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Posted by Ripped Bag on Dec-24-2005 19:08:

So you're thinking you dreamed this world with pain, suffering, torment, and hideous atrocities to make things more interesting for yourself? Get over your existential bullshit.

Posted by Keo_Nade on Dec-24-2005 19:15:

Posted by Psy-T on Dec-24-2005 19:35:

quote:
Originally posted by Subey
I experience two distinct dream awareness states.

Lucid dreaming (where I am aware of incongruities and as a result I evaluate my state as "I must be dreaming" (roughly 5% of my dreams) and

standard dreaming (where I am not aware of incogruities and as a result would evaluate my state as "awake", where I just take everything at face value)

I am still dreaming regardless of the awareness.

on one hand you say dreams have incongruities you do not question by definition, on the other you say not all dreams are like that.

which is it?

Posted by Psy-T on Dec-24-2005 19:36:

quote:
Originally posted by Renegade
On the one hand you distinguish between "dreams" and "waking life" (which I would interpret to mean "consciousness") in your post, on the other had you suggest that we cannot distinguish between our "dreams" and "waking life". Which is it? If dreams and waking life are - for all intents and purposes - indistinguishable, then doesn't that render the question of whether or not we're actually dreaming right now completely meaningless, seeing as they amount to the same thing? If they are distinguishable, then on what grounds could you possibly contend that the illusion of "waking life" is actually a "dream"? Wouldn't there be some incongruities between the two that would allow us to discern which it is that we're actually experiencing? If we're only experiencing a dream right now, then what differences are there between our "dreaming world" and the "real world"? What can the "real world" possibly refer to, other than the world in which we currently find ourselves engaged?

"We have abolished the real world: what world is left? The apparent world perhaps? ... But no! With the real world we have also abolished the apparent world!" - Friedrich Neitzsche, Twilight of the Idols.

damn, beat me to the punch, but probably also wrote it better than i would have

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