005

2005 has been pretty awful for trance. It's been all about minimal techno...

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